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TopicBernie Sanders: respect the police so that you don't get shot
legendary_zell
10/29/19 1:56:45 PM
#2
It's clearly a criticism of the police, not a defense of them. A little flippant and looks bad out of context, but it's not like he's actually suggesting bowing and scraping to avoid being murdered.
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Topic2 Socialists standing in front of empty shelves
legendary_zell
10/29/19 1:16:34 PM
#2
It's already been shown that this is a food pantry where people have to go because our current system is failing them and where the shelves are empty because the need is so high that charity alone can't fill it.
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TopicBed Bath and Beyond pulls controversial 'blackface' pumpkins from shelves
legendary_zell
10/29/19 1:02:26 PM
#35
Dyinglegacy posted...
This is what they mean when they say that people dismiss actual racism because even benign things such as this get deemed as racist, huh


This has never made sense. You don't have to do that. No one is forcing anyone to do that. It doesn't even make sense. If it's silly and it's not racism then ignore it, don't blind yourself to the entire concept.

The people that do this have either been taught extremely immature ways of dealing with people not being perfect or they're using it as an excuse to ignore social issues or to contribute to them.
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TopicBed Bath and Beyond pulls controversial 'blackface' pumpkins from shelves
legendary_zell
10/29/19 12:23:34 PM
#23
I don't that's a blackface pumpkin. I understand why some would think it is because any majority black face with a lighter color mouth/eyes will draw that comparison.

A blackface pumpkin would still be bad and you'd still have people defending it with "it's just a pumpkin" because they don't actually think racism is bad.
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TopicCan someone post proof that Trump is a racist?
legendary_zell
10/29/19 11:45:33 AM
#19
WashYourBrain.
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TopicChicago police's stop and frisk policies unfairly targeted black people
legendary_zell
10/27/19 5:13:06 PM
#50
"Actually, the blacks deserve it"

Yep, this is CE.
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TopicIt blows my mind people still ask 'where you from' instead of ethnicity
legendary_zell
10/25/19 4:55:35 PM
#47
It's fine to ask this as long as you don't imply that the person you're asking isn't actually from your country purely because of their appearance. Which is what a lot of people do and why this question is considered slightly uncomfortable. It's not hard guys and it's not a SJW conspiracy.
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TopicTexas jury rules against dad trying to stop 7yo son's gender transition
legendary_zell
10/24/19 6:11:03 PM
#142
Prismsblade posted...
I condone this completely. Theres a exceptionally high chance he'll regret the transition later as many other trans do, and even if he doesn't very likely will become sterile from being on puberty blockers for so long.

I wouldnt be surprised later when this is unearthed to be nothing more then a young boy trying to please his mother and led astray.


That's not what condone means. That's a pretty unfortunate typo
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Topicis it normal to see blood when wiping every few years
legendary_zell
10/23/19 6:04:44 PM
#6
It's very likely hemorrhoids. If you can get it checked out really cheaply, maybe do that but it's probably nothing.
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TopicPete Buttigieg's dad was a Marxist professor
legendary_zell
10/23/19 3:16:19 PM
#5
This is why having kids is a gamble. They have their own free will and can choose to use it in.....interesting ways.

But when you grow up in a family like that, you're either gonna be super radical or you're gonna be.....Pete Buttigieg.
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TopicHouse conservatives doing... I don't know, some dumb shit
legendary_zell
10/23/19 1:28:35 PM
#31
There are Republicans in the room! There are Republicans on every committee investigating the impeachment. The impeachment hearings will be public and Republicans will be there. Stop it, there is no point worth mentioning, especially in the face of this Brooks Brothers Riot bullshit.
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TopicHouse conservatives doing... I don't know, some dumb shit
legendary_zell
10/23/19 1:18:55 PM
#25
s0nicfan posted...
They're pissed because, since the impeachment inquiry wasn't put to vote, the committees don't legally have to have representation from both sides. The current inquiry is nearly entirely dem lead and run, so they're "storming in" because they intentionally aren't being invited.

You can believe Trump is 100% guilty, but they also have a reason to be pissed because we're in the process of impeaching a sitting president and unlike the last 2 times it happened, one party is explicitly being kept out of the process.

EDIT: More details from the BBC which reported on this
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50061727
Citing past impeachments, the president's supporters have called for a full House vote to formally start the inquiry and to give Republican lawmakers more powers, like being able to issue subpoenas for their own witnesses and schedule hearings.

As it stands, several House committees, all chaired by Democrats, are investigating the president, looking for evidence to support impeachment. The White House has refused to co-operate.

The House speaker might be trying to protect the handful of holdout Democrats or view the move as a waste of time. She might also be afraid that a House vote would encourage Republicans to press for the kinds of investigatory powers that congressional minority parties had in past impeachment proceedings.

The last thing Democrats want is congressional Republicans subpoenaing Joe or Hunter Biden in an attempt to shift the focus away from Donald Trump.


This is not a defensible course of action and I don't think you would be defending it if Democrats were doing it.
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TopicPolice remove three kids, 245 animals from 'deplorable' Florida home
legendary_zell
10/21/19 10:01:36 PM
#10
They need to be checked for TB and the literal plague immediately.
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TopicIt seems "Neurodiversity" is the latest SJW buzzword
legendary_zell
10/21/19 7:58:32 PM
#70
You're on a bad mental path if this is what makes you angry and what you spend your time on. There's things out there that actually negatively affect you and other people.
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Topic"Teach men not to rape"
legendary_zell
10/20/19 2:45:59 PM
#88
pls posted...
legendary_zell posted...
There's also the fact that all crimes, including rape used to be way more common than they are now. Human nature probably didn't change fundamentally in the last few hundred years, so what happened? It wasn't increased punishment because the punishment for rape used to be death.

We literally taught people not to rape. Especially men. There's still more work to do on that, that's all people are saying.


Uh all crime has gone down and there's a lot of reasons for that. It has nothing really to do with "teaching men"


That's true of course, but I'd also say there's been a dramatic shift in the attitudes and sexual aggressiveness of men in Western societies at least and I think this is a crime that responds especially strongly to attitudes.
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Topic"Teach men not to rape"
legendary_zell
10/20/19 2:38:50 PM
#84
s0nicfan posted...
legendary_zell posted...

I think you could do that if it wasn't wielded as a weapon by anti-feminists or a way to victim blame. It has to be done as part of a general push for increased communication and sexual openness, not as a reaction against feminism. I've never seen that happen so far, but I'd support it if it could be done. Feminists are already pushing for it though in terms of advocating for increased sexual agency for women.

Women needing to be taught doesn't negate the fact that men also have much to learn.


This is completely fair. I'm just seeing a lot of acting like women don't have agency in these encounters, and if we are really trying to reduce the likelihood of these events happening and not just trying to shit on one gender, then a balanced approach to make sure both sides understand how to avoid sending or receiving mixed signals would be much more effective.


Agreed. Thanks for being reasonable.
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Topic"Teach men not to rape"
legendary_zell
10/20/19 2:37:35 PM
#83
There's also the fact that all crimes, including rape used to be way more common than they are now. Human nature probably didn't change fundamentally in the last few hundred years, so what happened? It wasn't increased punishment because the punishment for rape used to be death.

We literally taught people not to rape. Especially men. There's still more work to do on that, that's all people are saying.
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Topic"Teach men not to rape"
legendary_zell
10/20/19 2:32:12 PM
#75
s0nicfan posted...
legendary_zell posted...
Well the actual, real life situations where these things happen are confusing and ambiguous. That's the problem. We have to prepare people to handle that ambiguity and not just barrel ahead assuming they have consent. Just a little hesitation, a little questioning, a little thinking about the situation can help a lot.

Equipping guys with those tools isn't maligning them or accusing them of all being animals or rapists in waiting. It's harm prevention. Just like in elementary school you actually do have to affirmatively teach all children not to simply hit people even when they're mad or frustrated or feel threatened. Some people wouldn't do it anyway but a lot more people will do it if you don't give them strategies on how to avoid it.


I mean, you can also teach women to be less ambiguous in their revoking of consent if the problem is not correctly interpreting mixed signals, but I'm guessing people would consider the idea offensive, so let's go back to talking about how men need to be taught not to rape.


I think you could do that if it wasn't wielded as a weapon by anti-feminists or a way to victim blame. It has to be done as part of a general push for increased communication and sexual openness, not as a reaction against feminism. I've never seen that happen so far, but I'd support it if it could be done. Feminists are already pushing for it though in terms of advocating for increased sexual agency for women.

Women needing to be taught doesn't negate the fact that men also have much to learn.
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Topic"Teach men not to rape"
legendary_zell
10/20/19 2:21:21 PM
#64
berlyman101 posted...
legendary_zell posted...
A lot of people actually don't understand sexual scripts and consent. We're not talking about jump out from behind the bush and drag you into an alley rapists. That's a relatively small group of rapists anyway. Most rapists are known to their victims. We're talking about them rapists that know their victims, that interact with them repeatedly, and that ignore signs or statements withdrawing consent.

If you ask people whether rape is okay, even rapists will say no. That doesn't mean anything. But when you start talking to people about specific situations and what is okay and what is not, you will receive some shocking answers and thats where the teaching comes in. Basic actual teaching about how to navigate consent safely would fix a lot of things and save a lot of pain for everyone. Instead, we leave it up to parents who don't wanna talk about it and teens to share info with each other when there's no guarantee they have any idea what they're talking about.


A lot of those shocking answers come from misleading or confusingly presented scenarios. They don't describe the actual rape.


Well the actual, real life situations where these things happen are confusing and ambiguous. That's the problem. We have to prepare people to handle that ambiguity and not just barrel ahead assuming they have consent. Just a little hesitation, a little questioning, a little thinking about the situation can help a lot.

Equipping guys with those tools isn't maligning them or accusing them of all being animals or rapists in waiting. It's harm prevention. Just like in elementary school you actually do have to affirmatively teach all children not to simply hit people even when they're mad or frustrated or feel threatened. Some people wouldn't do it anyway but a lot more people will do it if you don't give them strategies on how to avoid it.
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Topic"Teach men not to rape"
legendary_zell
10/20/19 2:07:31 PM
#58
A lot of people actually don't understand sexual scripts and consent. We're not talking about jump out from behind the bush and drag you into an alley rapists. That's a relatively small group of rapists anyway. Most rapists are known to their victims. We're talking about them rapists that know their victims, that interact with them repeatedly, and that ignore signs or statements withdrawing consent.

If you ask people whether rape is okay, even rapists will say no. That doesn't mean anything. But when you start talking to people about specific situations and what is okay and what is not, you will receive some shocking answers and thats where the teaching comes in. Basic actual teaching about how to navigate consent safely would fix a lot of things and save a lot of pain for everyone. Instead, we leave it up to parents who don't wanna talk about it and teens to share info with each other when there's no guarantee they have any idea what they're talking about.
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TopicLol, the replies to this Ben Garrison cartoon
legendary_zell
10/20/19 1:57:44 PM
#66
The working classes of the world must unite! Unite in class stuggle! Thanks for inspiring me, Ben.
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TopicTulsi WRECKS Hillary
legendary_zell
10/18/19 8:55:46 PM
#90
Fuparulez posted...
Tulsi wrecked Hillary when she adopted Hillary's stance on abortion from the mid 2000s. She reminded the left wing base what the Democrats USED to be, which was a bunch of fairly reasonable people, in contrast to what they are now, which is absolute crazy. "Yeah, let's abort babies after they're born!" Huhwhat?


Show me a single Democrat in power anywhere in America that has seriously advocated for that and I'll donate to Tulsi's campaign right now.
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TopicTurkey effectively holding 50 US nukes hostage at airbase amid invasion.
legendary_zell
10/16/19 7:06:17 PM
#41
No Democratic president could survive this Syria/Kurds/Turkey fiasco. They'd be crucified by the media and Congress.
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TopicWait, people are seriously angry about Ellen and Dubya hanging out?
legendary_zell
10/16/19 1:16:13 PM
#46
Annihilated posted...
Leftists: "We don't tolerate intolerance!"
Ellen: "Hey you guys maybe we shouldn't hate people just because we disagree with them."
Leftists: "We don't tolerate tolerance!"


You legitimately can't read. This has been painstakingly explained to you at a Sesame Street level and you refuse to understand. It's about acts, not beliefs or disagreements. That level of reading comprehension explains the nonsensical things you've posted on this website.
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TopicWait, people are seriously angry about Ellen and Dubya hanging out?
legendary_zell
10/15/19 12:12:28 AM
#30
EvenSpoonier posted...
Forgive me if I can't see anything wrong with treating the opposition like people.


It's not because they're "the opposition". It's mostly the killing and torture and lying to facilitate those two that some don't like. Just to reiterate that.

People say they want more than same thing both sides or two narrow corporate parties but seem to cherish a "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" version of politics where they're just two sides saying the "opposite" of each other with no actual lives affected. Well lives are affected very negatively and some people act accordingly.

Again, would all of you hang out with a person you believed unjustly killed many people?
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TopicWait, people are seriously angry about Ellen and Dubya hanging out?
legendary_zell
10/14/19 11:54:47 PM
#28
Annihilated posted...
legendary_zell posted...
Annihilated posted...
legendary_zell posted...
It's not about ideological disagreements or enforcing ideological purity. It's about actions. War crimes and lying a country into a war specifically. How many murderers or pedophiles do you hang out with? Would you hang out with someone who ordered the death thousands of innocent people?


Pro-Tip: Simply going to war is not a "war crime."


Yes, but drone striking civilians, starting a war on false pretenses, torturing people etc are war crimes. Even his own terrorism chief thinks he committed multiple war crimes. Again this guy is personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the displacement of many times that. To say that these things should be overlooked in the name of civility or for the sake of being able to go "off the clock" either means that you think these things didn't happen (factually wrong) or that the lives of Iraqi and Pakistani civilians don't matter. Or that politics should be like that cartoon where Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog clock out at the end of the day and pretend that nothing they did counts.

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/09/ellen-degeneres-george-bush/


Civilians were casualties, not targets. The war was started on false intel, not false pretenses. Guantanamo was around for decades. You can stop lying now, you're only saying these things to be angry about something.


This is pure projection. Just because you're either a nihilist with no values or a chud with horrible ones doesn't mean that others are. I genuinely don't like torture, wars, and hundreds of thousands of "collateral damage" deaths. Regardless of when they started or who did caused them to happen.

This isn't a game where the aim is to trigger the libs/chuds. My goal is to make specific things happen or to stop them from happening.
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TopicWait, people are seriously angry about Ellen and Dubya hanging out?
legendary_zell
10/14/19 11:09:01 PM
#22
Annihilated posted...
legendary_zell posted...
It's not about ideological disagreements or enforcing ideological purity. It's about actions. War crimes and lying a country into a war specifically. How many murderers or pedophiles do you hang out with? Would you hang out with someone who ordered the death thousands of innocent people?


Pro-Tip: Simply going to war is not a "war crime."


Yes, but drone striking civilians, starting a war on false pretenses, torturing people etc are war crimes. Even his own terrorism chief thinks he committed multiple war crimes. Again this guy is personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the displacement of many times that. To say that these things should be overlooked in the name of civility or for the sake of being able to go "off the clock" either means that you think these things didn't happen (factually wrong) or that the lives of Iraqi and Pakistani civilians don't matter. Or that politics should be like that cartoon where Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog clock out at the end of the day and pretend that nothing they did counts.

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/09/ellen-degeneres-george-bush/
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TopicWait, people are seriously angry about Ellen and Dubya hanging out?
legendary_zell
10/14/19 11:00:47 PM
#14
Alucard188 posted...
I hate what social media has done. Nobody can turn off anymore. You're either for us or against us. You're either a paragon of everything people stand for, or you're a pariah. People are fucking stupid.


Dude's not a random on social media that posted a spicy take online and got cancelled. He's a former President for god's sake that started two wars. What kind of politics do we have if we can't even ostracize war criminals? We're just supposed to pretend they didn't do that to appear tolerant?
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TopicWait, people are seriously angry about Ellen and Dubya hanging out?
legendary_zell
10/14/19 10:53:12 PM
#7
It's not about ideological disagreements or enforcing ideological purity. It's about actions. War crimes and lying a country into a war specifically. How many murderers or pedophiles do you hang out with? Would you hang out with someone who ordered the death thousands of innocent people?
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Topic>_> I might actually be a communist
legendary_zell
10/14/19 10:34:21 PM
#19
ssjevot posted...
A post scarcity society like you see in Star Trek (with the exception of Latinum which unsurprisingly continues to allow capitalism to exist) would have no use for an economic system. Economics is the study of how we balance people's unlimited wants, with the scarcity of resources. Sometimes this scarcity is artificial (like IP, information is not actually a scarce resource, but legal barriers are added to force scarcity where none would exist), but the difference between say capitalism and socialism is the manner in which scarce resources are produced and distributed. If scarcity doesn't exist (as in Star Wars) there is no need for an economic system. So looking at Star Trek for economic ideas for modern society isn't very useful, because the entire world economy is driven by the issue of scarcity.


End stage communism is barely an economic system in the same way that capitalism and socialism are. The state withers away, along with private property. Ownership of whatever is producing the limitless resources would hypothetically be in common. At that point, it's basically the difference between a few families owning it or everyone owning it.
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Topic>_> I might actually be a communist
legendary_zell
10/14/19 10:23:29 PM
#11
Fuparulez posted...
Star Trek is definitely not communistical in nature because participation is voluntary. They have enough energy that people who don't really want to work don't have to. The crew of the Enterprise weren't gathered through a press gang.


That's not an inherent part of communism, it's just what tends to happen because none of the communist countries that have existed so far are post-industrial, much less Star Trek level. Plus those governments were way more focused on being-non capitalist and authoritarian than they were with worker solidarity and all that jazz.

Could be different when super robots are doing everything.
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TopicIn Iraq, religious 'pleasure marriages' are a front for child prostitution
legendary_zell
10/14/19 10:14:02 PM
#49
I don't pretend to be a scholar on Islam, but is there anything about temporary marriages in the Quran? It seems like this is a cultural or just straight pedo practice with thin religious justifications. It's sex tourism/trafficking molded for an Islamic context, not an Islamic practice. Kinda like FGM is a cultural practice, not a religious one even though people try to meld them.
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TopicIllegal aliens have more priority than the American homeless.
legendary_zell
10/13/19 4:35:58 PM
#4
As far as I can tell it's the leftists who want to help both and the non-leftists who are stopping the homeless from being helped.
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TopicDo you agree with the statement: "Gamer rights are Human rights"?
legendary_zell
10/12/19 10:04:37 PM
#49
Gamers are destroying our public parks, uprooting our crops, and poisoning our water supplies. I heard all this on the radio. I think we should lock them all up. That doesn't make me gamerphobic though, that word is losing all meaning nowadays, ugh.
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TopicNBA cancels all media access for the rest of China visit
legendary_zell
10/11/19 12:03:58 PM
#11
Man, what a disaster. All from one off hand and completely correct tweet. It hurts that this is happening with my team too and it's my players and GM at the center.

I don't really expect the league or players to send themselves into an economic depression by being defiant here. We're dealing with a dystopian authoritarian government here that's currently genociding their own people and harvesting their organs and setting up an extreme surveillance and thought control oriented society. They won't think twice at causing extreme pain to the NBA as a whole for having the nerve to defend a free society.

At the same time, it's a really bad look to let them export that censorship here for the sake of money. It's a bad bad situation.
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TopicWeird how China became communist again
legendary_zell
10/10/19 11:33:39 AM
#49
How the actual left is responding to Sander's heart attack and this Hong Kong situation isn't making me confident that they've gotten rid of their worst impulses.

@averagejoel

You are often right, but your stance here isn't a good look. I don't think you'd be defending this stuff if the label of the government doing it was changed from ostensibly communist to neoliberal.
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TopicWhat ever happened to the CE vs RI feud?
legendary_zell
10/09/19 12:13:50 AM
#32
It collapsed like the Soviet Union.
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TopicEllen Degeneres defends her friendship with war criminal
legendary_zell
10/08/19 9:20:26 AM
#10
People can be friends with whoever they want. But the only way to be friends with someone like Bush is to compartmentalize what he did in office. The chaos and death he caused abroad and the slowing progress on LGBT issues by supporting a constitutional ban on same sex marriage are especially relevant here. No one is immune from judgment for bad decisions.
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