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totalnerdken posted...

Well tell me, how do you feel about the attack on Andy?

I'm not sure. I don't think he's a poor precious little innocent who needs to be protected but I also don't know if violence is actually effective in changing these sorts of views and I'm generally of the opinion it's better to not be violent on principle.
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totalnerdken posted...

Sheep007 posted...

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SocialistGamer posted...

This guy constantly provokes Antifa on twitter and writes anti-Muslim pieces. Not to mention writing for a website that published a kill list of joirnalists.

Oh, being proactive justifies violence?

So if you saw a woman wearing provactaive clothes, you think it's ok to rape her?

Because I don't, I think that's despicable.

What do you think? Being provactaive deserves violence?

...logical leap, much?

Show me the leap.

Intentionally pissing people off = provoking

Existing and wearing clothes = "provoking"

One is active, one is passive.

That's a distinction without a difference. Why doesn't Andy just not go there? Aka, why doesn't the girl just not go into a more dangerous area?

Neither deserves or should be attacked.

Unless you can somehow prove that he was a threat to Antifa (or people in general I guess), you're justifying blatant violence.

Please show me where I justified the attack?
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totalnerdken posted...

Sheep007 posted...

totalnerdken posted...

SocialistGamer posted...

This guy constantly provokes Antifa on twitter and writes anti-Muslim pieces. Not to mention writing for a website that published a kill list of joirnalists.

Oh, being proactive justifies violence?

So if you saw a woman wearing provactaive clothes, you think it's ok to rape her?

Because I don't, I think that's despicable.

What do you think? Being provactaive deserves violence?

...logical leap, much?

Show me the leap.

Intentionally pissing people off = provoking

Existing and wearing clothes = "provoking"

One is active, one is passive.
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totalnerdken posted...

SocialistGamer posted...

This guy constantly provokes Antifa on twitter and writes anti-Muslim pieces. Not to mention writing for a website that published a kill list of joirnalists.

Oh, being proactive justifies violence?

So if you saw a woman wearing provactaive clothes, you think it's ok to rape her?

Because I don't, I think that's despicable.

What do you think? Being provactaive deserves violence?

...logical leap, much?
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Swagnificent119 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

There's literally been a group arrested within the past few days in Germany who were planning targeted assassinations of "leftists" and you call Antifa the most dangerous?

Nice deflection.

It's not a deflection, it's addressing the point he's making. I'm not trying to make it about that group, but to call Antifa the most dangerous is disingenuous. They're mostly just far-left people who go to far-right rallies and get angry, there's not a lot of organisation or targeting, or the like.
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totalnerdken posted...

Antifa is mostly just a bunch of (ironically enough) fascists. They want government to control speech, they want heavy business regulations, they refuse debates and are even dumb enough to think things like "letting people even hear bad ideas is bad".

The biggest, most dangerous fascist group nowadays... Is Antifa.

There's literally been a group arrested within the past few days in Germany who were planning targeted assassinations of "leftists" and you call Antifa the most dangerous?
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Let's see...

There's a law preventing anyone under the age of 18 viewing any material indicating someone could be gay. Discrimination and censorship based on sexuality.

There is no law against discrimination based on sexuality.

Same sex marriage is not allowed (basic human right if allowed for heterosexual couples)

Literal concentration camps for gay people in Chechenya

Somewhere between 40-45% of Russians support mandatory isolation of gay people on mental health grounds, and about 5% support execution of them. 74% believe it's not acceptable in society, and 44% believe homosexual acts should be criminalised.

I could go on.
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Ilishe posted...

MwarriorHiei posted...

Ilishe posted...

I'm not anti LGBT, I just feel Putin has a good point here saying that the core population which makes up let's say 95% of the population should have these things their way.

"its okay to discriminate against a minority group if the majority hates them"

come on, bruh

It's not discrimination if you don't facilitate an agenda. It's being neutral.

It's also anti-democratic for a minority to dictate terms to a majority.

1. Terms are not dictated. Gay people have absolutely no power to dictate anything, in Russia of all places. Hell, it isn't exactly a democracy in the first place, so I think un-democratically trying to achieve basic human rights would make sense.

2. An agenda is facilitated. Gay people do not have the same rights as straight people and are not socially treated as equal or even human in Russia. That is discrimination.
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Poor Death, shame I couldn't get a game in with my euro-bud where he isn't confirmed scum as soon as I join.

Camarija posted...

@Sheep007 are you sheepsaysmeep?

No but I have played with him to confuse things and I frequently get tagged instead of him accidentally on MU.

I actually like that actress theory, it makes a lot of sense with 5tar's role and I don't see much reason for his role to be a fakeclaim. Plus claiming the role of another scum as scum yourself is borderline suicidal so I think we can rule that out. Ulti basically said my current train of thought: half the game is generally cleared or confirmed scum, and now we just work our way through the PoE.
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I was as lazy as I thought I'd be and just watched SGDQ instead of reading old topics. Very tired since it's like 2am but will actually think about things this afternoon.

Lopen, who else is scum now that Pez is confirmed scum and Lolo/Corrik Town? There's going to be at least two, likely 3-4 left, right?
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Do people not understand subtext, are they trolling, or does CE hate gay people more than I remember at night?
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th3l3fty posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Monogatari (Tentatively, could move up a bit once finished or down if it gets worse)

good joke

I mean once I finish what's there so far >_> just started watching more a couple weeks ago cause I only ever finished Bakemono and never got further, some years back
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Hyouka
Antarctica
Madoka
Monogatari (Tentatively, could move up a bit once finished or down if it gets worse)
Mob
Haruhi
MHA
Death Note
LoGH
Kaguya
NNB (Season 1 only)
Monster
(Big gap)
Baccano (Never finished)
School Rumble
AoT (Season 1 only)
Bleach
Goblin Slayer

Not seen (or not enough to rank)

Higurashi
Steins Gate
Eureka Seven
Ergo Proxy
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School Rumble

Godspeed to you Mob and Antarctica
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Gen 1 love is strong in this poll. Squirtle line is probably the weakest to me aside from maybe Sobble's which I have no opinion on yet, and Popplio's which has a good first stage and nice type but is meh design-wise later. Empoleon is the strongest final stage by a fair bit, and Prinplup is the best second stage. All the first stages are great, making it basically the opposite of the grass lines where all the first stages are meh and then the final evos are good. Although the final stages are also generally alright, there's no absolute stinkers.

Starter rankings

Piplup > Popplio > Mudkip >> Totodile > Froakie > Oshawott > Squirtle

Second stage rankings

Prinplup > Marshtomp > Frogadier > Wartortle > Dewott >>>> Brionne > Croconaw

Final Evo rankings

Empoleon >> Samurott >>> Swampert >>>> Greninja >>> Feraligatr >> Blastoise > Primarina

Overall ranking

Piplup line >>>> Mudkip line >> Froakie line > Dewott line > Totodile line = Squirtle line > Popplio line

I actually never chose a Water starter in my first playthrough of many games. Only W2 and Sun iirc. In W2 it was cause I used Snivy first in White and Tepig sucks, in Sun I just picked based on first evo and turned out the other two had way better late stages (and Rowlet is just generally cooler anyway).
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AoT

Auto for Hyouka
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Kaguya

Auto for Hyouka
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Hyouka

Auto for Hyouka
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##Vote: Pez

I wanted to put some quote in here but I haven't read a book since I dropped out of kindergarten.

It's gone 1am so I'm just gonna sleep now and care about the flip in the morning probably. Peace out.
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Eh there's a few other people I haven't talked to but I'm fine with hammering whenever, don't think there's too much else to be gotten and I'm tired. Will wait for Ben, obviously.

Interesting stuff on the flavour, Lolo. I don't tend to go too much on it. I thought there may be a more Harry Potter characters than sounds reasonable but at the end of the day safelists are a thing. It'd also be a bit silly and obvious in terms of flavour to put one (or two, if both of you are taking claims from there) thing(s) on a safelist from the same book franchise when literally nothing else appears to share a series (I think? Don't know all of the claims' flavour).

Also I just realised Cam would probably claim his actual flavour cause flavour miller. But my point kinda stands with regards to my justification of your flavour at the very least. I'll have a better handle on this stuff tomorrow hopefully, assuming I actually read back, but I'll try to keep the suspicion of Cam in mind at least a bit.
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Lopen posted...

Vote Ben thanks

no

Lolo, why is Cam your top scum? I don't think I've heard anyone else suggest they think he's scum iirc so I'm quite interested especially from someone who could soon be confirmed town.
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Im sorry im new to this game i dont know who to vote can you help me please sir
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Oh crap I'm still voting Ben from my previous slot?

##Unvote
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S c u m m o n

Lolo, what're your opinions on today's lynches? I noticed you hadn't picked one yet.

I'd also like to hear your opinions on the game as a whole since I've not read anything from you yet and would like some reads before you apparently die tonight.
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Hmm the Lolo/Corrik suspicion is really interesting but sorta neatly resolves itself just like the Ben thingy should. Hopefully Lolo is here before day end so I can chat a bit to him
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6 scum is most likely, right?

Ben, which parts of your PoE would you first reconsider if Lopen flipped scum, obviously with your scans as well. There's still likely one left especially since Town seems to have a decent amount power if you're genuine.

Hell, Lopen, if Ben is scum who else are you looking at? I haven't really seen much from you which isn't related to pressuring Ben.
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Obellisk posted...

Lopen posted...

Honestly even if you think Ben is lying town vanilla lynching him is probably smartest. If he's wrong and is just gut shotting suspects we have two mislynches instead of one

You really should only vote Death or Pez if you believe him outright.

Um no. If you think he's lying town vanilla trying to get us to lynch his scum pool that makes him town and you don't deliberately lynch town. This is so antitown a comment. What are you playing at

If Ben isn't cop, is town, and doesn't reveal that, he'd basically be throwing past a certain point. I trust he's a good enough player to not throw a game just for the sake of his ego. If we lynch a vanilla claim today and are wrong, we should be basically guaranteed to hit scum next day.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Lopen posted...

Note the passive way Ben calls me scum there. He eliminates everyone else with minimal justification, then can't even actually say I'm scum

It's so passive mafia scum logic it hurts

I've been eliminating them over the course of the whole game. I was RECAPPING my reads to sheep. L o freakin L

To add to this, PoE is a valid way of getting scumreads in mid-late game and iirc I've seen Ben do it that way a lot. I don't personally think Ben using PoE to call you scummy is scummy itself.
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Lopen posted...

Honestly even if you think Ben is lying town vanilla lynching him is probably smartest. If he's wrong and is just gut shotting suspects we have two mislynches instead of one

You really should only vote Death or Pez if you believe him outright.

What if Ben is Cop and we get an extra guaranteed confirm from him tomorrow?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

It's not likely to matter a whole lot. SBell is worried that Ben got redirected N1 without knowing about it, and thus Pez makes more sense to lynch since it eliminates that factor. (redirector was dead...wait was backup even dead at that point tho) My counterargument is that that chain of events has a negligible possibility of happening (especially since I don't super buy Ben to begin with, but also because that's not how redirection tends to work here and redirector targeting a claimed nilla n1 seems outlandish) and I think Death is scummier than Pez. Sbell's second argument that we kinda forgot about is that there seems to be more momentum for a Death lynch, so maybe scum is pushing Death > Pez because Pez is scum power and Death is scum Nilla.

Gotcha, thank you for explaining.
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Well I was feeling a little shaky on Ben but when the arguments from his scans are him being fakeclaiming town and to just rollover and die I don't see a good enough reason to do anything except pick one to lynch.
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Lea3Lea posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Hey Death, you should probably vote Pez. The pro-ben votes way out number the anti-ben votes, even if they're currently split. To you, Pez may or may not be scum but you % know you're not scum, right?

Just a friendly late night voting strat from your pal Lea

Same to Pez, I guess, who explicitly doesn't think Ben is scum

And he is reconciling that... How, exactly? Ben is fakeclaiming town?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I also think I am the only one specifically pushing Death > Pez and most people are just kinda along for the ride. If Death is Maf Nilla and Pez is Maf Power and there's no godfather flip you have my permission to hold that against me after all this is done >_>

Tom Bombadil posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

er I'm confusing myself

I don't find it likely that
-Ben is town cop
-AND EITHER He got a redirect n1 AND Han straight up lied to him
-OR Pez is more valuable than Death to the scumteam
-AND Scum is sticking their necks out to jump on that

I didn't say I don't care whether it's scum power or scum vanilla, I don't think everything that has to happen for one of your theories to be right is likely enough that I am worried about it more than I'm worried about Pez seeming townish.

These were the posts I was on about.

If it really is a coin flip then I'm inclined to vote Pez in that case just cause I like Death and I know if he's Town (no matter how small the chance for either) he'd be valuable in the last few days whereas I don't really know that about Pez.
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htaeD posted...

Oh hey sheep, sad that we had to meet on such an unpleasant day

Yo

Anything that hasn't recently been said to convince me that I should vote Ben over you?

Also, for everyone else, what's the argument for the order of lynching Death/Pez? The vote seems to be split and I read something based on them being power and honestly I am very lazy today since I didn't expect to be in this game.
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Y'all just made me lose the game guys

Ben, aside from the guilty scans, who are your scumreads? Did you say SBell was one yesterday and is that still the case?
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Now that I don't have to take away from an MHA trade....

Auto for Mob i save at :23

Mob

For Madoka
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DrPez posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I can't put my finger on it, but Ben seems different to what I'm used to with him based upon his limited posts so far.

Also I'm sad I only just realised someone else claimed Voldemort Miller cause that was a glorious chance to claim neighbour and hope he rolled with it.

He didn't claim miller. We had to tell him his role was a flavor miller. His role in PM is just like yours TOWN Villager. He actually thought 5tar was scum for awhile bussing Red because his role "disproved" the flavor split and therefore made 5tar "useless"

How new is he and has he had a fat *obvious town* sticker on him the past few days if the answer is "quite new".
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I can't put my finger on it, but Ben seems different to what I'm used to with him based upon his limited posts so far.

Also I'm sad I only just realised someone else claimed Voldemort Miller cause that was a glorious chance to claim neighbour and hope he rolled with it.
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Kaguya
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Lopen posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Lopen is constantly trying to discredit me by projecting his own manipulations on me. And not just trying to logic through the game naturally. "There are other town powers in the vanillas that are lying and waiting to counter Ben so he's lying"

How am I supposed to not assume you're scum Lopen

benjamin3740 posted...

Lopen is constantly trying to discredit me by projecting his own manipulations on me. And not just trying to logic through the game naturally. "There are other town powers in the vanillas that are lying and waiting to counter Ben so he's lying"

How am I supposed to not assume you're scum Lopen

If you are town and cop you have grossly misplayed cop at every step and you should be blaming yourself for my suspicion

How did Ben claim, and play Cop exactly? When did he claim and what were the exact circumstances around it? If I know around when in terms of topics that'd be great too or instead.

Gonna be off for about an hour or so then will return til end of day.
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Lopen posted...

Balance meta only applies if we know all the roles. This includes scum and independents

We know all the flavor claims so it better applies. Some are lying of course but you can see themes forming.

Not really. If there's a watcher, tracker and cop claimed in a game this size with a protection role it's almost impossible they're all telling the truth, for it to be balanced. You're going off probability of course, but it's more useful than something an experienced host like Han would absolutely manipulate.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Okay I sorta see why Cop might not be bought now, since flavour seems to be villainous characters or things on scum side, and two roles that are basically cops may be unlikely.

The other thing is we have a whole lotta protection and other weird stuff running around. Two cops at this size isn't weird in a vaccuum but we have

-Lolo is (probably) Bodyguard
-Corrik is (somewhat probably) Chronomancer
-Mayor and Kingmaker are flipped
-I'm (claimed) Thumb Biter (can redirect target player's action to myself)
all that plus flavor scanner AND straight up Cop seems a bit much to me

Not necessarily any problems there if scum are strong. Someone said everyone has claimed, earlier, was that correct?
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Lopen posted...

The read was based on Hb's reaction to the claim and every other vanilla in the game being a very minor character. Thinking there can't be two scanners is just pointless game balance speculation that I'm not interested in given I don't know the setup.

Petra isn't a minor character and I can't think of an English book that doesn't use letters, personally. I like how you're willing to use flavour meta but not balance meta (which has far, far more of a basis).
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Okay I sorta see why Cop might not be bought now, since flavour seems to be villainous characters or things on scum side, and two roles that are basically cops may be unlikely.
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TheArkOfTurus posted...

Monogatari

Trading for Kaguya, auto

For Hyouka
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Baccano
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Lopen posted...

I'll just say it Sheep. I'm pretty sure you're the real cop. The way Hb immediately didn't believe Ben's claim, and you're glaringly out of theme as far as flavor goes with the rest of the vanillas.

I think you can do more for town by countering here, even if your scans aren't helpful.

Yeah sorry but no. Vanilla. Wish I was something a bit more fun, though.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Nobody died last night either, what happened with that (or is thought to have happened)?

Allegedly, Lolo bodyguarded (5tar? Not sure if this was ever explicitly stated) successfully and Corrik used his role to delay Lolo's death to tonight.

Gotcha. Corrik delays any actions taken on his target by one night with his role, then? Did he claim x-use or every night?
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Lea3Lea posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I'm sorry to disappoint, Lea.

I haven't been keeping up with what's actually happened beyond lynches. 17 bloody topics...

I have no idea what to think about Voldemort as a town claim, Tom but I can assume that my slot already claimed flavour since I'm Harry Potter and that'd be a bit of a coincidence. Don't know anything about flavour of the game as a whole so I can't really apply it to guessing other's roles.

Also I ran a Harry Potter Mafia a few years back so this is kinda neat to roll.

Luckily we have two guilty scans so you just need to decide if you trust an uncountered cop claim or not in this situation!

Okay, that's kinda neat too. Ben scanned both Pez and Death guilty, I guess from the topic so far? Any other investigative roles claimed?
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Lopen posted...

Everyone in game has claimed

Ben has claimed cop in a suspicious way with two guilty scans. Lynch is split between him and his scans.

Your predecessor claimed vanilla. We both know that's wrong though, right? Harry Potter is a deadly target bomb. Or maybe something relevant.

Everyone has claimed D4? Pretty neat. Nobody died last night either, what happened with that (or is thought to have happened)? Also, is there a full claimlist anywhere?

Bad attempt at rolefishing btw. I am actually vanilla and if you've played any mafia you should know that popular/main character flavour does not mean PR.
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Can I get a quick tl;dr of what the hell has happened and any key interactions to look back on (and where they are if possible?) I might go back and read all the days during night if I have the time but right now that's just too much thinking.
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