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| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:33:26 AM #346 | LinkPizza posted... I'm saying it someone who didn't know about the hacking found the Demi Lovato nude photos, why would it be immoral for them to look at them?and where exactly was this under discussion? if you unwittingly see random images and don't know where they came from, that would probably not be immoral, but no one was talking about that. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:27:49 AM #341 | LinkPizza posted... Why would it be immoral if others looked at it, though? If somebody was curious and decided to look up Demi Lovato nude on google without knowing about the hacking, why would it be immoral? Because some actors have posed nude, or had nude scenes in movies before. So, it's not always a shock to see a celebrity nude. And maybe they wanted to know if they ever had a nude scene. And then they find those pics. So, why would it be immoral?where the hell did "without knowing about the hacking" come from? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:26:08 AM #339 | FatalAccident posted... Yeah, because youve already started out with the intention of having someone hack (immoral) and distribute them to you (also immoral).ok, if your friend hacked someone's phone, obtained images off of it, and then later randomly shared them with you, would it be immoral for you to "enjoy" them? (in this case you are aware of where they came from) --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:25:11 AM #337 | LinkPizza posted... How, though? Can you explain how she magically knows when more people view it? Because that's what you're saying...if it's on the internet, then she knows that more people are viewing it all the time --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:23:59 AM #336 | LinkPizza posted... I think the act of paying someone to hack a phone would be the immoral thing. But you could probably say the same for the viewing it... for that purpose. As they used illegal means to obtain the photo. Where everybody else who just happened to see it on google would have found it "legally"...it would be an immoral act *every time* you viewed them we're not talking about legally, we're talking about morally --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:22:29 AM #333 | LinkPizza posted... her embarrassment level was directly proportionate to how many people saw itit is LinkPizza posted... it's not like her embarrassment changes as soon at 10 more people view the photoit does LinkPizza posted... As she wouldn't know. The point from earlier is that if it's already on the internet, it's not like more people viewing it would magically cause her any extra embarrassment.it does. people continuing to view it causes her ongoing and unending embarrassment and humiliation. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:19:52 AM #331 | FatalAccident posted... Looking at it isnt the moral failing, hacking into the device and subsequently sharing it is.if you hired someone to hack it for you, obtained them, and then viewed them, the act of viewing them would be an immoral act (right?) --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:16:16 AM #328 | LinkPizza posted... she'll never know how many people actually saw it ok so you're saying that since it being on the internet is effectively *as if* the whole world has seen it, that it then doesn't matter whether or not one particular person views it, because the effective amount of harm done already included that view. that seems to make some sense, but I don't think I like the idea that that can change the act of viewing it from an immoral one into a not-immoral one. --- |
| Topic | Yay schizotypal symptoms: having audio hallucinations of a Kirby door opening |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:12:00 AM #6 | I've realized (I think) that I can audially hallucinate when between sleep and awake mode (though practically in awake mode which is what makes it so weird). I'll be mostly fully conscious dozing comfortably, and then think of something and then immediately hear it. it's kind of like how dreams work, but you actually *hear* the sound which is very confusing. The main example I have is that I could legit hear a squirrel running on the roof. I imagined someone shooting it off my roof with a BB gun. And then seconds later heard the shot, heard it hit the squirrel, and heard the squirrel make a half-cartoon animal dying sound. I actually thought that it really had happened, but I've since assumed it must have been some kind of hallucination. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 2:03:03 AM #324 | fuzzball01 posted... The other possibility it that you find out this picture is on the internet, and you can't get it removed because that's not how the internet works. No matter how many people see it, all you know is that it is there, and people can see it. Even if no one looks at it, you know it's there. It's not going to hurt you more every time someone looks at the picture, what hurts is that the picture is available for anyone to see.ok thank you for actually posting something reasonable. so, you're making a distinction between an image being viewed, and an image being made available for viewing. I don't think that works because if an image is being made available for viewing and *no one sees it*, (and you know no one saw it), then no harm is done. harm is done by the actual (or potential) viewing. what you're saying is the mob mentality thing again. you're saying that your one view has decreased to infinitesimal importance such that it can be considered effectively no longer immoral/harmful. you're diluting your immoral act. the question is, is this justified? is it indeed no longer immoral once it has reached a sufficient level of "saturation"? ("enough other people are doing this that it no longer matters if I do it too"?) --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 1:56:14 AM #323 | LinkPizza posted... If only 100 people have seen it, how is that different than 1 billion people seeing it?are you legit asking what the difference between 100 and 1,000,000,000 is? that's like 7 orders of magnitude... LinkPizza posted... can you please explain how the number of people who have seen it is directly related to the amount of emotional/mental harm she is receiving?well let's see... if zero people see it, that would be completely relieving, because the amount of embarrassment would be zero. if exactly 1 person saw it, that would almost not even be embarrassing, except in association with that one person. if 100 people saw it, similarly it would be low embarrassment relative only to that 100 people. if literally everyone in the world saw it, that would be maximally humiliating. why the hell do I need to explain this? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 1:40:12 AM #318 | wwinterj25 posted... fuzzball01 posted...? so... all of the emotional harm still exists even if no one sees it? how does that make any sense? the amount of emotional/mental harm is actually directly proportional to the number of people that see it... other people seeing it is the direct cause of the emotional harm. --- |
| Topic | Which was the good adblocker? |
| Sahuagin 12/12/19 12:29:24 AM #3 | EclairReturns posted... uBlock Originthat one. "uBlock" is the good one, but the two guys that made it split up because one of them wanted to make money off of it. the guy that wanted it to remain free named his version "uBlock Origin" to differentiate it from the other "uBlock". --- |
| Topic | www.p |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 7:53:31 PM #7 | panago pizza political compass .org por-<can't post> --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 6:29:53 PM #302 | Zangulus posted... amoralwas gonna say, don't you mean "immoral". amoral means something like, something to which morals don't apply. but as a descriptor for a person, it means something like "not caring what is moral or immoral". that definitely seems to fit here. --- |
| Topic | How many total pairs of shoes that you own? |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 6:16:54 PM #15 | 1 pair of shoes, 1 pair of slippers --- |
| Topic | Have you ever had to dial "911"??? (or your country's equivalent) |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 6:08:08 PM #24 | dedbus posted... I was driving and a bus had "call 911" on its display so I called for that.what did it turn out to be? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 6:06:37 PM #300 | lihlih posted... Except you never stated why. The person isn't going to be more or less hurt because someone they don't know at all is looking at it or not. If it's someone they know personally, it's a different story, but someone completely random, it makes no difference whatsoever.this was the issue I was getting at earlier. I think the only reason you can say "it makes no difference" is because of mob mentality: "everyone else is doing it so it doesn't matter if I do to". pictures are hacked by someone else...
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| Topic | What are the most technically / strategically satisfying boss fights in RPGs? |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 3:41:14 AM #9 | for RPGs, I think it would be hard to beat Infinity Engine games, since they have spectacular tactical combat some other non-RPG games that come to mind but maybe don't fit that well include Valkyria Chronicles, Creeper World games, maybe FTL --- |
| Topic | Does anyone here know anything about python programming? |
| Sahuagin 12/11/19 12:38:24 AM #2 | yea- oh --- |
| Topic | Worst game ost of 2019? |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 9:06:34 PM #2 | MOLEK-SYNTEZ ost is nothing but an hour and a half of ambient sounds https://zachtronics.bandcamp.com/album/molek-syntez --- |
| Topic | Have you ever had to dial "911"??? (or your country's equivalent) |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 7:13:29 PM #5 | family member fell down the stairs once, which required a 911 call, but I didn't make the call. that's it I think. friend from Romania dialed 911 once when he found someone's wallet --- |
| Topic | Die Bart Die |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 3:32:14 AM #3 | Bart is apparently german for beard. not sure how to make a joke about it though. --- |
| Topic | Badly describe the most recent game you played. |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 3:24:23 AM #28 | fuzzball01 posted... Reanimated corpse tracks down dragon while babysitting mentally handicapped facsimiles of humanslol I was able to guess that one. that's hilarious 8) --- |
| Topic | Badly describe the most recent game you played. |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 2:29:36 AM #25 | an alien lands on a new planet and world war erupts. repeat. --- |
| Topic | How much data do you have on your phone plan |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 2:07:42 AM #13 | I thought it was 1GB, but I can't find where I can even see it. I thought for sure I used to check when I was tethering for internet and watch it climb up to 1GB, but I can't find where that would even be. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 1:52:12 AM #151 | Revelation34 posted... There's nothing to disagree with. People have different moral compasses. Subjectivity is not objectivity.morality is about rules that help groups succeed. such rules are objectively true. they objectively promote the success of groups. you can argue that they are partly subjective and partly objective, but the same can be said for most or all things. everything has a subjective component, because we can only observe it through our own perceptions; everything has an objective component since/if it exists. (probably exceptions somewhere.) but the notion that whatever you decide is moral is what is moral is false. moral rules promote the success of groups; anything else is not moral (or possibly amoral). --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 1:36:36 AM #147 | Revelation34 posted... Morals are subjectivedisagree but I already spent all my energy --- |
| Topic | Cops shoot hostage |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 1:31:37 AM #5 | The Popo posted... Anyone who has ever seen Speed knows thats what you do in a hostage situation. --- |
| Topic | Do haggle at car dealerships? |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 1:30:14 AM #16 | xjayguyx posted... You haggled them down to the point they might not have made any money, then later said you don't care about the price.. and now want to get your maintenance done there.. LOL. Good luck with that.LOL. thanks! --- |
| Topic | Do haggle at car dealerships? |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 1:19:13 AM #13 | my brother-in-law helped me haggle... though I think we slightly overdid it and haggled them so low that they made nothing on the deal. I also stupidly said "eh, I don't care that much about the price" afterwards... so, I think they were a little irritated at us for that. my plan is to try and go there for maintenance, since it seems like a pretty good place, and I'd like to help them out a bit after that. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:56:05 AM #143 | wwinterj25 posted... You came into this topic making no point at all and continue to drag on this weird ... whatever this is.no point at all? this is a clearly immoral act that you are "defending" for some reason. (personally I enjoy a good philosophically interesting conversation. this is something I'm not decided on and would have naively sided with you when I first entered the thread; I may yet given the right argument.) you guys are conflating the concept of considering an act to be immoral oneself, and for "society"/everyone-else considering an act to be immoral. obviously you don't care if everyone else thinks something is immoral if you don't agree. the question is, do you care if you think it's immoral? I guess a conversation like this can only go on so long since we start to lose grasp of the flow of the conversation over time. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:37:38 AM #135 | LinkPizza posted... People do immoral things all the time... depending on what you call immoral. For example, me having sex with my SO would be immoral to many people for different reasons, like were both guys or were not married.yeah, but you wouldn't say you'd still be ok with homosexuality even if it was immoral, you would say that homosexuality is not immoral. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:34:58 AM #134 | LinkPizza posted... I think he said he didnt care about the immorality of looking at leaked nudesthat doesn't make any sense. moral/immoral is the value judgment of the act. if you're saying you don't care about the value judgement of one scenario versus another, then what metric are you using to differentiate them instead? act A => immoral => ok act B => immoral => not ok really I think you're just goal post shifting. you want to be able to be ok with this without having to defend it. I don't know why you'd want to discuss it in that case though. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:21:55 AM #125 | LinkPizza posted... Thats a lot to assume because he likes to look at nude celebrities. Or do you think most of the world in like that? Because I feel like most of he works has looks at a celebs nude pic at least once...it's not an assumption, he specifically declared that he didn't care about morality... --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:14:52 AM #121 | wwinterj25 posted... Bingo. I don't even know what to say. So you are an admittedly immoral person? Are you a psychopath? Do you at least respect the law? Do you just avoid doing things that would get you in trouble, but without that you would commit any kind of evil act? Or in other words, is there a limit somewhere? Stealing? Killing? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:03:52 AM #119 | wwinterj25 posted... My position is think what you like. It doesn't change what I do because I simply don't care.ok, then: you don't even care to ask whether it is or isn't immoral, or even discuss it here where it is actively being discussed in a conversation that you're actively involved in, and even if it was immoral, you wouldn't care? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/10/19 12:00:39 AM #115 | wwinterj25 posted... Point to me where I agreed or disagreed with that assumption.hmmm. ok then, you're position is that it is immoral but you don't care? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 11:55:26 PM #113 | wwinterj25 posted... I mean your long ass post didn't add anything to the discussion either.well I'm asking you a question. aren't you claiming that you viewing the images is not immoral? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 11:54:16 PM #111 | LinkPizza posted... I think the point that was suppose to be made earlier was Jen said that anyone who looked at the image had low or no moral. Basing our whole morality on this one thing. Which is wrong. People can do something immoral without being completely immoral...ok, I just take what she said to effectively mean "doing so is immoral". yes, one immoral act doesn't describe everything about you. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 11:50:18 PM #108 | LinkPizza posted... So, what?you're doing your usual thing of arguing with no point. none of what you're saying has any bearing on the moral issue here. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 11:47:21 PM #105 | wwinterj25 posted... Not sure where you're getting I'm implying that. I'm simply saying if you run through a fire you're going to get burnt.I was going to post something like this before but I didn't want to do my usual over-analysis of things. But... Jen definitely has a point here. There is a sort of moral chain here. To keep it simple: Is it immoral/unethical to hack someone's phone, take their images, and (let's say "enjoy") them? Yes Let's break it apart:
The only thing going on here it seems is "mob mentality": everyone else is doing something immoral, which means that it's ok for me to do the immoral thing too. --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 11:39:21 PM #99 | LinkPizza posted... You're right. But it's the same as leaving your door unlocked while you're not home to stop home invaders. If you wanna protect your stuff, lock your door. If you don't want you nudes getting out (then either don't take them, or store them somewhere actual safe. Or something similar. When any of us take nudes, we know there's a chance it can get around...so? --- |
| Topic | Demi Lovato's nudes were leaked |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 11:19:13 PM #93 | wwinterj25 posted... Again when uploading them to the cloud or any internet service it kinda is.doing something that increases your chance of being a victim of crime does not decriminalize the criminal act --- |
| Topic | Can someone help me find a "water enhancer" that has no sugar.. |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 5:35:50 AM #24 | there's drinks like La Croix and Bubbly that are 0 cal with no artificial sweeteners or flavors. --- |
| Topic | What do you do when you get stuck on a game |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 5:32:49 AM #19 | greenmist01 posted... If its such a strict rule, why is it not easier to find then?it's a joke not a rule --- |
| Topic | What game are you currently playing? |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 3:26:10 AM #99 | Age of Wonders: Planetfall great game so far. randomized campaign maps are great, so multiple playthroughs aren't identical (they're slightly less interesting that way though). tech and unit tree is determined by 4 separate choices (2 weapon techs, race, and "secret tech" (kind of like element or faith)), making for a lot of interesting combinations. feels like it has the most solid design of any of the age of wonder games so far, though I'll probably always like 1 the best. Levelhead Mario Maker clone. I kind of like it but I'd rather just make my own game than make levels in someone else's game. MOLEK-SYNTEZ it's ok, but it may be the least enjoyable Zachtronics game. not all that impressed, but I'll still play through it. --- |
| Topic | I'm starting to notice that I can't drive at night anymore |
| Sahuagin 12/09/19 1:27:38 AM #4 | some cars' night-time headlights are basically full highbeams with a shade over it to keep them around waist level, and activating "highbeams" just pulls back the shade. problem is if they go over a bump or you are otherwise below the oncoming car, you just basically get full-on highbeams. though I think they still may not be quite as bright as whatever regular highbeams are. regular older-style highbeams aren't just a little bright, you can feel them burning into your retina when you aren't even looking at them. --- |
| Topic | Imagine being a castration specialist |
| Sahuagin 12/08/19 10:32:18 PM #9 | |
| Topic | I often have hotdogs as a quick meal when i dont wanna cook |
| Sahuagin 12/08/19 6:42:09 PM #21 | captpackrat posted... I've done this, but with sausageI was going to ask what putting spaghetti "through" hot dogs meant but I thought it must just be a grammatical error... --- |
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