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Pre-game HYPE post.
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Pushing your way to the front of the stage, yea or nay?
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Pushing your way to as close to the stage as possible, yea or nay?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

@karlpilkington4 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Alabama seems to think so.

That just means they're wrong.

Why exactly?

Can the fetus survive outside the womb, if not it's not a baby. If it's not a baby it's not murder.

Your attempt at a semantic word game is not strong enough of an argument anymore.

So then explain how I am wrong.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

s0nicfan posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

The thing that's always gotten me about the pro life crowd is their unwillingness to fund social safety nets that help these children and families post birth

Like, they'll object to higher taxes and support cuts to programs like WIC and SNAP, saying things like "why should I pay for your life choices" but in the same breath, deny people said choice in the first place

Logically, it has to be one or the other; if you demand that these children be born to families that can't support them, then you need to be ready to pay for the outcome of your beliefs

I'm pro-choice but I wanted to engage this argument because I think it misrepresents the opposing viewpoint and we're only going to win this fight if we understand where the opposition is coming from.

You're saying that it has to be one or the other, but that's because you're not framing it the way they would. Their argument is one of personal responsibility, and they see both as an attempt to escape from it. Not using appropriate protection, getting pregnant, and then getting an abortion to them is escaping the repercussions of their decisions. Similarly, not using appropriate protection, getting pregnant, and then expecting others to pay to raise your child is just another form of the same problem.

They're not demanding that people have kids and then expecting them to raise them without financial support. What they're demanding is for people to start realizing that there are serious consequences to unprotected sex and to start acting more responsibly rather than looking for more ways to do what you want without having to deal with the consequences. To them, the cheapest and most effective plan to avoid all of this is to just use a condom.

Now, obviously you get into contradictions when you start talking about rape victims or abstinence-only Christian conservatives, but both represent a relatively small percentage of the larger debate.

That's a fair understanding but it totally misses the point getting an abortion is taking personal responsibility, my wife had one when she was 16 and she has a friend that has had 2 since her first child(single mother) and both of them went through pretty bad emotional turmoil because of them. The majority of people don't get abortions to dodge responsibility, they get them because it is the most responsible thing to do at the time.

Abstinence, adoption and protection are all simple ways to not be in that situation. Killing a life is not a responsible choice. .

You haven't responded to my previous response to you.
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s0nicfan posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

The thing that's always gotten me about the pro life crowd is their unwillingness to fund social safety nets that help these children and families post birth

Like, they'll object to higher taxes and support cuts to programs like WIC and SNAP, saying things like "why should I pay for your life choices" but in the same breath, deny people said choice in the first place

Logically, it has to be one or the other; if you demand that these children be born to families that can't support them, then you need to be ready to pay for the outcome of your beliefs

I'm pro-choice but I wanted to engage this argument because I think it misrepresents the opposing viewpoint and we're only going to win this fight if we understand where the opposition is coming from.

You're saying that it has to be one or the other, but that's because you're not framing it the way they would. Their argument is one of personal responsibility, and they see both as an attempt to escape from it. Not using appropriate protection, getting pregnant, and then getting an abortion to them is escaping the repercussions of their decisions. Similarly, not using appropriate protection, getting pregnant, and then expecting others to pay to raise your child is just another form of the same problem.

They're not demanding that people have kids and then expecting them to raise them without financial support. What they're demanding is for people to start realizing that there are serious consequences to unprotected sex and to start acting more responsibly rather than looking for more ways to do what you want without having to deal with the consequences. To them, the cheapest and most effective plan to avoid all of this is to just use a condom.

Now, obviously you get into contradictions when you start talking about rape victims or abstinence-only Christian conservatives, but both represent a relatively small percentage of the larger debate.

That's a fair understanding but it totally misses the point getting an abortion is taking personal responsibility, my wife had one when she was 16 and she has a friend that has had 2 since her first child(single mother) and both of them went through pretty bad emotional turmoil because of them. The majority of people don't get abortions to dodge responsibility, they get them because it is the most responsible thing to do at the time.
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NeoShadowhen posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Deedice posted...

jborgan posted...

People who call it murder aren't worth having a discussion with.

Its only worth discussing things with people who think the same as you? Thats really close-minded

It has nothing to do with only speaking with people that agree with you, it has more to do with not wasting time with people that refuse to be intellectually honest.

For example, I pointed out that a fetus is not a baby because a fetus cannot survive outside the womb. A person that calls abortion murder instead of attempting to refute that point just decided to go off on a tangent about semantics. That is an e ample of how those people work. They don't actually care about having a discussion and want to just plug their ears and ignore everything that is said to them. That is why it's not worth having g a discussion with them.

So would you agree that abortion after the point of viability is murder?

If the baby can survive outside the womb then yes I would consider it murder. Which would mean considering that 50 to 70% of babies born at 25 weeks survive that would be a reasonable cut off for abortions. For comparison only 20 to 30% of babies born at 24 weeks survive. So actually, 24 weeks would make the reasonable cut off.
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More than I can count both as an active participant and as a doorman breaking them up.
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Deedice posted...

Youre acting as if this example is much more prevalent than it is. Thats a pretty dishonest method of getting your point across

The fact that it is an example is so abhorrent that it pretty much makes defending the law pretty bad.
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Deedice posted...

jborgan posted...

People who call it murder aren't worth having a discussion with.

Its only worth discussing things with people who think the same as you? Thats really close-minded

It has nothing to do with only speaking with people that agree with you, it has more to do with not wasting time with people that refuse to be intellectually honest.

For example, I pointed out that a fetus is not a baby because a fetus cannot survive outside the womb. A person that calls abortion murder instead of attempting to refute that point just decided to go off on a tangent about semantics. That is an e ample of how those people work. They don't actually care about having a discussion and want to just plug their ears and ignore everything that is said to them. That is why it's not worth having g a discussion with them.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nah, squirrels run the world.

I wonder if a cat would find a squirrel tasty?

They'll never know.
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karlpilkington4 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Alabama seems to think so.

That just means they're wrong.

Why exactly?

Can the fetus survive outside the womb, if not it's not a baby. If it's not a baby it's not murder.

Your attempt at a semantic word game is not strong enough of an argument anymore.

So then explain how I am wrong.
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karlpilkington4 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Alabama seems to think so.

That just means they're wrong.

Why exactly?

Can the fetus survive outside the womb, if not it's not a baby. If it's not a baby it's not murder.
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Nah, squirrels run the world.
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Yes. But it's only because I am crazy.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neither of my kids had a single problem with teething.

Dude, I'm jealous.

For a stretch of time, my daughter was whining or crying like 4+ hours a day over her teeth. It was awful.

Yea, we got super lucky. Both of them were great sleepers too.
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vocedelmorte posted...

candyapplered posted...

vocedelmorte posted...

Zikten posted...

vocedelmorte posted...

There was a movie similar to this, but i forgot what it called cause it wasn't anything special.
Looks interesting though

Probably thinking of The Wickerman

But there have been many movies with this kind of plot

Mysterious pagan community existing in modern age, and outsiders visit and observe a ritual

It was something more recent, but you right, there are many movies with that kind of plot. Maybe it was the Witch, maybe another even more mediocre movie about evil pagan gods >_>

The Endless kind of had a similar vibe and it's recent.

Yeah i was trying to actually look it up, but i dont have much memories of that movie lol maybe it was the Shrine (i edited it in my previous post cause it wasn't the Witch, it was modern times)

Not the Endless, it was about tourists or something coming to some East European (?) village where they encounter the cult

The ritual?
Nvm, I see it was already said and that was the movie.
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Neither of my kids had a single problem with teething.
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My kids love PB&H, personally I hate PB. So I have to go GC all the way.
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Obellisk posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Oh shit. T-minus 365 days until terrible twos.

Not a real thing. They don't get terrible till like 3

I'm jealous. My son started at 2, he's good now, it only lasted until about 3 and a half. My daughter on the other hand, whoo-whee, she went from being an adorable baby to angsty teenager. She skipped being a toddler and childhood.
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God damn. That is going to be intense.
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Oh shit. T-minus 365 days until terrible twos.
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They first bump in hockey all the time, which my daughter gets to start next year. It will be my son's third year.
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I remember the first time my kids gave me a thumbs up. It was awesome.

Also, we high 5 as well because high 5's are great.
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wg64Z posted...

Steiner posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Noticed the last one purged and I have a good story about my son I wanted to share.

So my son is in the throes of learning to read. He's doing well, and yesterday I wrote a word that I wanted him to read. The word? "Poop!" He got it and we had a good laugh.

Is this what passes for fun when you have kids

Kids saying poop is hilarious and you're dead inside if you think otherwise.

Dunno if this is weird or not, but my Wife made our son an Email address which we wont give him the password to until he's in his teens. We periodically send him emails about what's happening at the time, or funny things hes done. He will probably hate it. Maybe we should only give it to him when he's passed the angsty years.

Omfg, that is amazing. I think I might do this for both my kids.
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Steiner posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Noticed the last one purged and I have a good story about my son I wanted to share.

So my son is in the throes of learning to read. He's doing well, and yesterday I wrote a word that I wanted him to read. The word? "Poop!" He got it and we had a good laugh.

Is this what passes for fun when you have kids

It's the little things in life that I enjoy.
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Noticed the last one purged and I have a good story about my son I wanted to share.

So my son is in the throes of learning to read. He's doing well, and yesterday I wrote a word that I wanted him to read. The word? "Poop!" He got it and we had a good laugh.
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I considered it, but I just got back into ff14 and between that and apex legends it won't be worth it.
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My
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AlephZero posted...

zero post topic

You made sure that didn't happen.
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If you feel comfortable enough with the fact that your party will completely disregard your "plan" and do whatever they want, then yes go for it and make your own story. There are tricks you can use to get your party to where you want them to go. Like if they come to a fork in the road, which ever path they take leads them to where you want them to go.
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I do, but my wife doesn't.
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Parappa09 posted...

dare you to take a picture of your view rn and post it

Do have anything that doesn't involve me having to post pictures?
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

But I have done it in the past at a retail job.

Were you undetected by your coworkers/managers?

Yes. I can actually function quite well on hallucinogens. There have been many times I have been high as fuck on acid and/or mushrooms and people haven't been able to tell until I have told them.

Impressive.

sometimes its all about making sure you are constantly aware in your mind that everything that you see is because of the drugs.

on topic, no i've heard of having flashbacks or something after taking lsd (where you feel minor similar effects later without having taken the drug again) and that would bother me.

That's definitely the big thing. As long as you can keep yourself grounded in reality, hallucinogens won't ever fuck with you to the point of no return. The best coping tool I have passed on to first timers is to constantly remind themselves that they are high on <blank>.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

But I have done it in the past at a retail job.

Were you undetected by your coworkers/managers?

Yes. I can actually function quite well on hallucinogens. There have been many times I have been high as fuck on acid and/or mushrooms and people haven't been able to tell until I have told them.
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But I have done it in the past at a retail job.
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No. I make more than that in a month and I could kill people.
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Hexenherz posted...

username matches

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Bump.
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Parappa09 posted...

i dare you to go up to your wife/message her and say that you've peed yourself

Done. I have the screenshot but it will have to wait until I get home. She didn't respond in text and called me almost immediately because she thought I might have a serious medical issue and wanted to make sure I was ok.

Also, I'll take another date.
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Only with my teeth.

Edit: fucking ninja'd
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Parappa09 posted...

i dare you to post what's on your pasteboard (ctrl+v)

I'm on mobile and I currently have nothing on my paste board. Give me another.
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Parappa09 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Another.

have you ever been tempted by other women, since you got married?

If you're asking if other women have attempted to seduce me, yes. If you're asking if I have ever seriously considered cheating, no.

Give me a dare.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

I can't think of any date ideas that work when we both live with our parents and we work opposite hours with different days off, on top of everything else I've mentioned.

The texting has gone on for way too long and I'm dragging it into awkwardness territory for how much I've been stalling. She clearly isn't ever going to initiate the plans because she's just as shy as I am.

I mean...can you guys really not get where I'm coming from? I'm trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

I don't know...

Deep down I really do want this but I know I'm incapable so I have to comfort myself with excuses that it's impossible...

If you really wanted to do it, deep down, you would.
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Parappa09 posted...

have you ever sent those pics to someone else other than your wife?

No.

Another.
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Parappa09 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Another.

when's the last time you send someone nudes of yourself?

I send my wife unsolicited dick pics all the time.

Another.
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Parappa09 posted...

do you ever feel nervous or anxious when posting on CE?

No.

Another.
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I'll take a truth.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

It's just not in me to traditionally date. I'm completely incompatible with it.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

I've never once in my life actually gone on an actual date.

You can't know the first one is true if the second is true.

I know what encompasses a date and it's pretty goddamn similar to just going out with friends, which I have experienced, and combined with my socialising style, which is another known variable, I can make a pretty accurate wager.

Like I said you can't know 1 to be true if 2 is true.
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