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Relic weapons datamined:

https://imgur.com/a/jRWPhb2

GNB weapon looks like garbage. Of fuckin' course they couldn't actually do something good, grr.

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Picture a flower blooming in the garbage. Four white petals, so beautiful they seem to draw in the light to enhance their charm with a glow. Why is it there? How does its grey, hostile, drab environment allow it to exist? You don't know. No one knows. All we can possibly know is that it's a miracle, and we're lucky to be there to see it. That is Disco Elysium, and that is what it's all about.

You might be wondering why anyone bothered to nom it. Its title sounds ridiculous, being a seeming riff on Disco Inferno. The answer, at least the one that I arrived at after playing through it is that it is Real. By this I don't mean it has a verisimilitudinous setting, or that it's dull and brown and boring. What I mean is that it has depth, and quirkiness, and horror and wonder and so much humanity it makes you want to scream, or maybe cry, or maybe laugh in frank joy. Its lead designer and writer, Robert Kurvitz, said in an interview that most games aim to entertain and serve as a form of escapism, a shield against a painful reality we can hide behind for a while. His hope while creating the game was to go a step beyond that. He wanted to do the same thing a good book or movie did, and instead equip players with the tools they needed to deal with their reality once they returned to it. Rather than try to persuade you that he did it, let me give you a couple examples of how him and his team tried to do that:

-Maybe ten minutes after starting the game, you meet a filthy-mouthed kid called Cuno. His greeting is always, 'Fuck does Cuno care?'. He's ten years old, living in one of the poorest districts of the city you're in. He has no future, no hopes, no prospects. His father beats him up when he's not too doped up or half-dead to not care. He's addicted to speed, and offers you to split a dose with you if you can reclaim it from a place he can't reach. Cuno also dreams of a vivid detectivesque setting, the City of Rage, which he's tried to bring into reality through an insect farm. You can punch him, empathize with him, betray him, or ignore him. You can praise him for being a strong kid, or buy sportswear from him. No one will know how you talked to him aside from you, him, and your respective partners watching the scene.

-When you call the police station to report you lost your badge, the entire station crew is listening in on your dispatcher. The second you admit it, they explode into jeers. Try to calm them down and you'll get owned. Like so: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/196447085627703299/635277633361543179/badge.png

After the conversation ends, your skill representing your connections to your fellow policemen activates, and grants you a paranormal vision of them. They're all worried for you. Hoping your antics (and you've had many of them) won't totally catch up to you. They all laugh so they don't cry.

-You can ponder thoughts to gain benefits. After enough time, you'll unlock an epiphany for them. Here are two of them, presented without comment:

Problem

Your face looks like its 58 and your body feels like its 60. Your mind feels like its lived for one day or a hundred. Both longer than they ought to be, the day and the century.... But for how long, then, has this thing attached to your sentience walked the planets crust? Time to start racking those brains of yours, Elder One. When and where were you born?

Solution

You were born in the year 07, in the last year of the Commune of Revachol, right before it fell. In the Old Military Hospital, on the ground floor where people usually came to die, during a snowstorm. The Revolution had about one year left to go and the fires were still burning bright. There were explosions in the blizzard. This was 44 years ago. You are 44 years old. The bloating might never leave your face, but beneath it -- you still have some years. You still have some hope.

Problem

It has been brought to your attention that youre an alcoholic. And that its a sickness. And its killing you. You're crawling on your knees through life, your booze-filled belly dragging on the ground, your brain now fuzzy, now in overdrive, your hair sticking together with today's cold sweat and yesterday's vomit. Perhaps theyre right. Anything is better than this. Even bone-dry reality itself. Maybe you can quit?

Solution

Congrats you're sober. It will take a while for your body to remember how to metabolize anything that isn't sugar from alcohol, so you're going to be pretty ravenous soon. Eat plenty. You can expect your coordination and balance to improve in a couple of weeks. In two months, you might start sleeping like a normal person. Full recovery will take years, though. Itll be depressing. And itll be boring. Dont expect any further rewards or handclaps. This is how normal people are all the time.

These are just a few facets of Disco Elysium. Objective facts to relate to our own, unique experiences. This is where my objectivity ends and my subjectivity begins. I'm a philosopher, by nature if not by trade. The whole time I played this game, I was thinking, as I do when I read a good book. Thinking about myself. Thinking about what my character was doing. Thinking about why things are as they are. Feeling a profound oneness with the world, and cognizance of how strange and endlessly complex it is. As I ran through the broken streets of a colonized postwar commune, I felt like my soul was about to fly. I felt myself growing, like a plant left under the sun and put on fast forward. I was challenged, amused, hurt, healed. I realized I was experiencing something I'd never seen before in videogames, and I felt so, so proud of the medium I love so much and which I grew up with for finally making such a great, unquestionable leap.

When I was a little boy who was 3 years old, I played Doom with my father. The thrill of gaming started there, and it never really went away. Disco Elysium makes games more than partners in fun. Playing it is like seeing a friend who's a couple years your affable but immature and vapid junior blossom into a selfless, loving, questioning, mature adult. It is an emotion that goes far beyond simply being entertained. It's a part of my, our, everyone's process of growth as human beings. It is a blessing. it is truth. It is a miracle.

Play Disco Elysium.

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Bastion>Transistor>Pyre

Bastion just comes together perfectly. Everything about it is absolutely classic. The other two are still really great, but there's something about doing a double playthrough of it into Evacuation ending that is just so hard to top.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Ok let's say all indies are great and we could even have more (which I don't agree with but w/e)

What we don't need:

Destiny
Hearthstone
AC Odissey
Call of Duty
Dota 2
Street Fighter V
Starcraft 2
Heavy Rain
Fate Grand Order

Dota2 I can see being there, even though I'm a diehard LoL player

It's a massively popular game with a very unique style

Same for Fate Grand Order, as it's done some things that elevated its medium in spite of all the stuff that holds it back

All the others, yeah, get em outta there. They're not game of the decade worthy.

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I'm glad my talking about DE got people curious about it :D

I know I can come off as antagonistic or pigheaded at times, but if there's one game I wish could win game of the decade it's this one. I don't think I've ever felt so passionately about a game in one of our contests before, even though a lot of my favorites have made appearances. I'm not even mad that it's gonna lose to KH3, all I really want is for people to play it because it changes everything. I get the skepticism at it being more impactful than BOTW but I absolutely feel like more games will come out reshaped by DE's influence in the coming years than we'll see a surge of 'open world 3d adventure' clones. I'll stop clogging up this topic with this rambling, though -- when the time for its match comes, I'll put up a topic explaining why that game matters so much so anyone who's actually interested can read it without disrupting stats and discussion.

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On a different note, I don't think FO4 is comparable to New Vegas. New Vegas was hailed as a return to form on the narrative front, FO4 was seen as...yeah, 'more Fallout', p much. There's a big abyss in terms of perception even if sales for FO4 were likely better. The way I'd put it is, probably more people like FO4, but more people love New Vegas.

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TIGAR
Return to Oblivion
ASGORE

Really good fourpack today. Very strong stuff all around.

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A different kind of revolution, but well, Breath of the Wild.

I actually think GameFAQs would love Disco Elysium. It is an in-depth narrative-driven RPG that takes itself seriously and got s great reception. We saw it look great in that PC poll. What holds it back is the fact that it is just too recent, and is PC only. Do the match again in 5 years, Disco likely takes it. It is just too soon though.

BotW isn't nearly as revolutionary as Disco Elysium. I'm saying this as someone who's balls deep into RPG design: DE is so fucking important it's causing people to reevaluate how they do their games in an entire different medium (tabletop RPGs, if you're curious). There have been other open world adventure RPGs before Breath of the Wild, and there will be more after it that will take little influence from it. It innovates Zelda, but it only innovates Zelda. DE is like the Metroid Prime or Halo of its genre in how it sets an entirely new standard that can't be ignored. The closest thing to how deeply it gives weight to everything you do is Alpha Protocol, and Alpha Protocol had absolutely zero lasting legacy. There's just...like, I'm trying to think of a comparison to explain how out there that game is in what it does and I'm failing, partly because it's the wee hours of the morning, but also because there's no way to match its technical and conceptual achivements to games that are still playing around with conventions set up in previous decades. It's a complete alien, and that's what dooms it. Look at how Undertale did even before it got rallied in the previous games contest and that's about DE's ceiling, because that's probably the most similar game in terms of impact.

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Disco Elysium isn't gonna be worth beans, much as I hate to say it

It's literally paradigm redefining and completely changes everything for all future narrative RPGs but this is gamefaqs. Nobody here cares about the fact we finally have a game that can unambiguously compete with the best from Paul Auster, or Gabriel Garca Marquez, or any other lit fic authors worthy of the name. It's a game that aggressively defies the conventions of games and has an actively antagonistic, fiercely challenging vibe versus what might be the ultimate 'comfort food' game in this bracket. When was the last time this site took a revolutionary shake-up well?

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Shiva is way way worse for this

It's not just Biting/Driving, it later uses an upgraded combo version of both and they're both Twin S-words (Stillness and Silence). Just an absolute shitshow to try and remember. Everything ice armor related is my least favorite part of Shiva by a lot.

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Don't Worry
King Noah
Starry Heavens

Good first match, weak second and third.

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trdl23 posted...

As a guy who came from WoW, it still feels completely bizarre that "who you raid with" doesn't default to "your guild / Free Company" in 14.

Interestingly enough, I ended up falling into a sort of 'alliance of free raiders' for e8s. Me and like 20 other people banded together to prog and ended up forming ad-hoc teams to get clears. Really unique stuff, kinda like an IRL adventurer's guild.

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Beat Shiva under the buzzer on monday and stayed up til 4 AM to get the clear today

I feel like I can't even recognize myself in the tank that cleared E4S for the first time at this point. You know how the story fight buff that makes you into the Hulk says 'breaking limits as a warrior of light should'? That applies to my performance since I got into hard content in this game, I think. It took a hell of a lot of work but I feel qualified for anything at this point. Might consider finding a static for Ultimates soon I think.

EDIT: Also, rankings:

E8S>>E6S>E7S>E5S

E4S>E2S=E3S>>E1S


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One Final Effort
LastPandemic
End of All (Land)

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I mean isn't the absurd amount of magic damage in Shiva part of why the world first group went double caster? Twice the addles!

The buster we're talking about is physical actually

It just straight up oneshots tanks if they don't mitigate it hard. Like, you know how 30% mit is basically enough for every fight to this point? Shiva says fuck that and makes you drop way more to not die. She DOES do a truckload of magic damage too, of course. It's the one fight I feel where popping your 15% mit off CD is less 'nice to have' and more 'required to take significant stress off the healers'.

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agesboy posted...

another night of 3 clears and 8s prog

can confirm, shit big hurty

i think an unmitigated double slap does 270k, and we use soil+temperance for the first aoe and live with like 10k hp

it's actually sometimes hard to tell in the midst of the fight if we're not mitigating hard enough or if people messed up mechanics and instadied

The baseline mit to tank Slap clean is Rampart + 15% mit (or TBN) + Feint + Reprisal fwiw

So you want around 55% net damage for slap to have some comfort. Maaaaybe 60% but that's taking your life in your hands.


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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I mean yeah, Feint isn't great, we use it all the time for 6s tankbusters but it's not better. But the ranged stuff is also essentially a role action (it's the same skill reskinned and doesn't stack) so it's a fair comparison to it and Addle. Unless you want to talk about the "amazing" job-specific utility of Minne, Paean (now with an actual use in 8s!), and uh...Healing Waltz and Improvisation?

I'm talking mainly about Addle and tanks having Reprisal and their job-specific actions, all on shorter cooldowns. Mitigation is everywhere now, which is fine, but it's also just a slight upgrade to other cooldowns and not some major benefit.

FWIW, that mitigation is no longer optional these days. Shiva in particular forces literally everyone to mitigate and do it correctly or you just plain die. The very first raidwide of the fight hits for like 130k on dpses and healers, and the basic tankbuster requires about 45-50% mitigations to soak, which makes Feint suddenly super valuable because it's physical. And it still pales in comparison to Troubador/Tac/Samba, which lets you negotiate the like 40-50k raw damage septuple teamwide busters that come in at the tail end of the fight. Ranged pay tax because having 15 second 10% mit is just absurdly powerful.

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On E8S talk, finally got past knockback mirrors

Holy fuck I still need to get a team through reflected holy, do reflected drachen, and only THEN do I get to prog Icelit

God save me from this pug life, I've never had to grind so hard before

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The key word there is "significantly." Losing a handful of GCDs there isn't enough to send melee's dps plummetting down to match ranged. If there was an effective "melee tax" you would expect both melee and ranged melee to do the same DPS. And obviously SMN/BLM are DPS gods this tier but SAM still manages to compete with them.

like the entire crux of my argument here is that that even with melee having less uptime, melee can STILL do more damage overall

Check the 50th percentile values on fflogs. Every single melee job except Ninja (which has Mudras) takes a nosedive, and ranged actually do overtake melee. It just doesn't matter at high end because high end players greed everything so they don't feel that heat, but the melee tax absolutely exists.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/33#boss=70&dataset=50

(note how MNK plummets to barely better than Dancer...that's not a coincidence, Monk has no ranged attacks whatsoever)

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I used to main BLM and would probably be going caster again this tier if I wasn't already committed gearing to Bard!

Melee only does more damage because the devs have slowly flattened the penalties for missing positionals and then boosted all their damage with the rationale of "well they'll miss uptime due to mechanics" and then not actually designed fights that reduce uptime significantly because that would be obnoxious. and then melee loses to SMN/BLM anyways.

basically ranged gang for life, whiny melees crying about uptime and positionals can fuck off

Also this is definitely not true this tier

You can cheat Rakta into near full uptime if your tanks are ballsy but Shiva forces seven disengages just before add phase, with way more after that you cannot cheat. Melee absolutely are paying tax this tier.

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

So The Maker's Ruin really is like the WoL's theme. This slow version in Shadowbringers is pretty cool. Of coursw the version against Omega is still the best. And finally watched the cinematic and it's the hypest.

Wait until you hear your true main theme in context. You'll absolutely explode from the hype.

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agesboy posted...

beat e7s

the last four minutes of that fight is a joke

specifically the last minute

the fight in general is insanely simpler than i thought it'd be

our clear video featuring stupid late night audio shitposting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGccEEe4QI4

Honestly very glad it's like that, too. The birbnado is super cool to do even if it's baby easy. Plus that break is sorely needed after finishing E6S so Shiva can stomp on your balls repeatedly while you're fresh instead of totally frazzled lmao.

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+ Etrian Odyssey Nexus | The First Campaign | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU76ObF-zZ0

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+ Yakuza 0 | Pledge of Demon | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQa1SA3EtI

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+ NieR: Automata | Birth of a Wish (Become as Gods) | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tg2hHvxaaI
+ Ar nosurge | Ar-ciel Ar-manaf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Mt2OFEMII

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+ Donkey Kong '94 | The Final Showdown...? | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtbKA1WreJY
+ Dune | Chani's Eyes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPEDAR7qWRI

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Arti posted...

the worst is yet to come

What would 'the worst' be? Not retiring before Reach For The Moon, Immortal Smoke?

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You know what, why not

+ Metal Gear Solid | The Best Is Yet To Come | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1bzqjoZyeQ

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@xp1337 I forgot to ask, if you're interested in FGO music, have you considered Epic of Remnant Grand Battle or Fate Grand Order (the theme)? I would be up for nominating those, I think.

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+ Let It Die | Come And Get It | https://youtu.be/f1UR4uCFFN8

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How S.T.A.R.S. is Nemesis thus far? Can't play ATM but very curious

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dowolf posted...

There is no world where I support End of Yorha.

Mind if I ask why? I feel the weaving of the multiple languages makes it a much stronger composition than any of the Weight of the Worlds on their own.

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Oh yeah, looking at that Hideki Naganuma track reminds me, there's one I might as well nom. No double sadly (yet, maybe if The End of YorHa gets zero traction -- we gotta consolidate those Weight of the World votes guys), but this is a pretty primo pick IMO:

+ War of Brains | FEEL the POWER in YOUR SOUL | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8efRFhEcuQ

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Tossing this a double because I'd like to see it in a contest. It's never too late for a bit of hope, right?

++ Napple Tale: Arsia in Daydream | Dreams in a Pie | https://soundcloud.com/hellgirlcece/dreams-in-a-pie

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Still going through noms...might as well include a late new entry while I'm at it though to see if I get any bites. Jesus you guys dropped a ton of tracks early on

+ Fate/Extra CCC | Anima Ataraxia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7SwuYYWDk4

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Lucavi000 posted...

So.... ranged physical DPS in this game is a joke.

Whose idea was it to let them have full mobility while maintaining all of their DPS?

They still do less damage than melee and casters so it ends up not mattering at all

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-- Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers | Return to Oblivion | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENBzVuQWdE
++ Final Fantasy XIV | Return to Oblivion | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENBzVuQWdE

There, that should fix errors. My apologies for the formatting mistake!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Wait, if Ala Mhigo is adjacent to Gridania why did all of the refugees end up in Ul'dah?

You know how Gridania has that 'in harmony with nature' schtick? The nature spirits threw a shitfit and refused to accept the new people. Remember Gridania is a town that accepts child sacrifice if it keeps the spirits chill.

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xp1337 posted...

It was in the old rules for nominations but somehow went missing this time. I assume it's still in effect and everyone has been following it on precedent and/or the honor system.

Oh OK, I thought for a sec I was going crazy when I read them over like three times and didn't see anything. If it's not allowed, consider that offer retracted!

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++ Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers | Shadowbringers | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPOQJDLDps
++ Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers | Return to Oblivion | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENBzVuQWdE
++ DOOM 2016 | BFG Division |https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHRuTYtSbJQ
++ NieR: Automata | The End of YoRHa | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYJK3tocvgE

Got a remaining double. Hm...will have to go over picks so far tomorrow.

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KCF0107 posted...

No trading allowed unless that has changed

Not seeing anything in the rules that says it's banned? If you can point me at the spot that says otherwise I'd appreciate it.

Hbthebattle posted...

uh one that's not how you double
two hopes and dreams is already in

Right, forgot about the script. Gimme a second to tweak that.

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DOUBLE: Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers - Shadowbringers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPOQJDLDps
DOUBLE: Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers - Return to Oblivion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CENBzVuQWdE
DOUBLE: DOOM 2016 - BFG Division: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHRuTYtSbJQ

More to come later. Open to trading noms for Shadowbringers, BTW -- if anyone's interested, let me know.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hi with the plague I may have time to play more ffxiv soon. Is there any way to easily get through older group content (HS) or am I just going to have to do my best out there lol

Everything but savage fights (and bahamut raids which are savage fights in disguise) is very easily accessible. You can still get savages done unsynced, and if you're willing to wait, with a team that specifically wants to revisit them.

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Tank lb is very easy but not worth it. Invulns make it trivial for healers so they can hard dps tho

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Not_an_Owl posted...

E6S sucks and is the worst-designed fight SE has put out in a long time.

E8S rules though.

Hard disagree on this btw

E6s rocks because it is the ultimate tutorial on uptime strats. The difference between the fight on first try and the fight once you optimize it is magical. I can think of like four different strategies I've implemented over time as tank and they've boosted my party's damage by what has to be like 2k dps. Sweet fight imo, Ramuh is the one that sucks.

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You might be right, but Odyssey was kind of a phenomenon in a way Galaxy wasn't. Maybe it's too long ago for me to remember right, but did it have the marketing blitz Odyssey had, with sick ads playing on TV, an intro trailer that blew the doors off a Zelda's in views, etcetera etcetera etcetera? They feel different in splash, somehow.

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The Mana Sword posted...

I realized I never attuned all the Aether Currents in The Lochs today because I rushed through SB last summer.

Let me tell you, fuck The Lochs.

Lochs own, it's a cool-ass traveling puzzle

It's not for everybody but I love how much of a minigame they made out of it

SomeKindOfJoke posted...

5 members of my static decided to grind it out all day Saturday and Sunday and cleared E8S without the other 3 of us. Honestly I've almost entirely lost interest in clearing at all at this point; instead of a group experience, it feels like I'm getting carried and/or a dead weight because I didn't want to raid way more than I signed up for. Feels bad

fwiw, I've barely started E8S but this fight seems wild. I feel the fight itself is compelling enough to be worth doing imo.

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trdl23 posted...

I got BTN from 1 to 74 in the course of a week. Just turn on some music as you get through the arr stuff.

It really is amazing how shitty ARR crafting is

Making a Kurdalegon Lucis was singlehandedly ten times as painful as grinding through the entirety of the HW AND SB quests

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Lucavi000 posted...

why is crafting in this game so convoluted?

Having just leveled a crafter to 73: it's not, but the ARR section is horrific ass. People will tell you to level all crafters simultaneously and they're wrong. You want to mainline one crafter to grind collectibles gear with so that all the other crafters can benefit from a clear gear progression. The grind starts 'making sense' if you do this.

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HeroicCrono posted...

Well you tell me Kanz, are those polls cherry picked?

Not having seen the polling source yet, I couldn't say. If I find it I'll let you know.

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Aggregate polling is not 'latest polls', though. Why would one thing impact the other?

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