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I could maybe be into Nitara if they sort of drastically change how she looked.

Frost is meh for me, but I don't really remember her personality. Maybe she'd be cool.

also when I talk about the kids I really just mean Cassie. I want all the Cages I can get. Although I did think Takeda's whip things were cool too.
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It's grating to me how they've kinda fallen back into this pattern of "we can't advance this new timeline beyond MK4 because sales tapered off". Sales only really failed the later 3D games because frankly, they were not well designed from a gameplay standpoint. No one denies that much I think; Mortal Kombat as a respected competitive fighter is something relatively new (discounting UMK3). I just think they can make great games now, and they can do it with a variety of fresher characters that have never really gotten the chance to shine in a game that actually functions well as a fighter.

I'm sort of with you I think. I'd like to see at least a few more 3D era characters return, but also... a lot of those guys were pretty lame. Who would you want to see come back?

I'll be legit annoyed if Fujin isn't in this one finally. Also I'd like to see Havik again... maybe Hotaro could be alright too. And I always thought Mavado had a cool look even if he was just stealing Kabal's hook swords.

Mostly I just hope they don't abandon all the new characters from X. D'Vorah, Erron, and Kotal should get another shot... and at least a couple of the kids too.
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almost definitely. The first scene they showed ofthe new game's story directly follows the end of the last game.

also if you enjoyed 9 you should play 10 anyway. It's similarly good.
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Terry Crews Jax would be the absolute best video game stunt casting ever
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I like Kabal well enough

I also thought Mavado was pretty cool though... I'm be ok seeing that guy again.

but mostly I just want my man Stryker.
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Gear has no stats. Just pure kustomization.

very good news
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HashtagSEP posted...

Yeah, it kinda baffles me that there are characters apparently within in-game menu art that could be openly seen, and they decided not to reveal them officially.

that would deny us the thrill of the hunt

also those other characters may not be as ready to show off as the ones they did reveal
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I love 10's story because it gives Johnny Cage the attention he deserves. Get Liu Kang and those dang ninjas out of here, CAGE is the best.
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Geras looks pretty cool
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so are the kids not coming back

they're just totally abandoning that?
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ok cool, I was hoping wend get Skarlet or Trenor so they could actually get a legitimate role in the series
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Sheik is the only Smash-snub who has been playable in every Smash-game since Melee, and I know a great way to fix this injustice: nominate Sheik!

or has she not been snubbed at all because she's Zelda

you could have been voting for Sheik this whole time if you'd just let go
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Do you have an opinion on how Ultimate treats playable characters with spirits? Because Sheik does get posessed by multiple pre-set spirits in the single player mode and players can later customize her spirits too.

I think in the plot of the adventure mode the spirit-possessed characters you fight are technically clones of the original characters created by Galeem.
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HaRRicH posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

but it's like if Bruce Wayne existed in comics for thirty years just being Bruce Wayne and then there was year in those thirty years where he dressed up as Batman.

Sheik's been relevant for twenty of those thirty years, thanks to Smash. LoZ:OoT was only most relevant to Sheik's fanbase when that was Sheik's only game from 1998 to 2001. Zelda has had her own adventures in the LoZ-series since then, but Sheik hasn't been rusting away either -- she continues to be awesome by her own merits in a different series.

sure, but she still appears as Sheik way fewer times than she appears as just Zelda, so including her in the contest as Sheik is a worse way to represent the overall character

because they're the same character. Even if it doesn't come through in the gameplay anymore, there's still theoretically a princess hiding under Smash Sheik's ninja costume
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Also though, to me it's like Bruce Wayne has been in comic book contests since 2003 and people insist Batman can't be represented because Bruce Wayne has been here. Why wouldn't you include Batman?! Batman's awesome and has been for years! We have an inclusive solution where both of them can be featured, and if there's no inertia toward allowing Batman to be seen by normal means then we'll work extra hard to out-nominate Bruce and be done with it.

but it's like if Bruce Wayne existed in comics for thirty years just being Bruce Wayne and then there was year in those thirty years where he dressed up as Batman. It's a small part of who Zelda is compared to Bruce/Batman.

getting Sheik in the contest instead of Zelda is like getting Nomad in a contest instead of Captain America
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Except the line is much closer and blurred with Batman and Bruce. For example, it's not uncommon for Bruce to start going Batman on peeps while still Bruce Wayne. Bruce and Batman aren't so far away from each other. Sheik and Zelda have a much more clear defining line. Batman and Bruce are much more Bruce in Costume. Meanwhile Sheik is a very different character than Zelda.

aside from the aesthetics are Zelda and Sheik even that different in OoT? Their practical purpose is just to teach Link songs to help defeat Ganondorf. They have identical goals.

also playboy Bruce is the costume, Batman is the actual personality there
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I think just Sheik and no Zelda in the contest is the worst option. Sheik is only one very specific part of Zelda, while Zelda is all parts of Zelda including Sheik. It's a less inclusive way to represent the character.

Sheik is more separated from Zelda than any of those Links are to Link.

"separated" in what sense? Wolf Link and Sheik seem like the same situation to me. They're both magically altered versions of a character that look and play differently. Fierce Diety and the other MM Links are even more of a separate character because it's like a DBZ fusion with some other being's soul.
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Popcorn_Fairy posted...

But Sheik is a good bit more than Zelda in a costume. It's a whole different persona. Sheik doesn't look, act, or sound like Zelda. Zelda doesn't look, act, or sound like Sheik. The whole point of Sheik was to not be Zelda.

sure. Zelda is Bruce Wayne, Sheik is Batman. I don't think there would be a lot of support for having Bruce Wayne and Batman as separate entants in a comics character contest .
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Allowing Sheik doesn't mean allowing Crossdressing Cloud or Yellow Yoshi. Sheik is plenty unique to consider separately, and if SB is that afraid he can put her in the same division as Zelda to nullify the risk of a takeover (though he didn't do that for Siegfried and Nightmare in 2008 and let them team up in 2011).

I'm not worried about Crossdressing Cloud, I'm worried about Wolf Link and Fierce Diety Link. Maybe even Toon Link if we're using separate slots on the Smash character select screen to justify Sheik.

we don't need more Links
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How clear was it from the beginning Nightmare and Siegfried were separate entities?

I'm not sure, but I don't think it's relevant either way. By the time they both were in the contest they were established as separate, so there's not a precedent there in Sheik's favor.

The fact that Siegfried/Nightmare were allowed after SC3 when they separated feels like a point in Sheik's favor now that Sheik has separated from Zelda, and any Smash player will immediately recognize the multiple differences between them.

The difference is Nightmare and Siegfried were seperated within the lore of their series, not just on a fighter select screen. There's stil no canonical Sheik who isn't Zelda in a costume.
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Hopefully Smash/Hyrule Warriors are enough for them to be considered separate.

the Sheik in Hyrule Warriors doesn't help the argument, she's definitely Zelda in that game like in OoT.
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oh I see you addressed that a little earlier

Nightmare was once considered to be Siegfried, but they entirely separated in Soul Calibur 3 = Sheik was once considered to be Zelda, but they entirely separated in SSB4.

Zero Suit Samus was separated from normal Samus too, that doesn't make them different characters. Nightmare and Siegfried actually exist as different beings within the SC story.
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1) Nightmare is a form of Siegfried = Sheik is a form of Zelda. <-- Ancient Minister is a form of R.O.B., sure I guess.

I don't think this comparison holds up. Nightmare is an entity that inhabited Siegfried's body, not an alternate personality of Siegfried. Nightmare has had non-Siegfried hosts as far back as SC III which was before the two appeared in a contest together

https://soulcalibur.fandom.com/wiki/Nightmare

on the other hand, Sheik is just Zelda in a different outfit. She doesn't exist as a separate entity.
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aww, administrators of websites never congratulate me for anything. I'm jealous.
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