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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:32:09 PM
#10
xp1337 posted...
Jakyl would self-identify as being far to the left and you yourself are calling him a radical... like this all checks out by your own words?


Hes trying to gatekeep how radical I am!
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:30:10 PM
#6
I spend so much time arguing with Corrik I neglected my topic title workshopping
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:28:03 PM
#1
Might need to double check on Jimmy Carter
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:24:50 PM
#498
MoogleKupo141 posted...

gee corrik ive never seen you say no one should hang out with Kim Jong Un, I guess you must really like him


He never did answer this!

Jakyl25 posted...
Like Im curious how far Corrik can take this

If Ellen was being buddy-buddy with, say, Richard Spencer, would that just be a good example in your opinion of people with different political beliefs getting along?

How about David Duke?

Rodrigo Duterte?

Timothy McVeigh?

Where on this scale does it start to become an issue for you?

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:23:33 PM
#494
Okay, but Obama is still a war criminal
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:19:53 PM
#492
Corrik7 posted...
xp1337 posted...
this is such a weird line of "attack"

jakyl is saying these things now. does it somehow not count unless he can provide evidence he said it before? why not?
He is trying to say it "now" to rationalize his nonsense that he does on the other side regularly.

I would say it about Obama too! But I do regularly about Bush but never actually about Obama!

He preaches. He doesn't actually follow what he is preaching though. He felt by rationalizing it he could make it not a specific political spectrum but his superior morality argument.


Can I prove to you that I mocked the Golden State Warriors for turning down Trump to visit Obama instead like thats somehow a good thing? No. But Im pretty sure I did.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:17:55 PM
#490
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in f***ing jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.


Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail


Did you vote for Hillary in 2016? If you did, I think you lost all credibility.


If youve followed this topic series from the beginning, I pretty famously voted for Jill Stein (in 2016 and 2012)
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:16:59 PM
#488
I dont know how you would expect me to have an archive of everything Ive ever said

Trudeau should probably accept Obamas endorsement because they are two peas in a pod. It would be like Hillary not accepting Obamas endorsement. They all are bad, they all deserve each other.

Ive said time and time and time again that Joe Biden is awful and only acceptable to vote for in a binary race against Donald Trump. Joe Biden can fuck off.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:10:49 PM
#483
xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
The end of nations.

counterpoint: by denying climate change and loosening enviornmental regulations even as the world burns we might get to this as an endstate

just not in the way you may hope


Does it count as Marxism if there is no more Bourgeoisie because everyone is dead?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:09:34 PM
#481
Suprak the Stud posted...
Jakyl is about to reveal himself as the final boss of the newest Final Fantasy game.


ExDeath Did Nothing Wrong
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:08:39 PM
#480
Corrik7 posted...
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in f***ing jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.


Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:06:06 PM
#472
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats


Try me. What is your goal?


The end of nations. Global Marxism.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:04:24 PM
#470
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats
If your goal isn't to make America better and for it's citizens then there is likely something peculiar afoot.


My goal is not to make America better for its citizens
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:03:56 PM
#468
Corrik7 posted...
Let me know where you stated Obama was a war criminal and should be in jail, Jakyl. That celebrities should not associate with him due to his crimes. I mean, I guess Biden is complicit as well correct?

You are arguing out two sides of your mouth, while trying to act like you aren't.


Earlier in this topic?

Im sorry I dont keep tabs on who Obama has brunch with to do it at every opportunity.

I sure as shit was all over so called liberals for fawning all over GWB and Michelle Obamas precious friendship.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:01:53 PM
#466
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:56:20 PM
#460
Corrik7 posted...

Yes, Democrats and Republicans should realize they are Americans first. Which is what I said before it deeply made you salty or whatever nonsense you went on with. Republicans are not your enemy as a democrat or vice versa. They are people who want the same goal as you but think there is a different way of going about it. This really isn't some insane concept here.


Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:52:41 PM
#458
kevwaffles posted...
To (hopefully) change the subject, early reports seem to indicate Rick Perry will resign soon.


Theres something wrong in this country when Rick Perry can serve openly in the Cabinet
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:47:19 PM
#453
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Not shunned by society. Society contains a lot of neoliberals! Just shunned by progressives, while also recognizing that conservatives are shunning him for entirely different reasons and you shouldnt join in their revelry about it.


Are you serious Jakyl? You're saying that people should shun each other over having different political beliefs?


Are you trying to get us stuck in a time loop?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:45:15 PM
#448
Corrik7 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Anyway, my view is that as president one is faced with tons of extremely difficult choices with no obvious correct answer, many of which only have bad answers and it's basically impossible for a president not to end up doing some things that are pretty bad, especially in retrospect. That certainly doesn't mean they can't be criticized for those or that they can't fuck up even in that context to a degree that they absolutely should be blamed for it (e.g. Bush with Iraq, or Trump with the Kurds), but I would certainly not say that Obama should be shunned by society.
But he is a war criminal. He should literally be in a jail cell for his crimes.

/Sarcasm


Im also against prison as a punitive measures
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:44:32 PM
#447
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Im still really salty about being called an American first
Lmfao. This comment happened.


You claim that you try to see all sides of an issue

Can you comprehend why some people would be disgusted to defined first and foremost by their nationality?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:43:22 PM
#446
Not shunned by society. Society contains a lot of neoliberals! Just shunned by progressives, while also recognizing that conservatives are shunning him for entirely different reasons and you shouldnt join in their revelry about it.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:36:27 PM
#440
Im still really salty about being called an American first
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:34:16 PM
#438
Fair. I did equivocate a little as I do not believe that anarchy is a ridiculous stance

The end result of Marxism is anarchy! We are just a loong way from that point
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:30:52 PM
#436
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
The opposite of our government is bad is not total anarchy
Okay. Anti government isn't anarchy. Got ya.


Im a fucking socialist, you think I want to abolish all government?

I am anti-government in the sense that Im against OUR government. Im not anti-government conceptually
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:24:47 PM
#432
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
So why is being against that entire system and thought process inherently ridiculous?
Because anarchy is ridiculous. I guess you cannot inherently know that cuz that means from birth, but anyone should be able to grasp why anarchy is bad and why laws, governments, and etc are necessary. There is a reason that civilizations across the globe that flourished all developed these same ideas.


The opposite of our government is bad is not total anarchy
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:00:28 PM
#429
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Also why cant Trump set politics aside and be nice to the refugees/migrants?
Maybe he would be able to have a nice outting with them if the chances ever came about. He doesn't have to not support our national sovereignty and borders to do so. He has a responsibility to America and it's citizens.


Why does he only have responsibility to its citizens? Why does that responsibility not extend to everyone on American soil?


That is sort of the definition of citizen, no? A republic's government's duty is to its citizens, just like a corporation's directors' duty is to its shareholders.


The trick there is that the government decides who a citizen is
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:59:30 PM
#428
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why does he only have responsibility to its citizens? Why does that responsibility not extend to everyone on American soil?
He has a responsibility to America's citizens because he is the President of the United States and the executive branch in the government, which the government is here in order to protect and serve the citizens of the United States.


So why is being against that entire system and thought process inherently ridiculous?
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TopicWaitress is FIRED for REFUSING to Serve TRANSPHOBIC Customers!! Is She Hot????
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:55:49 PM
#9
Dancedreamer posted...
You know, I imagine if a waiter refused to serve a gay couple in this EXACT same manner, the same people who think it's okay she was fired would probably think if the other guy was fired that it'd be wrong and an infringement of religious liberty.

That she defended another customer, and merely asked that another waiter serve them doesn't seem like something worth firing her over. But she'll probably be better off not working there anyway.


Is there a religion that says you cant serve gay people? Youre not being asked to recognize their marriage.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:51:27 PM
#425
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Also why cant Trump set politics aside and be nice to the refugees/migrants?
Maybe he would be able to have a nice outting with them if the chances ever came about. He doesn't have to not support our national sovereignty and borders to do so. He has a responsibility to America and it's citizens.


Why does he only have responsibility to its citizens? Why does that responsibility not extend to everyone on American soil?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:49:50 PM
#424
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Is being anti-government inherently a ridiculous belief?
Yes.


I honestly have never seen someone with more blind respect for anything than Corrik has for the status quo
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:48:19 PM
#422
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Do you honestly feel like politics arent real life and dont affect real life?
Politics are just like religion and etc. Disagreeing on them doesn't mean you can't set them aside to be friends or do things together or at least respect one another.



Also why cant Trump set politics aside and be nice to the refugees/migrants?


Uh, Trump treats the migrants the same way he does everyone else. With cold-blooded calculation of what's in DJT's best interests. If those migrants were going to vote for him, you get there would be a Trump hotel at every border crossing with GOP volunteers ready to register them to vote.


Can we arrange this? That would be pretty cool
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:47:16 PM
#109
ScareChan posted...
I would imagine it was more of trying to get the library?


Its trying to make sure no one else gets the wrestlers
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:45:46 PM
#419
While Im here ranting, I will toss out there that the standings are still Trump > W Bush as Presidents

But Trump is catching up really quickly and it surely will not remain that way into a second term.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:43:03 PM
#418
pyresword posted...

And it's especially not true when you're discussing the politicians themselves and those beliefs result in actual policies being implemented which have actual effects on the lives of real people.


Apparently they dont affect the lives of real people THAT much
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:36:48 PM
#416
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Do you honestly feel like politics arent real life and dont affect real life?
Politics are just like religion and etc. Disagreeing on them doesn't mean you can't set them aside to be friends or do things together or at least respect one another.



Also why cant Trump set politics aside and be nice to the refugees/migrants?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:34:48 PM
#414
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Do you honestly feel like politics arent real life and dont affect real life?
Politics are just like religion and etc. Disagreeing on them doesn't mean you can't set them aside to be friends or do things together or at least respect one another.



So they dont REALLY matter
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:33:31 PM
#413
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Obama is also a war criminal
That is ridiculous. Anyone who has that belief set is just being ridiculous and is basically just anti-government.

If that's your real view then if you like Bernie or whatever you should be hoping they don't win so they won't become a war criminal. It's so outlandish.


Is being anti-government inherently a ridiculous belief?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:23:49 PM
#410
Like Im curious how far Corrik can take this

If Ellen was being buddy-buddy with, say, Richard Spencer, would that just be a good example in your opinion of people with different political beliefs getting along?

How about David Duke?

Rodrigo Duterte?

Timothy McVeigh?

Where on this scale does it start to become an issue for you?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:18:39 PM
#409
Corrik7 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
If you want to feel especially bad, you can check the responses to Gowdy's Twitter post and find a bunch of people telling him they don't trust him any more because Cummings was a terrible person.
They are a good example of those who can't separate politics from life.


Do you honestly feel like politics arent real life and dont affect real life?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 5:17:29 PM
#408
Jakyl25 posted...
And it would be the same criticism from many (not all admittedly) if she was hanging out with Obama


Obama is also a war criminal
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:46:44 PM
#105
TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:37:56 PM
#401
Also I resent being called an American first

Im a human first. Countries are human creations. They exist to serve us, not us to serve them.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:36:42 PM
#400
And it would be the same criticism from many (not all admittedly) if she was hanging out with Obama
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 243: Kurd, I Stan
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:34:00 PM
#399
As has been explained a million times, its not about what George W Bush believes, its about the war crimes he committed
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:32:32 PM
#103
1.014M for AEW
712k for NXT

AEW static, minus the TruTV simulcast viewers
NXT down from 790k
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:04:59 PM
#100
Nakamura defends against Reigns on SD
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 4:03:46 PM
#99
I just dont know why you would give Darby this push if you dont think he can be a main event level guy
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 3:59:35 PM
#97
Well yes I would have Hager beat people on TV first
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 3:31:03 PM
#94
And as Ive said on the Discord, Cody clearly wants a WarGames for the next PPV

Inner Circle vs. Cody/Dustin/Darby/MJF/?
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Jakyl25
10/17/19 3:29:55 PM
#93
ExThaNemesis posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
The point is to get Hager vs Allin at Full Gear


Who do you put over there?

I'm thinking Hager via interference.


Allin

Hager is here to put people over
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