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TopicPost Boss Music here
ElatedVenusaur
10/05/19 8:30:00 PM
#71

The Divine Powers were really neat, though it's lame you couldn't side with them I mean, plenty of SMT games let you go for obvious trap factions/reasons/whatever, including SMT4:A
TopicThis is the 24 y/o MARINE who claims Elizabeth Warren paid him for BONDAGE SEX!!
ElatedVenusaur
10/05/19 8:15:34 PM
#13
If Sen. Warren is banging male prostitutes a third her age, well, more power to her.
This is as convincing as a toddler's drawing of a dragon though.
TopicThe atmosphere at my local Wendys was so depressing today >_>
ElatedVenusaur
10/05/19 7:36:31 PM
#4
Benify posted...
Stay in school, kids.

There's a good chance the worker is either working part-time while going to school, or saving up for school, because college is really expensive.
At least that's how it is at Whole Foods.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 10:30:00 PM
#198
LampChop posted...
DarkRoast posted...
LampChop posted...
Omnislasher posted...
Ethan Weiss, a cardiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, said the stent procedure Sanders underwent typically is not anything I would get too excited about, calling it "mostly a nuisance."

Weiss, who did not diagnose Sanders, added, "Unless Im missing something dramatic, he should be in the hospital one or two days, and he should be fine.


https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/02/sanders-has-heart-stent-surgery-after-chest-discomfort-000164


Face palm


That doesn't mean what you think it means.

He's saying Sanders didn't have any definable acute coronary syndrome, just coronary artery disease that resulted in stent placement.

Yeah, no. It has been confirmed to be a heart attack.

A very minor heart attack, thankfully. Or, at least, I assume it must be if he's walking out of the hospital two days later and anticipates getting back on the campaign trail soon(probably even before the 10/15 debate). The stents should keep the coronary artery clear.
TopicAbout to start Pillars of Eternity. What am I in for
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 10:00:11 PM
#4
A good but decidedly not great game that drags in the middle and has a villain who is largely absent.
The second game is pretty great though, which increases the value of the first one a bit.
TopicBernie Just Left the Hospital!
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 6:25:07 PM
#1
https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1180244683496157185
That's a video.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1180245072614494215
And a Twitter statement.

It seems Sen. Sanders was diagnosed with a "myocardial infarction" a.k.a. a heart attack, which was treated by unblocking his coronary artery with two stents. It, thankfully, must have been pretty minor.
Topic" I will be impeached, Democrats have the votes'' - DonaldTrump.
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 6:19:57 PM
#38
The House voting for impeachment is mostly symbolic, in this case. It's basically objective fact that Trump has committed impeachable offenses, but the Ukraine business is so obviously malfeasant even the skittish moderate Dems got off the fence.
The political upside is simple: the Democrats have increased authority and power to go after stuff in their investigations(and some less courageous and/or loyal Trump lackeys will squeal) and get to very publicly stand up to and rebuke an unpopular president(and there's some evidence his popularity is sinking further), whereas the Republicans will just as publicly be seen defending him from consequences.
Also it makes Trump really goddamned angry and he's never going to stop crying about it.

If he were actually convicted by the Senate(LOL), he could be barred from seeking public office.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 6:09:36 PM
#194
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1180239325390397443
Bernie's been discharged. There he is leaving the hospital.
TopicPost Boss Music here
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 5:38:41 PM
#68
Fire Emblem - Softly with Grace

"Tell me, are you afraid to die?" -Ursula

Fire Emblem - Everything Into Dark


Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - To Challenge Ashnard


The Black Knight's theme gets all the attention, but, IMO, Ashnard's is even better.

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn - A Grasping Truth


You can say a lot of bad things about Radiant Dawn(and many of them are true!) but try to tell me this final boss theme isn't epic. Unlike the others, this one isn't extended: it's actually 9 minutes long, because it plays over the map too!

Fire Emblem: Awakening - Mastermind(w/Intro)

This always felt like Walhart's Theme to me.
TopicAOC groupie loses her mind at climate control townhall; suggests eating babies
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 4:23:59 PM
#60
tennisdude818 posted...
Sounds like this was a LaRouche PAC. Its a political cult. Weird to see how that group is pro Trump because Lyndon LaRouche was mostly a leftist.

They are nutso. With LaRouche being dead now, Im not sure what the hell they are even doing but hey, they are finally back on the news for a change.

LaRouche...definitely wasn't a leftist. Or a rightist. Not in any coherent sense.
Wikipedia
LaRouche established contacts with Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby and elements of the Ku Klux Klan in 1974.[71] Frank Donner and Randall Rothenberg wrote that he made successful overtures to the Liberty Lobby and George Wallace's American Independent Party, adding that the "racist" policies of LaRouche's U.S. Labor Party endeared it to members of the Ku Klux Klan.[72] George Michael, in Willis Carto and the American Far Right, says that LaRouche shared with the Liberty Lobby's Willis Carto an antipathy towards the Rockefeller family.[73] The Liberty Lobby defended its alliance with LaRouche by saying the U.S. Labor Party had been able to "confuse, disorient, and disunify the Left."[73]


Wikipedia
In 1976, LaRouche campaigned for the first time in a presidential election as a U.S. Labor Party candidate, polling 40,043 votes (0.05 percent). It was the first of eight consecutive presidential elections in which he took part between 1976 and 2004. It enabled him to attract $5.9 million in federal matching funds; candidates seeking their party's presidential nomination qualify for matching funds if they raise $5,000 in each of at least 20 states.[92] His platform predicted financial disaster by 1980 accompanied by famine and the virtual extinction of the human race within 15 years, and proposed a debt moratorium; nationalization of banks; government investment in industry especially in the aerospace sector, and an "International Development Bank" to facilitate higher food production.[93] When Legionnaires' disease appeared in the U.S. that year, he said it was a continuation of the swine flu outbreak, and that senators who opposed vaccination were suppressing the link as part of a "genocidal policy".[94]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

The only unifying thing in his worldview was himself.
TopicMitt Romney making a power play against Trump?
ElatedVenusaur
10/04/19 4:15:08 PM
#17
Mittens will vote for acquittal in the Senate along with Sasse and Rubio and everyone else the media has desperately tried to prop up as a "reasonable Republican". At this point, the safe bet is that there's nothing Trump can do that would make Republican electeds turn on him(short of embracing, say, amnesty for undocumented immigrants or socialized healthcare), because they need his base.
TopicI met 2 Republicans today that believe that Dems are wasting their time when the
ElatedVenusaur
10/03/19 7:33:19 PM
#3
They've passed literally dozens of bills that Moscow Mitch has studiously ignored, ranging from gun safety to election security to voting rights expansion.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/03/19 7:31:46 PM
#192
https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1179865016767410177
Bernie surrogates will be holding events this weekend: Rep. Ro Khanna in Iowa, San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz in New Hampshire, and former Ohio State Sen. Nina Turner in South Carolina.
TopicWhat are you listening to right now? V6
ElatedVenusaur
10/03/19 7:20:05 PM
#304
Excuse me, but I didn't post the best song (from Kim Petras' latest album).



In fact, it's pretty damned deep.
TopicBiden only raises $15 million in Q3; trails Buttigieg and Sanders
ElatedVenusaur
10/03/19 7:16:52 PM
#2
I think Warren is the only one who hasn't released now. It will be interesting to see how she did. My guess is not as well as Sanders but (much) better than Biden.

Also, LOL@Biden. He raised less than $4 million more than Kopmala "Canceled" Harris. Sad!
TopicWarren unveils labor plan to vastly expand workers' rights
ElatedVenusaur
10/03/19 10:38:32 AM
#6
MrMallard posted...
With Bernie out of the running with his heart problems, Warren might be the best choice going forward. A move like this does a lot of good for the working class.

Bernie would be out campaigning as I type this if the doctors(and presumably his family and staff) weren't urging to him the importance of rest.
Getting stents is a minimally-invasive procedure, they don't even knock you out for it. He'll be back out campaigning sooner rather than later.
TopicHot Take: Earth needs to be conquered and united under one rule for world peace
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 8:51:47 PM
#7
Even in Star Trek it took an apocalyptic war. A world government right now would necessarily have to be some hellish totalitarian dictatorship, because nobody wants it.
TopicDo you currently respect the Democrats?
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 8:21:13 PM
#2
There are good Democrats, people like The Squad, but the people who run the party wish they had the Republican Party's base and not one that constantly demands they do things their wealthy donors(and friends) don't like.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 6:25:38 PM
#184
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 5:31:30 PM
#180
Balrog0 posted...
I think this is really bad news for a campaign that was already sort of stuck below 20% and without any obvious potential early state victories

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nv/nevada_democratic_presidential_caucus-6866.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-6276.html
He seems to be in great shape in Nevada and in decent shape in New Hampshire? Bernie also has a history of over-performing his polling* and is strongest with groups who don't normally turn-out in primaries, which is why he's investing so much in ground game.
*Except in Southern states.

We're also still, what? 6** months away from actual voting?

**Actually 4. I am bad at math.
TopicWhat are you listening to right now? V6
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 2:38:36 PM
#298
Kim Petras - There Will Be Blood

TopicHelga was a psycopath honestly lol
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 12:35:59 PM
#33
AceMos posted...
tremain07 posted...
Wasn't her sister pretty messed up as well? I only saw an episode with her once but something about her felt very off

yes she is affraid of getting anything but As even as being perfect is all she has and its very self destructive

Yeah, Olga is portrayed as being extremely psychologically frail. The smallest set-back sends her spiraling into depression. The pressure she feels to be perfect has made her incapable of coping.
IIRC, there's even an episode where she gets into an abusive relationship(implied, of course) and Helga has to get her to see reason.
That's another point the series makes on occasion: Helga is wiser and better-grounded than her 20-something sister.
TopicHelga was a psycopath honestly lol
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 12:18:31 PM
#24
Behaviorism posted...
It's cute and funny because it was a girl. Notice how no one felt the same way about Curly's obsession with Rhonda

I mean, Rhonda isn't any better than Curly. I doubt they intended that, but even when they try to make her sympathetic, she's always horrible.
Helga's obsession for Arnold was always deeply unhealthy, but they chose to play it for laughs. It's still a cartoon.
And, of course, Helga is actually nice to Arnold on multiple occasions, none more significant than what she does in the Christmas episode. I think she's afraid he'll reject her because she seems to have low self-esteem and the whole tough-girl act is her overcompensating. In the end, Helga usually ends up doing the right thing for the right reasons.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 11:31:17 AM
#49
Tyranthraxus posted...
Sackgurl posted...
it seems unlikely that he drops out

he just raised 25 million


He also cancelled all spending in Iowa.

Seems likely that a dropout is incoming and he will donate his exploratory committee money to Warren

That's more likely lining up the ad buy with his campaign resuming.
Getting stents is a fairly minor procedure, he should be back to campaigning within the week.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 11:17:47 AM
#38
Sackgurl posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
Warren seems intent on repeating Obama's mistakes.


what is this opinion based on

Her willingness to play ball with the Democratic establishment.
https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-inside-fall-grassroots-machine
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/20/elizabeth-warren-dnc-fundraiser-1506567
Warren has pledged not to take PAC money nor do closed-door fundraisers, but only in the primary. And even then her pledge seems pretty narrow. Her willingness to take money from such sources; both in the past and the future, makes her sincerity questionable(for example, she's already pretending she doesn't know what "Medicare for All" is, even though she co-sponsored Bernie's bill)
And the DNC views any kind of political movement as a threat to its primacy and thus smothered the (highly effective) Obama campaign infrastructure practically as soon as Obama devolved it to their control. Warren seems willing to let it do the same to her campaign.
TopicBernie Sanders hospitalized.
ElatedVenusaur
10/02/19 10:58:10 AM
#23
Godnorgosh posted...
America's Dad Bernard Sanders :(

I kind of already figured we were fucked but if Sanders can't pull through and help turn this ship around, we're definitely fucked

Pretty much how I feel. Warren seems intent on repeating Obama's mistakes.
TopicThings you've learned from working?
ElatedVenusaur
10/01/19 8:38:53 PM
#31
-Some people turn their brains off when they enter a grocery store. Or perhaps they were always off?

-You won't get ahead unless the manager likes you.

-To expand on that: merit is not the primary factor in promotions. It's about presenting yourself as the kind of supervisor/assistant manager the manager thinks he wants. It's easier to do this if the manager doesn't know you already.

-The "Peter Principle" is accurate.

-Workers are not people, they are a line item under "Expenses" which must be minimized.

-Local management is screwed just as hard as we are, they just make more money. Some of them are even good people doing the best they can.

-I once witnessed a coworker literally in tears over how badly a customer treated her. Management gave the customer who had reduced her to tears a free cake to mollify him, because they aim to "satisfy and delight our customers", especially when they shouldn't.

-Women's bathrooms are always more disgusting than men's. Perhaps it's because a grocery store's clientele skews that way, perhaps it's because some women cannot stand the idea of profaning their bottoms with the seat of a public toilet and piss all over the seat, forcing other women to do the same.

-Men, for some reason, are vastly more likely to attempt to flush paper towels down the toilet, in defiance of the sign that warns them against doing so because they almost invariably get stuck.

-Some customers are eager to get one over the store, like the guy who was incredibly hot and bothered over the plastic-wrapped organic cauliflowers being next to conventional cabbages, thus somehow contaminating them. Through the plastic.

-It's only free if it rings at a higher price than it should, not if it doesn't ring up. Sorry.

-The salad dressing from the salad bar and the little packages of oyster crackers aren't free, and you shouldn't doxx hapless employees on Yelp! for not endangering their jobs to save you 29 cents.
TopicThe Dallas cop who shot their neighbor is found guilty
ElatedVenusaur
10/01/19 3:33:05 PM
#28
It's about time one of these cases went the right way for once.
TopicSuper Jumping in SMRPG... (SNES Classic)
ElatedVenusaur
10/01/19 10:16:41 AM
#6
MC_BatCommander posted...
IIRC it gets more difficult as you go. Isn't the window for the jump timing only like 3 frames?

That would explain why I could never get past ~90 or so. That's ridiculous.
TopicPost Boss Music here
ElatedVenusaur
10/01/19 10:08:24 AM
#54

I could post both the Black/White and Black/White 2 versions, or I could post this slamming USUM remix. He's still blatantly homicidal!



The first theme is Lucifer testing you. The second theme is him pissed off. His battle themes blow poor Merkabah's out of the water, in any case.


That one's a bit of a spoiler. Yes game, I get it, I'm on the Law or Chaos path, I'm a horrible person, thank you.
TopicYou're sexist if you vote for Sanders over Warren.
ElatedVenusaur
09/29/19 12:34:25 PM
#9
Antifar posted...
I suppose it's better than 2016: https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1178279300010786816

LOL.
For those who dont click the link, its Harvey Weinstein on MSNBC in 2016 calling Bernie a sexist.
TopicCNN credits freshman congresswomen for leading impeachment push
ElatedVenusaur
09/29/19 11:25:29 AM
#2
The last people to figure out we should impeach Trump definitely deserve the credit, good job CNN, there definitely wasn't anyone pushing for it for a year or more.
TopicBojack Horseman The Final Season
ElatedVenusaur
09/29/19 11:02:14 AM
#13
Leanaunfurled posted...
tbh I half expect him to die at the end >_>

I'm also really interested in what direction Mr. Peanutbutter heads in. His character and issues was always more subtle than Bojack's.

I do like that Season 5 actually explored his issues more closely. His scene in the trailer is hilarious.
So was Princess Caroline and Diane.
I also don't think they'll go total downer with the ending of the show.
TopicNFL Week 4 Topic
ElatedVenusaur
09/29/19 1:05:56 AM
#4
Well, it was nice being undefeated, but we struggled to beat literally the Jets and Bengals, so I always knew we were frauds.
Go Bills though!
TopicIt shouldn't be considered "gay" to like trans women
ElatedVenusaur
09/27/19 11:43:19 PM
#21
littlebro07 posted...
dartman posted...
pls posted...
Only if they've transitioned and you couldn't tell the difference


You always can tell the difference though


Eh, not always. There are some very beautiful post-op women, obviously they're the ones who had a shitload of money to afford all the work but still, they're out there.

It's also being caught and treated earlier, so some transwomen are fortunate and don't go through male puberty, so they basically end up going through the correct puberty and are indistinguishable from ciswomen(like ciswomen, they're not guaranteed to be hot, of course).

Ultimately; however, discussion of how attractive transwomen are or aren't tends to end up being demeaning. It's about bringing their bodies closer to their true selves.
TopicRemember when Obama using a selfie stick was considered a major scandal?
ElatedVenusaur
09/27/19 10:52:10 AM
#16
Jeff_Garcia7 posted...
Remember when he took us into an illegal war, bailed out the worst financial criminals, and it wasn't a scandal.

The Libyan intervention was well-intentioned, which makes it better than most of our interventions, even if the outcome was, ultimately, indistinguishable from the usual.
But true.
TopicTulsi Gabbard continues delusional and unproductive run with delusion
ElatedVenusaur
09/27/19 10:31:17 AM
#63
She's also just now backed away from Bernie's Medicare for All bill. She instead wants a nebulous public option and the ability for Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices, which is about as ambitious and progressive as overcooked oatmeal.
TopicDemocrats: "We will sit out or vote Trump if you nominate Warren"
ElatedVenusaur
09/26/19 10:31:44 PM
#50
Godnorgosh posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
imagine calling literal Nate silver a dumbass and expecting anyone to take you seriously lmao


He's great with statistics, but can't seem to make basic connections like "polling at 1% = probably not very electable."

It's worth mentioning he said in 2012 he was probably going to vote for Gary Johnson.
Also, he spent basically the entire 2016 primary campaign insisting Trump couldn't win the Republican nomination for ~reasons~ and is weirdly insistent that Amy Klobuchar is super electable because ???
He's really good with numbers, but he's bad as a pundit, even compared to other pundits.
TopicDemocrats: "We will sit out or vote Trump if you nominate Warren"
ElatedVenusaur
09/26/19 10:22:58 PM
#47
Godnorgosh posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
I mean, this probably tells you that voting for Warren (or Sanders) is a good idea, whether you agree with all of their ideas or not.


We really should be careful not to conflate Sanders and Warren. Warren's pulled some kinda sleazy shit this cycle, she's been really shaky on M4A, she favors means-tested solutions over universal ones, etc. There is only one America's Dad, Bernard Sanders.

Yeah, lots of people(especially liberals) like to pretend as though Warren and Sanders are interchangeable on policy, but if you bother to actually dig into it, you find that, on virtually every front, Sanders is significantly to Warren's left. His proposed policies are bigger, bolder, and broader. You can make the argument that Warren's policies are more possible, but I would counter that by acknowledging the framing that something is impossible, you are, in effect, insuring that it isn't! If it comes down to it, I'm sure Bernie will compromise, but I know he'll fight for the best possible compromises in a way Warren is already signaling that she won't.

Also, it bears mentioning, since this is something that's basically never discussed, but they're night-and-day on foreign policy. Warren is extremely orthodox in that sense(and possibly even more pro-Israel than normal), whereas Sanders, for example, seems deeply skeptical of our "special relationships" with Israel and Saudi Arabia and is very dovish across the board.
Basically, anyone whose conflating them is either misinformed or gas-lighting.
TopicSo serious question, was Jesus a real person?
ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 11:26:37 PM
#49
There isn't much evidence of Jesus of Nazareth, but, then, you wouldn't expect much contemporary evidence of a man who died in an obscure backwater as one of many obscure apocalyptic Jewish prophets. He didn't become relevant until centuries after his death.

There is; however, some evidence for the existence of Pontius Pilate and Caphaiphus(sp?) that attests to their existence in the place and time in which the Gospels place them. Christian writings referencing Jesus start showing up (relatively) soon after his death which refer to him as a man who lived and preached in Judea, and there's speculation that the early Gospels were possibly drawing upon some sort of collection of sayings or stories(Q) that may have been written even sooner after his death than Mark.

The fact is that History is a social science, and the further back you go, the harder it is to find hard evidence of some one's existence, particularly if, again, they were of little consequence until centuries after their life and death. The circumstantial evidence is; however, pretty persuasive. As others have pointed out, it's likely he's partly conflated with other, similar preachers of the time(particularly John the Baptist. It's widely speculated that Jesus was initially a disciple of John).
TopicIs the GOP convinced they're going to get wiped off the map if they remove Trump
ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 3:17:11 PM
#5
Nothing Trump is doing is upsetting to their base, and all the other Republicans either dont have a problem with Trump or are too cowardly to speak out.
TopicAOC's plan to tackle poverty is kinda cool but also kinda small potatoes imo
ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 11:44:50 AM
#24
Balrog0 posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
which AOC is actively working to make a reality by backing efforts to go after conservative Democrats


who is she going after btw?

She's already endorsed Jessica Cisneros and Marie Newman, who are challenging Harry Cuellar and Dan Lipiniski, respectively.
Cuellar has taken more money from the fossil fuel industry than any other Democratic representative and has an "A" rating from the NRA.
Dan Lipinski is anti-abortion and generally conservative.

They're both endorsed by Justice Democrats, the same organization which initially supported her.
TopicAOC's plan to tackle poverty is kinda cool but also kinda small potatoes imo
ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 11:25:11 AM
#15
shockthemonkey posted...
Yeah this plan sounds far too aimed at helping people with normal incomes in high cost areas rather than a full poverty approach.

Wouldve been nice to see her team up with a rural senator for this.

Are there any rural senators who care about this kind of thing though? Like, how do we define rural, even? Because I don't think Jon Tester is for ambitious government programs, and Joe Manchin certainly isn't, and that's it for Democratic Senators from states that are traditionally considered "rural".

This seems primarily aimed to drive discussions about how we define poverty and how incredibly outdated the federal poverty line is. She knows nothing at all can pass Congress right now, but it's important to give people ideas of what good things *could* pass in an actual social democratic Congress(which AOC is actively working to make a reality by backing efforts to go after conservative Democrats).
TopicBREAKING: Trump Ukraine phone call memo released (actual link)
ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 11:10:18 AM
#20
It's cute that Trump thought this memo would HELP him.
And it is a memorandum, not a transcript, because it doesn't reproduce the actual conversation, it's more of a summary or paraphrase.
How much worse might the actual conversation have been? Because even from this, it's pretty damned terrible.
TopicCNBC: Greta Thnberg could backfire for environmentalists
ElatedVenusaur
09/25/19 9:28:08 AM
#36
"Actually, this awesome thing is bad for ~reasons~, mostly because it makes us feel bad about our life choices." -CNBC

hockeybub89 posted...
This "capitalism is already saving the planet anyway" is quite an argument I have seen popping up lately.

You too can be saved and moved to a temperate economic zone, but only if you agree to abolish the minimum wage to give our job creators the flexibility they need to synergize with the climate crisis!
TopicAndrew Yang is beating "Top Tier" Candidate Kamala Harris
ElatedVenusaur
09/24/19 10:26:14 PM
#2
It's clear there are only three top-tier candidates.
But Yang increasingly looks to be the 4th horse in a three-horse race.
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