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User728 posted...

This episode had some problems just like most do...but it was fine. GoT fans are basically becoming insufferable and just looking for a reason to whine.

I whined non-stop about the white walker episode this season because it was so fucking bad, but people seem to be whining about this episode more despite it being superior in every way, and we could actually see what was happening on this one.

This is a pretty dumb PoV.

ShatteredElysium posted...

The Daenerys stuff is fine, the seeds have been there a long time and it's only them rushing this last season that makes it look rushed. When you take everything as a whole compared to her previous behavior, it makes sense.

It doesn't though. It's cherry picking bits of her previous behavior while ignoring the swaths of other things. I mean, Dany has been entitled, naive, and has thought she's invincible throughout the show. Most of her big displays of power throughout the show are based on those. We shouldn't believe she LIKES carnage. That was never a displayed character trait.

We know she took advantage of harsh punishments, but for the most part, the show framed them as being necessary. When she originally freed the Unsullied, that wasn't an act of madness, it was her making a reckless play because she believed she'd be fine.

Dany has often shown love of strangers and care for their safety beyond what is appropriate. Burning the city is out of character for her. Full stop. And it's tacking on a "mad" qualifier to her without earning it. Missandei's execution wasn't the lynchpin which made her go mad... she didn't make that decision until the city surrendered.

That's what we were given. Dany decided to kill millions of innocents because the city surrendered and she won.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

To finish on Jaime for tonight - even ignoring character and motivations, it sucks that he essentially resolved his attachment to his maddening sister through Brienne, then immediately went back on it and then went to Kings Landing with the sole purpose of dying. That was the entire function of him this episode - to die. That's why it fucking sucks. Could've had Jaime join Tormund beyond the wall and had no functional difference.

Like, when Tyrion told Jaime to have Cersei ring the bells and open the gates to surrender, that was such an obvious hint that Cersei would do it as a trap for Dany's army, letting them in to kill them with ambush or wildfire. That sort of trick would make sense to set up Dany to go wild, and would give Jaime purpose, as well as granting payoff for his developed empathy and the contrast to Cersei's lack of it.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Fire is the Lord of Light's thing, so it's thematically inconsistent for Arya to be opposed to Dany via Rl'lor. So that's probably what will happen anyway.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

No way
(edit: this was to Han)

As recently as Riverrun, Jaime was still head over heels for Cersei.

this doesn't make him shitty and irredeemable though

Jaime personally pushed a child out of a tower when he was discovered fucking his sister.

The fact that it's even debatable as to whether this guy can actually be redeemed is a testament to the strength of the storytelling of the series.

I had this typed up earlier but deleted it because I just wanted to go to bed, but that's the point of Jaime.

Him and Cersei start the same. They are spoiled and entitled. However, in both of their hardship, they go very different paths. Jaime learns empathy and respect for others. Cersei doubles down on her exceptionalism. This came to a head at the end of season 7, where Cersei outright rejected Jaime.

His development means nothing in his approach to Cersei. It's basically somebody starting band on the trumpet, putting in months of effort in getting good at clarinet, then just returning to the trumpet.

For people who don't see the bad writing in a lot of the show... look at it this way: GRRM stopped writing the books because he wrote himself into a knot. That's because the story was a weaving tapestry - things interweave and develop into further things.

In the latter half of the show, the threads that composed this beautiful interweaving tapestry either just end, loop around and sit as unimportant closed ideas, or appear while affecting nothing and then ending.

While Jaime returning to KL to save Cersei is not a bad thing for his character, doing it in a way that basically ignores all of his development is doing him dirty. If they wanted to have him acknowledge that he thinks he is shitty and irredeemable, they should've never had him sleep with Brienne and found a better turning point.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

No way
(edit: this was to Han)

As recently as Riverrun, Jaime was still head over heels for Cersei.

this doesn't make him shitty and irredeemable though
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

After thinking about it I am fine with Jaime's arc. Some people are just shitty and cant be redeemed no matter how much you want them to be. That is NOT at all how I wanted his story to end but it's fine. That's a valid lesson.

And I can see it going down for Book Jaime too. The show already trashed Jaime by taking so long for him to face turn, compared to the books that did it much earlier. But I can totally see GRRM making us feel sympathy and then STILL doing the heel turn reversion across two more god damn books too.

Rest in pieces Jaime Lannister, eternal dumpster fire of a human being.

That's the problem... Jaime isn't shitty and is redeemable. They've spent the entire show telling us that.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Dany's heel turn is 100% predicated on bullshit. It may allude to her actions in the past, but it is not a result of her character traits and development.

It'd be like the Hound choosing not to go fight his brother to go be a chicken farmer. If people were paying attention, they'd have seen that the Hound likes chicken! So it makes total sense for him to do that instead of trying to absolve all his angst towards his brother.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

It'd be the perfect way to sell millions of books tho.

"Hey, you guys didn't like the shit end to the show? Me neither! Buy my books to get a better ending!"
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ExThaNemesis posted...

It's been very rough since they ran out of source material. And fatass is to blame for that.

Apparently he has the last two books ready for publication already, at least according to Barristan Selmy's actor. And just waiting on the show to end to release WoW.

I've been very... accepting about the show for the past 3 seasons. Not forgiving, not defending, but accepting what it turned into. I'm weird for this, but Battle of the Bastards was the epitome of everything wrong with the show to me. Nothing truly developing, just a conflict that got created and resolved.

This episode was bad.

And I mean... it was VERY GOOD television... everyone involved with the show did their jobs phenomenally. Except the writers.

Daenerys actually going mad queen is hamfisted and lazy and a bastardization of 9 years of work. Same with Jaime.

At least Qyburn was good I guess?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Tess combos well with Shudderwock

https://imgur.com/a/We0uL5s
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I had the control paladin that just ran like Lightlord and Tirion
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Are you SND?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Maverick
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

##Vote: Sultan

He just claimed Scum
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Tess Rogue and Quest Pally are two of my favorite decks of all time.

I miss Galvadon.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

How many bugs in a box
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

red13n posted...

oh I only needed 300 but when I got to 500 it automatically proceeded for me...i wasnt done exploring.

Same :(
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

That would directly connect the MCU to 616... which I suppose it's about time.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Suprak the Stud posted...

The goal was to get one of your friends to look at your hand while making a circle with your thumb and pointer finger. It had to be held below your waist (so you couldn't just shove it in your friends face). If they looked you got a free hit in on their shoulder. The other fingers were typically extended back so it looked essentially like an upside down "ok" gesture.

It was a very dumb game.

It was very popular with middle school boys in the Chicagoland area during the early to mid 2000s. I guess I have no clue if it is still popular or not or if it is something that was generalized or if it was just localized idiocy.

(That being said I dunno if that is really what the fan was doing here since it is pretty clearly ABOVE waist level in clear violation of the rules. But the fact it was upside down is immediately where my head went to and I instinctively wanted to protect my shoulder.)

Yeah, we were doing this in and after college like 4 years ago.

Still use the ok symbol today a lot. But I guess I should change that...
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

wg64Z posted...

I see your tweet and raise you:

Shouldn't it say "experienced a Holly victory"?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I'm finally making my character! he plays the PINANO
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

got my 6 packs for picking Hunterace
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also, let me clarify from my earlier statement. When I say children are her highest priority, I dont mean they are her only priority/only important priority. The most important thing to Cersei was her children. But they weren't the only important thing.

Part of Cersei's allure as a character is in her self sabotage. She makes cruel decisions that reflect her personality, but they also have the effect of hurting her because she lacks the proper foresight to take precautionary measures against certain things.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

foolm0r0n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Like, the "risk the children to gain power" line doesnt make sense.

It totally does. Going with the gambling analogy, when Tyrion makes that plea/threat to her, he is raising the stakes to include her unborn child. And she instantly calls the bet, knowing that her 3 other children were killed after calling similar bets.

The alternative is that she's a total idiot with no memory. But then she would be a main protagonist of the show...

Still not a good read of the scenario. I think my issue is that children are not the only chips, and I don't think it makes sense for Cersei to consider them as a wager throughout this.

But im curious how you push this same binary onto her other children.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Captain America theme is easy to identify too.

Otherwise, the black panther and ragnarok soundtracks are amazing, although they are less thematic.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

foolm0r0n posted...

It makes no sense to read Cersei as a terrible monster except she actually values her kids more than anything. That's what Tyrion tried to hit on in the last episode and she clearly told him he was wrong.

That makes total sense though. That's why he says it. It's the idealized version of Cersei. Tyrion's memories of Cersei involve a woman who loves her children beyond everything.

He IS wrong because she isn't that anymore. She doesn't have anything left except for power.

I don't disagree with the dichotomy between children and power/control... but I don't think it's as intentional on her part as your arguments are seemingly portraying it. Like, the "risk the children to gain power" line doesnt make sense.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Does anybody still care about the Accords?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Why flee King's Landing when your son is king? She wants the best for him. The best for him is to rule. She was raised a Lannister after all... can't remove that context.

Blowing up the Sept was to eliminate her enemies. The... Order?... who was there, and stood to make themselves more important to Tommen than Cersei. Margaery, who stood to replace Cersei as the most important woman to him. While she prioritized her children, part of her deal is helicopter momming. She believes Tommen will be better off with her as his most trusted advisor. And hes the only kid she has left, so shes really overbearing.

"I better not blow up these people who are getting between me and my son because it might cause him to kill himself" is not really a conclusion easily arrived at.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

How can you survive on $40 a year, let alone week?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Yeah, it's weird for people to characterize Cersei as having any priorities beyond her children. That's always been her primary trait, and we've seen how it strengthens her and hinders her.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

RPGlord95 posted...

I make 60k a year Canadian. (About 40 dollars American) without a degree

yikes
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I put out a 3rd hyena on the unleash turn but she didn't matter.
. Also they were +3/+3 hyenas to begin with
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

azuarc posted...

did you have a Rhino out?

I had the two hyenas out
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Goofy isn't even a turtle this time.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

My opponent played giggling Inventor and I played 2 hyenas, unleash, and a springpaw+lynx to hit him for 34 damage in one turn.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

in
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Multiverse CONFIRMED
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I meant to say years. Not sure how I typed weeks lol
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

CoolCly posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

related q about mythology - what's the deal with "hail hydra"?

This is a fun one, and BIG spoilers but it turns out that SHIELD has been infiltrated by Hydra all along and many SHIELD agents are Hydra agents (which is a group of bad people, to put it simply). There's several times when Hydra agents need to identify themselves to eachother, so they'll whisper Hail Hydra and allow eachother to carry on with their business.

In the Winter Soldier, Cap is working for SHIELD and ends up getting burned by Hydra - there's an elevator scene where Cap gets into an elevator and as it's going down the building it stops on several floors as more and more people get in. They are all Hydra agents with orders to take down Cap. It's very tense until the fighting starts. The guys in the elevator scene in Endgame were all of the same guys - it's practically a shot for shot remake. Then when the tension is about to boil over and the fight starts exactly like in Winter soldier.... Cap leans over and says Hail Hydra, indicating to them all that he's in on it. So they let him take the staff.

Goddamn that was good.

The best part is that there was a big controversy a few weeks back where in the comics, Cap revealed he was Hydra agent. As said, people were furious... it was COMPLETELY against Cap's character since Hydra is literally his antithesis. It also launched an amazing series of memes that followed the same idea...

https://wjla.com/resources/media/afc8c1ee-8c7f-4deb-9cd2-ab97f845184d-large16x9_CaptainAmericaSteveRogers_Preview4.jpg?1464184971108

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aeGoRpO_460swp.webp

Aside from being an amazing scene with a hilarious and satisfying conclusion, the link to the meme (intentional or not) helped solidify it as the funniest moment in the mcu for me.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I usually only beat warrior by outvaluing it with espionage and tess. Bit that requires my card draw appearing at the right time
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Raka_Putra posted...

I love this rewrite.

Yeah but that was a long ass video for one thing.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

That's not confusion, it's just misremembering.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Snrkiko posted...

was agent carter worth watching?

I thought so. It's a network show, so not quite as crazy as the Netflix shows get. But between Peggy, Howard Stark(ish), and Jarvis, you have an awesome main cast to follow.

It's short enough that it's not a big commitment, either.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Oh, I'm expecting that not to be the timeline he goes to. Destroys the "Peggy as Cap" narrative, if Cap is just... there.

Makes more sense for Cap to go to a timeline where Peggy already loves him. Makes less sense for them to keep Cap on ice, though.

Cap goes to a timeline where Peggy already loves him, but says "I'm that guy but from 80 years in the future but only 10 years older and also I boinked your granddaughter. Also, let's ignore the me that's frozen in ice somewhere".

Ok, maybe it makes more sense for this to be a universe where Peg is Cap.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

It does, but one is frozen in ice.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Was to let us down, @LusterSoldier
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

GANON1025 posted...

I get a tone of use out of Jan'ali in my Rhadgar hand mage deck.

Decklist?

I also have Pocket Galaxy if that helps anything.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Opened Jan'Alai

Is it still worth anything?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

davidponte posted...

It really is fantastic.

It was insane.

Ultimately, Hunterace had a bad draw but his matchup was good enough that he was able to beat the guy who kept getting RNG on his side

And HUNTERACE WAS MY CHAMP SO BRING ME THE CARDS
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Watching game 5 of the finals right now. Is this even real?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic