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| Topic | Last week: Martin Scorsese compares Disney superhero movies to theme parks |
| Zithers 10/12/19 12:06:12 AM #5 | Dampproof posted... Zithers posted...It looks just like the MCU movies. Anonymously directed knowing who directed something is not what i mean. and no, the directors do not have their own styles. they look look the exact fucking same: ugly digital photography, hacked to death, lots of green screen/cgi, poorly staged expository scenes that take place in board rooms, etc. --- |
| Topic | Last week: Martin Scorsese compares Disney superhero movies to theme parks |
| Zithers 10/11/19 11:54:57 PM #1 | In case you missed it or forgot what he said, here it is: "The closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. This week: Disney releases a trailer for a movie they made about one of their theme park rides  And what do you know? It looks just like the MCU movies. Anonymously directed, hideous green screen environs, quips, too much editing, etc. And it'll make well over a billion dollars anyway! Hooray for the death of art! --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 11:43:56 PM #167 | IShall_Run_Amok posted... To be fair, the last time the majority of great movies were from Hollywood was maybe the 1950s. And that's a big maybe. this is a yankophile thread, amok!!! please depart it!!! but seriously, based on our QCW thing i feel like 1960 is a solid endpoint. was kind of astonished by how much better foreign titles were that year. 1955 was a little bit more mixed for me but leaned towards hollywood. wish we could have just done the years between 55-60 instead of jumping to 1984 honestly. oh well. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 11:38:48 PM #166 | PleaseClap posted... Zithers posted...PleaseClap posted...The normies just lack the sophisticated palate to really ruminate on what REAL films are. Alas, why must us cinephiles have been born in this generation? Why must we have born in an age where art and effort has left film making? Nobody understands culture anymore. Ah, to be cursed with this damnable knowledge of art! i dunno, personally i think you (anyone reading this) should challenge yourself and try out something new. maybe something in gorgeous chiaroscuro black and white from 70 or 80 years ago. or maybe a musical from the 50s that's filmed in retina-searing technicolor. do you like musicals? how about noirs? westerns? melodramas? screwball comedies? big, grand 3+ hour epics? maybe you'd prefer the european arthouse stuff of the 1960s? like i said its never been easier to see that stuff. you've got a lot to look forward to if you're interested in challenging your preconceived notions of what those movies are like! sign up for the criterion channel for $10/mo and check out the 1,600+ movies they've got on their site. or if you're a weirdo who still has cable and DVR you can record a shitload of cool stuff on turner classic movies! you never know! you may dig them! otherwise learn to take a hit and acknowledge that maybe you don't know what you're talking about! the superhero movies are loved by virtually everyone and aren't going away any time soon. you're losing nothing by a couple people not liking them. take a deep breath, calm down, and let the people who are passionate about cinema be sad about watching what they love die in slow motion. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 10:45:59 PM #163 | PleaseClap posted... The normies just lack the sophisticated palate to really ruminate on what REAL films are. Alas, why must us cinephiles have been born in this generation? Why must we have born in an age where art and effort has left film making? Nobody understands culture anymore. Ah, to be cursed with this damnable knowledge of art! being a cinephile right now is great because of the internet providing access to all types of movies, the proliferation of physical media, turner classic movies, and if you live in a major market, repertory theaters. we have it better than anyone else who's loved movies of the past 100 years. but studio filmmaking coming out of hollywood is absolute dog shit, yes. it has never been worse. the vast majority of good movies today are independent or foreign. which is a shame, since hollywood obviously has the best resources to make great cinema and they choose not to. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 8:07:58 PM #154 | Smashingpmkns posted... Zithers posted...Smashingpmkns posted...Even if that were true, the average movie goer isnt saying the movies you like arent actually films lol not even comparable. All in all, the ostentation speaks louder than your choice in films. hmmmm not sure you possess the fortitude to warrant further responses --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 7:49:53 PM #149 | Smashingpmkns posted... Even if that were true, the average movie goer isnt saying the movies you like arent actually films lol not even comparable. All in all, the ostentation speaks louder than your choice in films. no one's saying marvel movies aren't movies either dude. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 7:34:47 PM #143 | Gafemage posted... PleaseClap posted...mmmm, elitism and gatekeeping yeah the thing is a load of cinephiles tough it out and watch conglomerate approved studio movies all the time. meanwhile the people who slobber all over this stuff and get mad when we say it sucks would never meet us halfway and watch ten ozu movies or something before deciding "not for me!" --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 7:17:28 PM #141 | PleaseClap posted... Zithers posted...netflix movies personally i don't think netflix movies should be eligible for oscars unless they do a larger theatrical window. just barely following the rules and four-walling to be eligible for awards is pretty douchey imo. doesn't mean that they can't be good! --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 7:11:39 PM #136 | tainted_emerald posted... Zithers posted... its a quote from steven soderbergh's keynote at a film festival a few years ago. if you consider yourself a fan of movies i'd take the time to read it. he began as an indie guy winning the top prize at sundance with his first movie, became an arthouse film burnout, got a rebirth in studio filmmaking with the oceans 11 series, retired to make tv shows, and then came back into movies by making stuff on his iphone and now does straight to netflix movies... he's done it all!!! https://www.indiewire.com/2013/04/read-the-full-transcript-of-steven-soderberghs-impassioned-state-of-cinema-addr ess-from-the-san-francisco-film-festival-38993/ had to put a space in the url cuz too many characters. dumb rule. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 7:09:09 PM #134 | Smashingpmkns posted... Zithers posted...yeah i think normies aren't aware that people who love movies have another definition for cinema, which i posted earlier itt and will do so for you right now: yeah a lot of people in the industry have awful taste, pretty unfortunate --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 6:53:55 PM #129 | Smashingpmkns posted... Zithers posted...Smashingpmkns posted...Zithers posted... yeah i think normies aren't aware that people who love movies have another definition for cinema, which i posted earlier itt and will do so for you right now: The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something thats made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesnt have anything to do with where the screen is, if its in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesnt even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. Its an approach in which everything matters. Its the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isnt made by a committee, and it isnt made by a company, and it isnt made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didnt do it, it either wouldnt exist at all, or it wouldnt exist in anything like this form. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 6:41:07 PM #127 | Smashingpmkns posted... Zithers posted...Smashingpmkns posted...Zithers posted... i mean i tried them too. i got through ten before giving up. guardians was the last one i saw i think until i gave black panther a chance last year. kinda reminds me of when people tell me a show is great but the first two seasons are bad. and then it gets good! its like, how much bullshit can you really tolerate? if you don't like the manufactured house style of the mcu movies, how many do you need to give a chance before you can safely say that they suck? --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 6:36:12 PM #125 | Smashingpmkns posted... Zithers posted...PleaseClap posted...https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1180158383070105606 uhhhh scorsese said he tried watching them in the quote. did you read the quote? --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 6:32:09 PM #122 | PleaseClap posted... https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1180158383070105606Martin Scorsese is one of my 5 favorite living filmmakers. I was outraged when people picketed The Last Temptation of Christ without having seen the film. Im saddened that hes now judging my films in the same way. guy saying "i don't like them" = having people protesting and making bomb threats to theaters who played a movie what a crybaby, you're rich as fuck and your movie series is the dominant pop culture item. take a hit. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 2:52:49 AM #103 | cinematic merit has less to do with whether cgi is used and is more about technical craft such as blocking, editing, cinematography, visual storytelling in general, etc. though marvel movies all look like plastic and have awful digital sheen on them. they have lots of exposition dumps which bring everything to a screeching halt. movies have no real point except "who is more powerful" as people chase stones around or whatever. characters are plot devices instead of personalities. all micromanaged to be as digestible and commercial as possible. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 2:08:19 AM #92 | gonna post soderbergh's definition of cinema in here too The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something thats made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesnt have anything to do with where the screen is, if its in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesnt even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. Its an approach in which everything matters. Its the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isnt made by a committee, and it isnt made by a company, and it isnt made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didnt do it, it either wouldnt exist at all, or it wouldnt exist in anything like this form. --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema". |
| Zithers 10/04/19 2:06:15 AM #88 | scorsese is right mcu and other studio movies today are not cinema bunch of homogenized create-by-committee poopoo that succeeds off of brand name recognition bc people hate seeing anything too original --- |
| Topic | Martin Scorsese Says Marvel Movies Are "Not Cinema" |
| Zithers 10/03/19 11:19:13 PM #5 | PatrickMahomes posted... @Zithers you know im on top of this brah lol superhero movies! i recommend anyone who likes them to grow up and finally appreciate real movies/art! --- |
| Topic | Which movie should I watch? |
| Zithers 09/14/19 11:14:41 PM #1 | pick one - Results (6 votes)
The Blue Gardenia
16.67% (1 vote)
1
Jungle Book (1942)
33.33% (2 votes)
2
A Safe Place
0% (0 votes)
0
The Children's Hour
0% (0 votes)
0
The Lusty Men
16.67% (1 vote)
1
Reflections in a Golden Eye
0% (0 votes)
0
Mystery Train
33.33% (2 votes)
2
Safety Last!
0% (0 votes)
0
Gaslight (1940)
0% (0 votes)
0
Woman in the Dunes
0% (0 votes)
0
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| Topic | What movies have you see now multiple times in theatres? |
| Zithers 09/14/19 11:07:16 PM #2 | bruce almighty bad santa there will be blood (3x) phantom thread mission impossible fallout once upon a time in hollywood everything was twice except for twbb --- |
| Topic | what's the most INSANE thing you've ever been modded for? |
| Zithers 07/14/19 2:36:56 PM #57 | |
| Topic | what's the most INSANE thing you've ever been modded for? |
| Zithers 07/14/19 2:36:36 PM #56 | still think mine is the most insane thing to be modded for. especially since it resulted in a 180 day suspension/karma loss. --- |
| Topic | what's the most INSANE thing you've ever been modded for? |
| Zithers 07/14/19 1:43:47 AM #8 | StealthRock posted... Posting anything in opposition of trans definitely ban-worthy imo --- |
| Topic | what's the most INSANE thing you've ever been modded for? |
| Zithers 07/14/19 1:30:22 AM #5 | TerrifyingRei posted... i only got a couple NKLs for having a full meltdown on another board why did you have a meltdown --- |
| Topic | what's the most INSANE thing you've ever been modded for? |
| Zithers 07/13/19 11:45:29 PM #1 | i once made a topic on one of the movie boards asking everyone who their fav actor was in the topic title then in the OP i said "how many movies have they been in that were directed by women? isn't it weird that half our species isn't allowed to direct movies?" then it got deleted for being offensive and i received a 180 day suspension lol --- |
| Topic | People that complain about a lack of original movies are so annoying :/ |
| Zithers 06/29/19 2:10:13 PM #28 | No. Cinema is dying thanks to people like TC. You are ripping away something I care about and the more you tell me to shut up the louder I will be a la dril. --- |
| Topic | People that complain about a lack of original movies are so annoying :/ |
| Zithers 06/29/19 1:52:06 PM #26 | OctilIery posted... Zithers posted...This dude thinks trickle down economics works for movies/art! No studio has ever financed a small indie project because their dumb sequel/spinoff/superhero movie did well at the box office. Laughable. I would love to know which directors have done that. Preferably good, original filmmakers, since you say that original filmmaking is so rampant today (lol!). Also I can't gatekeep even if I wanted to. It has literally never been easier to become a cinephile if you want to. Between Turner Classic Movies, YouTube, pirating, physical media, the Criterion Channel, Prime, etc there are so many avenues to become interested in world/indie/classic movies. But nobody does, lol! Culture is dying! Bow down to your conglomerate overlords and watch their homogenized, create-by-committee gutter filth! Lose all curiosity! Stan nostalgia-based remakes! Devour whatever they shovel into your mouth! Lmao! --- |
| Topic | People that complain about a lack of original movies are so annoying :/ |
| Zithers 06/28/19 9:54:38 PM #20 | @OctilIery posted... Like, nevermind that Hollywood is about as original as it has ever been, the simple fact is that those franchises fund the smaller independent projects, which are generally much more of a risk than blockbusters. LMAO!!!! This dude thinks trickle down economics works for movies/art! No studio has ever financed a small indie project because their dumb sequel/spinoff/superhero movie did well at the box office. Laughable. Hollywood is at its absolute rock bottom in terms of filmmaking. Movies don't even follow the basic fundamentals of visual storytelling and/or functional drama. They prefer momentum-killing expository scenes, one-note characters, and plastic CGI nonsense, all filmed on hideous digital cameras. Let's not forget that they trained audiences to like crap like this though. Audiences sneer at "boring dramas" and "Oscar bait" (whatever that is) and would rather watch those at home, if at all. Guess what? The movies make less or no movie when you do that! Only going to the theater for soulless corporate franchise tentpole garbage that you were tricked into seeing because of $100m advertising budgets is going to crush "small" movies and eradicate them from movie theaters and major streaming services by the time we're dead. Of course, there are a handful of indie and foreign movies that are great every year but Hollywood is bottoming out in terms of originality and talent. There is literally no debating this if you have actually watched movies from all countries, time periods, genres, styles, budgets, etc. Thank you for coming to my TED talk and good night @Drpooplol --- |
| Topic | People that complain about a lack of original movies are so annoying :/ |
| Zithers 06/27/19 11:13:45 AM #17 | Drpooplol posted... Also, @zithers you can do your thing without welching in here Will try to respond to this tonight --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/18/19 12:41:25 AM #22 | had no idea that was a thing also the butler guy who helps agent cooper is that dude from all the john ford movies and russ tamblyn was in a bunch of musicals back in the day david lynch clearly a big classic hollywood fan!!!! legend!!!! --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/16/19 11:37:35 PM #20 | |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/16/19 12:30:33 AM #16 | Skye Reynolds posted... Zithers posted...The Big Heat (1953, Fritz Lang) Oh right, duh. Gloria Grahame is so good in it. And In a Lonely Place. And so bad that she's charming in Oklahoma!. Did you know she fucked Nick Ray's kid while she was married to him? Pretty insane story between those three. --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/16/19 12:24:31 AM #13 | KeepAnEyeOut posted... On Dangerous Ground might be my favorite Nicholas Ray. Some of the scenes have a kind of lyrical beauty that reminds me of the American avant-garde films of the time. Possession and First Reformed own. And The Other Side of the Wind, which I saw a 35mm print of last year. Bizarre to see the Netflix logo flickering on the screen. I just saw Nightfall (and The Big Heat) as part of the Columbia Noir set on Criterion Channel. Not bad. Aldo Ray is an interesting, unorthodox noir lead. Sort of a proto-Fargo. --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/16/19 12:12:54 AM #12 | Paper_Okami posted... the only one Vincente Minnelli is getting up there for me. In the past six months I've seen The Bad and the Beautiful, The Band Wagon, Tea and Sympathy, The Clock, and Some Came Running. The latter is the only one I didn't more or less immediately fall in love with. The Clock would definitely be an honorable mention for the year so far. Along with Sanjuro, The Quiet Man, Way Out West, and All That Heaven Allows. --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/15/19 11:36:05 PM #7 | I've seen like 75 features this year, for the record. --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/15/19 11:26:27 PM #5 | vocedelmorte posted... Something sunhawk would post People always mention him when I make a movie related thread. He has never posted in any of my topics though. So it isn't clear to me how we are similar. --- |
| Topic | The best movies I have seen so far this year |
| Zithers 05/15/19 11:12:58 PM #1 | Good evening. I thought I would spread the gospel of Quality Cinema to this board for a moment by telling you all about some incredible films I've seen this year. Without further ado... On Dangerous Ground (1951, Nicholas Ray & Ida Lupino) Starts off as a trashy Robert Ryan noir about a violent cop before it turns into a sweet romance between his character and a blind woman (played by Lupino, who directed some scenes while Ray was sick) whose brother he is after. The tones that Ray is able to seesaw between is miraculous. Also features a very angry supporting turn from the generally lovable Ward Bond. Anyway, one of the best films about loneliness imo. Artists and Models (1955, Frank Tashlin) I believe this movie was the last collaboration between Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin. Lewis plays an idiot who is obsessed with comic books who is roommates with Martin's painter character. They both fall in love with their neighbors, Shirley MacLaine and Dorothy Malone. In between all of this we get a satire of comic books, nuclear bomb codes, and some song-and-dance numbers. Tashlin had spent a lot of time working on cartoons before this and he brings the same colorful, whacky sensibility to live-action. Also, this movie is extremely horny. More movies today need to be horny. Pennies from Heaven (1981, Herbert Ross) This is one of those late 70s-early 80s bombs that some studio spent a ton of money on for a director to do whatever the hell they wanted. Steve Martin plays a music sheet salesman during the depression who, when he opens his mouth to sing, spouts the 30s versions of these songs. And with that music comes Busby Berkeley styled music numbers (he was at his peak in the 1930s doing comedy musicals about the depression). Martin's character is kind of a slimeball but it all works out. There's a particularly horrifying scene with him towards the end that is in almost absolute darkness (the film was shot by Gordon Willis of The Godfather fame). Bernadette Peters and Chris Walken get some showstopping numbers, too. Tea and Sympathy (1956, Vincente Minnelli) Another great movie about loneliness. It's based on a play about a gay kid who is made fun of at a boarding school while his teacher's wife tries to seduce him so that he can make it through the day easier. However, since this was a movie in the 50s, they had to make it heteronormative. He likes to knit, listen to folk music (egad), doesn't like sports... the movie is still obviously about the gay experience at the time, but the romance between he and the teacher is more direct. It actually leads to what might be an even more somber ending. Really underrated. Barely over 2,000 votes on IMDb. Should be more widely seen imo! The Big Heat (1953, Fritz Lang) As usual, Lang makes another movie about the corruption of institutions. In this case, the police force, who is bribed by the local crime ring. However this crime ring (including a vicious Lee Marvin), messes with the wrong cop (Glenn Ford). He goes rogue and along with the rest of the men in this movie, destroys everything in his path, while the women try to save their souls. The only noir that's made me tear up. The Band Wagon (1953, Vincente Minnelli) Magical. A self-reflexive masterpiece and perhaps an even better one than Singin' in the Rain. Fred Astaire and Cyd Charisse are incredible together and Minnelli stages so many wonderful impressionistic dance numbers. Hilarious, inventive, moving... that's entertainment. My favorite movie of the year so far and one of my favorite movies period. Anyway, I just cancelled my Sling subscription so I won't be able to watch Turner Classic Movies anymore, so I imagine I will have a lot less pre-1960 Hollywood movies on my Best Of list at the end of the year. --- |
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