Lurker > Unbridled9

So... you're setting an arbitrary limit on the number of rights women need, based on the fact that you don't feel like this is a sufficiently severe infringement of bodily autonomy and that you feel they deserve to have that right infringed for their irresponsibility (see above for the statistics on how reasonable that attitude is). You're not exactly convincing me that I got it wrong.

You're not convincing me you're not just reading whatever you want from it. I may as well write 'Blippity Bloppity baugette' at this point since you'll probably deduce some hidden agenda to turn all girls into milk cows from it.

Should you be legally required to provide your child with that blood?

Sounds like that, in this situation, you're putting me in a position where either my child dies due to blood issues or I die and/or suffer immensely from a lack of blood for the rest of my life. Then hoping I'd opt for killing the child (one that's born in this case meaning it's unambigiously murder) and then acting like a parent facing unquestionably one of the hardest decisions around in which they may have the end the life of someone that they love and will likely have to struggle with whatever decision they made for the rest of their life is in the same league as a dumb 18 year old getting drunk off her ass and knocked up by the college football team and wanting to get the abortion so she doesn't get shamed on facebook.

If a child has some sort of rare disorder like this and if the decision to abort it is made you can bet the scenario isn't 'dumb girl being an irresponsible ****' and more of 'hopeful parent facing heartwrenching decision'.
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And none are 100%. So, what happens when they used multiple forms of protection and still got pregnant. Or what happens when the guy slips off the condom without her knowledge and gets her pregnant. Its not always the womens fault. It takes two to make a baby...

Those instances are such a rare freak case that it's probably less relevant than the number of people who get hurt from vaccines. Additionally, if a guy did remove the condom there are still things like Plan B which can allow a girl post-sex protection.

And why do you assume protection is 100%, anyway? Because based on your post, you seem to think that... Or think that sex should only be used for procreation/reproduction...

Why do you seem to assume that it's, like, 50/50 with a 100% chance of getting pregnant if they fail? The whole point of these products is that even 1 of them basically torpedos your chances of an unwanted baby when used properly and it's entirely possible to use multiple. And no. I don't think sex should just be for procreation by any means. It's fun and awesome! Hell, the stuff I've done would leave most women blushing deep red (13 inches insertable length). But that doesn't mean I'm a fool about it. I make sure to understand the risks, dangers, and everything and take the proper precautions. You gonna go do something with handcuffs? Make sure you use either those ice-locks or have a spare key. Gonna use a toy? Read the manual and make sure you know what you're doing. It's all fun and games until you put yourself or your partner in the hospital and have to explain to your hubby that, because you failed to tighten a bolt properly, he might have only one testicle now. I make sure to apply similar levels of protection and precaution there as well.

Now that's just weak. Again, if I misinterpret what you say, you're more than welcome to correct me and clarify.

Simple. Women have lots of rights. Many of those rights ensure her ability to use protection as well as engage in the act without being run out of town and called a witch or drowned for infidelity or something like that. Now they want the right to kill an unborn child simply because they were being lazy and pathetic. This isn't like women being sold to people for the sake of being concubines (that's ACTUALLY not having a right to your body!) or not being able to work or vote or something. This is people being lazy, irresponsible, and entitled.

Hypothetically, if one day, you find a woman who has sex with you and 9 months later you receive package and letter (along with a little song and dance routine). Explaining that you are now the proud owner of 1 (or more) screaming little shit manufactory. Congratulations your life is now ruined!

I went and asked every guy I know what they'd do in this situation. The responses were, understandibly, mixed a bit but quite a few said they'd be estatic to find out that, not only are they the father, but they get to raise and spend time with the kid instead of having to pay support and only getting to see them rarely.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

No thanks. I'm happy here. Can you take So-Cali though?
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Hey Jude - The Beatles. Assuming her name is Jude at least (or some variation).
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Church helping my mother with the daycare (I was 12).
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Red_Bear posted...

I wonder why it's always the women who are the implied sluts for having sex. I wonder how many of these studs/players (or really incels) have sex knowing that whatever they do (besides a vasectomy) they might become single dads 9 months later and they can do nothing about it. But hey it's not like they will have a parasite inside them for said number of months.

I wonder how it would look if they where the once who had to take care of an unwanted pregnancy. I'm guessing there be abortion vending machines down at every bar by the end of the year.

And I wonder what it would be like if I could fly by flapping my arms really fast. But the fact is that these women have had multiple chances by this point for multiple methods of prevention up to and including just not having sex and chose not to.

You heard it here, folks. Once you reach a certain number of rights, you no longer need the right to dictate what happens to your body. So what, if we take away women's ability to opt out of organ donation, then they can have an abortion? Or maybe she can get an abortion, but in return has to donate blood? Can we trade bodily autonomy rights like that?

That's not what I said, implied to have said, could have been interpreted to have reasonably said, or anything of the sort. And no. This is pure delusion as to what I'm saying on your part. As such I won't even bother to respond to the rest of what you said until I feel certain you won't just read only what you want to read from it.

The whole thing with republicans, if you've never noticed, is they fight against rights. They assert we need to give up the vast majority of our rights to achieve a sort of anarchical "freedom".

Anyone who isn't on the perverted definition of "freedom" that republicans use understands that rights exist to ensure our freedoms and liberty.

See, here's the thing. If an abortion was, say, removing a gall stone I wouldn't be opposed to it. It's not like I'm arguing that women don't have the right to drive or decide on who they end up married to or something. I'm arguing that the unborn child has a right to life and the woman has had ample chances, ample chances guaranteed by all the rights we as a society protect, to prevent the situation from ever arising and has ignored those rights, for whatever reason, and is now falling back on abortion as a contraceptive.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Yes. As someone is telling them what they can and can't do with their uterus... That's what it seems like. And they also have to change their way of life. Like they shouldn't drink or smoke when pregnant. They have to eat more. And stuff happens to their body. They get sick in the morning, feet swell, and they usually can't work for a while at some point... So, yeah. They are taking away rights to their own body...

No. No they aren't. They had the option to use multiple forms of birth control. They had the option to employ things such as condoms. They had the choice to employ other things such as the morning after pill. They had the choice to simply not have sex in the first place. That's an already-abundant amount of rights. Now they are going to kill an unborn life as yet another form of contraception because of their irresponsibility. I'm sorry but I see that as 'the other persons nose' of 'right to swing fist'.

I've noticed that there's effectively three different sides to the whole debate. Pro-life (believes in no abortions or extremely limited ones), pro-choice (believes women should have the option in at least some form), and pro-abortion (wants as much access as possible). I am between pro-life and choice myself in that I believe that there are situations which an abortion can, and maybe even should, be done but that none of said situations should be as a contraceptive to safeguard a womans 'right' to act like an irresponsible ****. The fact is that two lives are being weighed and a womans 'right to be an irresponsible ****' is dwarfed by the babies right to life in my eyes. As such I am highly pro-abortion.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

man101 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

And the democratic voting base is well known for their ability to go to college for underwater basket weaving on daddy's dime before thinking that anyone who disagrees with them even slightly is getting ready to goosestep.

Or, alternatively, that's a silly notion being brought around by arrogance and assumed superiority with little to no grounding in reality.

None of that makes the republican stance on abortion any less hypocritical or preposterous. This isn't a discussion about how young democrats are out of touch with reality.

What's hypocritical/preposterous here?
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Mead posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

ROFL.

This week I learned that kyuubi doesn't know how female birth control pills work and that ohja doesn't understand the human reproductive cycle. That makes sense since they both are republicans.

Ummm... Wow. That's pretty... Yea. Terrible. Seriously dude? You make it sound like just being republican means you have no clue how those sorts of things work.

Well to be fair the republican voting base isnt exactly known for their appreciation of education and facts

And the democratic voting base is well known for their ability to go to college for underwater basket weaving on daddy's dime before thinking that anyone who disagrees with them even slightly is getting ready to goosestep.

Or, alternatively, that's a silly notion being brought around by arrogance and assumed superiority with little to no grounding in reality.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

SunWuKung420 posted...

ROFL.

This week I learned that kyuubi doesn't know how female birth control pills work and that ohja doesn't understand the human reproductive cycle. That makes sense since they both are republicans.

Ummm... Wow. That's pretty... Yea. Terrible. Seriously dude? You make it sound like just being republican means you have no clue how those sorts of things work.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

SunWuKung420 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Kyuubi, do you know how female oral contraceptives work?

This may surprise you, but consenting sexual partners are quite willing to use contraception.

You don't meet some chick that wants to bang and offer her oral contraceptives. That's not how they work. Clearly, you don't know how female oral contraceptives work. Classic kyuubi thinking you just give the lady a pill.

Not to mention some of them are the ones you insert under the skin.

For the record, oral ones typically alter the bodies hormones so that the woman no longer ovulates. This means it's pretty ineffective in regards to actually stopping the sperm; just making it so that there's no egg for them to impregnate.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Why are you trying to sell me birth control?

So you can bareback?

But I'm not a girl. Why are they selling me birth control for women?
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Woot! One less annoying commercial for me to sit through! Now if only I could get rid of those danged interactive ads...

Also, if you're gonna do that 'targeted ads' thing can you PLEASE put up ads for stuff I might actually watch as opposed to random junk and birth control pills? I'm not a woman! Why are you trying to sell me birth control?

Oh. And, ummm... sorry if you liked the show I guess? I'm just more stoked to have their ads gone.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Thinking of compiling a list of the most important games that every gamer should play at some point and wanted to ask for suggestions. The games don't need to be the most successful or popular but they should have done something/been unique enough/iconic enough/something else to make playing them absolutely worthwhile if possible.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

wolfy42 posted...

I'm actually down for the scorpions/ballista to hurt a dragon, from within a certain range, with stationary ballista that have been pre-fired to show were the spear would go (so you wait for the dragon to be in that spot or right before it to fire).

That would make sense, and yeah, the actual range of a ballista probably wouldn't work too well, really shouldn't be much further then a longbow could shoot, but I mean, it would be semi believable.

So in this case, the mounted ones on the castle, hidden behind facades/flags whatever, until the dragon comes close to breathe fire on em, and then remove them and fire!! Boom. Just one volley (takes to long to reload), but have like 8 of em on the wall, all set for different angles/heights etc.....that would work, and make sense....and still suck (poor dragon!!), but.....I would be like, good strategy!!! You deserved to kill that dragon.

Instead, I feel like the writers just suck and decided they wanted the dragon dead, but didn't bother making it make sense at all.

Heck. Why not even give them a bit of build-up? Like a quick scene earlier on showing them test-firing one, going 'yea it can take down a dragon... if we managed to get this thing that's next to impossible to turn and aim to point in an extremely precise spot to hit a fast-moving target. Why the heck do you think we haven't been using them? Big. Heavy. Cumbersome. Impractical. Only one redeeming feature.' before going 'I have an idea' then doing that thing you suggested. Would only take, like, 30 seconds to a minute and would make a lot more sense.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Lokarin posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Deadliest Warrior

That show was the TV equivalent of click bait, we NEED that simulation data dangit!

Love it or hate it it's one of the few places where a normal person can see someone who actually knows how to operate a scorpion/ballista actually operating a scorpion/ballista with at least some analysis. At least without actively searching it out on Youtube instead of trusting an HBO show that clearly just wanted to wrap things up.

If GoT wants to do that, fine. It's not like I somehow can't enjoy a show, a freaking fantasy show no less, unless it's 100% grounded in reality and whatnot. Just... Doesn't change how badly it stinks of 'we ran out of ideas and Deus Ex'ed it'.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

An actual ballista in action:

It has nowhere near the advertised range, power, or accuracy (note how they miss the unmoving hay bundle) and can take a long time to reload, aim, and fire. I recall watching the guys on The Quest trying to do that challenge with their smaller cousins and how long it took them to reload after each shot. Even when they had those guys in Deadliest Warrior using them they weren't anywhere near effective enough to be used like what they did in that scene.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

A ballista should not be able to kill a dragon. If it did than GoT has some weak-ass dragons. They're powerful, sure, but nowhere near the levels of power, speed, or danger needed to seriously threaten a traditional dragon. Especially if we're talking a scorpion as opposed to a full-blown ballista.

Edit: I finally watched the scene and... Bull****. Ballista are nowhere near that strong. If they were navies would have never even bothered switching to cannons or other things if a single salvo from a ballistia could easily deal FAR more damage without the need for explosives or other things. IRL you'd probably use them to break an armored formation and bypass a wall and that's about it. Not to mention that loading, aiming, and firing one is nowhere near fast enough to be anti-dragon. They just aren't agile enough for that. You'd have to wait till the Napoleonic Era cannons to find siege agile enough for taking out a flying dragon reliably.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

synth_real posted...

Blighboy posted...

When the medieval society in question just pulls out a magic ballista and 360 head shots the supernatural threat

Maybe Euron imbued them with magic from the Drowned God, the arms on them did look like tentacles.

But in all seriousness, I understand why the show writers did that, because it's pretty obvious who's going to win the fight for King's Landing if one side has a pair of invincible flying death monsters (even if actually using them on a city full of innocent people would be a horrifically barbaric act.) At this point, I kinda just want to get the last two episodes done and over so I can see if Bron finally gets his castle

There would probably be ways to handle that if they were clever or they could work with how horrifically evil it is to turn it into a phyrric victory or something. I dunno. I don't watch the show.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

For the same reason that Captain America is ridiculous since the shield fell out of favor as soon as firearms became a thing...

CA's shield is special but in general yes. But the shield was falling out of favor before then since it was heavy and armor was improving in quality to the point where you simply didn't need it most of the time. Firearms just made it so that the only reason you might ever consider a shield was no longer viable.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

I have not seen the show. Keep that in mind.

Historically ballista's were a piece of siege equipment that needed proper training and support in order to function. The mere act of winding one up to fire could easily exhaust an untrained man and it can take a lot of time to fire even a single round. That said it was superior, especially in anti-army capabilities, to the catapult which often had an even longer reload time, was less accurate, and packed less power except against buildings. So you would typically deploy ballista and scorpions behind your front lines and have them target enemy fortified formations to break them with ease.

However with the rise of the medieval age it became very hard to create and upkeep a ballista especially with improvements all-around to bows, armor, shields, and other forms of siege. Onagers were easier to create and took much less training and, eventually, trebuchets and mangonels simply outclassed the ballista in everything that it could possibly do. That isn't to say you never saw them; but they basically only got deployed in places like road checkpoints where they could be fairly assured to only be used for anti-person purposes. The crossbow was basically the true final nail in the coffin though as it was basically a mini-ballista that anyone could use, didn't exhaust anywhere near as much, could get through armor and even shields potentially, and was far more portable and capable in general.

Come the Renaissance there was simply no reason to consider ever using a ballista since any niche they could possibly fulfill had been replaced by better/cheaper/simpler siege, crossbows, or basically anything else. They were a novelty at best and the rise of the musket and cannon ensured it could never possibly rise up again.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

0%. Why? I don't have the money to go to one in the first place. Even if I did I wouldn't have the money to afford to tip even if it was my own wife serving me.

I wish that they'd just pay their employee's properly. I got nothing against it but I feel like, if it's obligatory, why even bother giving us the option to not tip and just include it in the base price of food?
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Foppe posted...

What do you expect when 26% of the population believes that the sun revolves around earth?

That's millennials for ya.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Because most republicans love him while most democrats loathe him. Factor in that it's only ~80% of republicans who love him but ~90% of dems who loathe him and a 45% seems fairly logical.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage