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BobanMarjanovic posted...

Well now the left is pissed off

Yea dude I'm pretty fucking pissed that 10s of thousands of Americans will die.

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Is able to keep the country from burning to the ground during global pandemics and economic crisis.

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TC is right.

President Trump is smarter than Jesus and knows more than your doctor. Dont listen to doctors, they are the deep state fake news!

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The WHO and China fucked up big time.

Trump fucked it up way worse. He is trying to shift the blame because that's all he is capable of doing in a crisis.

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And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, thats a pretty good job weve done.

Is trump doing a good job according to his own standards?

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MyTummyHurt posted...

Psssh call me when its swine flu numbers sweaty

So in like 2 to 3 weeks?

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onedarksoul posted...

Enough with the blame game bullshit. There were a whole lot of people in the federal government caught with their pants down beyond the President; including Fauci, the CDC Director, the Surgeon General, and others.

If we just stand around and say nothing then our leaders will do nothing.


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Squall28 posted...

What are you hoping to get from this topic?

It's worth talking about the most dangerous piece of misinformation that ever spread in modern history.

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Awakened_Link posted...

'Doomsday' is sensationalist and inaccurate.

Yea it's not like a humanity ending virus.

Maybe we should just call it a 'civilization changing event.'

Less scary right?

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NeoShadowhen posted...

Yup. Fox is a collection of pundits. Others were on the ball about it. This was from January 28th.
https://twitter.com/ajwimsatt/status/1238528860444131328?s=20

Hardly anyone in the media was taking it seriously back then.

If hardly anyone in the media was taking it seriously then why did Fox News AND Trump have to call this a fake news impeachment scam for two months? Who were they referring to if nobody was taking this seriously?

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BathroomWater posted...

Do we even really have a grasp on this thing, yet, though? I feel like it could balloon into anything at this point.

Don't worry our president has on numerous occasions said that this is totally under control... wait sorry that was a month ago.

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Gravity.

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toyota posted...

Whats even more absurd is that in some documentaries I read about this shit, it seems to be more affluent people buying from them because of the claims that the more weird shit has some sort of health/medicinal properties.

That's also why shark fin soup is a thing despite the fact that it tastes like shit and is by far the most degenerate fishing practice out there.

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This. This is the time to actually put severe sanctions onto a country.

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

They went from agreeing that it was a democratic hoax

To agreeing that it was a real thing but not a big deal

To agreeing that it was a big deal but under control

To agreeing with him opening up the economy by Easter, saying that it's the right thing to do and going into in depth explanations about it

To agreeing with him that extending distancing guidelines to April 30th is the right thing to do

Basically they'll agree with him no matter how much he flip flops because they're mentally incapable of thinking for themselves.

The ones I know are handling it exactly like this.

I tried showing my father the montage of fox news hosts flip flopping within days of calling the coronavirus "the new dem impeachment scam" and he couldn't even watch it.

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RustyFerret posted...

Trump handled the response to the initial outbreak better than Obama did. Granted Obama didn't say it was a hoax, but he did let a 1000 people die over 6 months before calling H1N1 a pandemic.

Watching old Swine Flu news broadcasts on youtube really shows an obvious bias in the perceptions of the media to these two presidents when they both ****ed up in similar situations.

Covid-19 killed 3000 in a month and will likely start killing 1000 a day in the US. But yea... "it's just the flu!" and "same thing both sides!"


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Milkman5 posted...

I saw a comment today saying Marie Curie got two Nobel Prizes
and thought

"who gives a shit?"

how is that a metric of anything

Some of it is pretty subjective and they've definitely made mistakes before... but to get a nobel prize in physics and then another nobel prize in chemistry is goddamn impressive.

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Honestly the real take away here is that fox news is evil as fuck and people are going to die because of them. This guy was just a victim of the fox news misinformation campaign. There needs to be a class action suit against them when this is over.

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No. As painful as this is to say... Pence would have done a better job.

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Bestoffuture posted...

Fuck the cruise lines, but airlines are probably worth saving. <_<

This. We need air travel. The human race could move on permanently from cruise ships and never look back.

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BS in math
BS in physics

Pursuing MS in statistics

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One of the problems is that say you hypothetically employ tactics like quarantines, shutting down businesses, social distancing, etc... at the perfect moment so as to curb the spread of a disease and save potentially hundreds of thousands or millions; then that action will ALWAYS appear to be an overreaction.

You don't shut down the schools when half the students already have it. You have to shut down schools before one case is even reported in the school.

It's really a dangerous flaw in reasoning that could backfire on us if something even more devastating like a strain of avian flu (which could potentially have fatality rates of over 50%) starts to spread in the population.


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Actually its been known for years that a coronavirus strain could do this. That's why we had the pandemic response team that Trump cut loose. Thanks Trump!

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I was hospitalized by it when I was younger. Most people have no fucking clue what a really bad flu case looks like.

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Supervisor in a grocery chain.

Last week was hell on earth.

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Crepes posted...

Is his handling of the crisis even turning the most sycophantic supporters off him or does he still have a loyal fan base that thinks he can do no wrong?

Unfortunately no. Any crisis that happens with Trump in charge is still fake news to them.

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I hear even his own party are starting to have concerns over him but I'd guess them doing anything about it would be seen as being weak.

I'm sure they will tweet about how concerned they are any day now. They are spineless.


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MeltyAlert posted...

37 people in the United States have died thus far; most being 80+ years old.

You're not even going to come close to millions of people dying in the states.

Easily if the 40% - 70% figure is correct (the amount of people it takes to get infected before we get a natural herd immunity).


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CW_McGraw posted...

Can I get a tl;dr? I don't want Joe Rogan showing up in my Youtube Recommendations.

Coronavirus isn't fake news. This is an extremely serious situation not being taken seriously.

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WizardofHoth posted...

Spanish Flu killed 500 million people. More than a stupid flu named after a beer

50 - 100 million.

ZEROWOLF posted...

Everyone: "This is fine."

Corona virus infects 7k worldwide with 22 deaths in US.

Everyone: "OMG, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!".

100k+ cases worldwide.

I'm not worried about dying. I'm worried about being quarantined and the cascading effects that will have on our lives. With no vaccine in sight that is a very real possibility.

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DanHaren2019 posted...

It's Obama fault that he increased cdc spending to be prepared for any epidemic/pandemic after ebola so that trump could eliminate all that funding and programs and cut down cdcs budget to render them helpless in case of disaster. Thanks Obama.

You know... if only Obama decrease cdc funding then dipshit might have increased it in response lol.

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Do people really fucking think that professionals just overlook unreported cases when doing data analysis at this level?

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I'd trump gets 2 more SC picks then the progressive agenda is basically dead for our lifetime.

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No. He is just slinging mud because he will win if there is lower voter turnout.

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ehhwhatever posted...

text.npr.org
"In China, more than three quarters of the cases have been classified as mild. Symptoms include low-grade fever and a cough. Some people also experience fatigue, headaches and, less frequently, diarrhea.
Overall, the death rate in China is estimated at 2 percent, and the average age of death among those with COVID-19 is in the 70's. People with underlying medical problems, and particularly smokers, seem to be at higher risk.
Compared to prior outbreaks of novel viruses, this coronavirus appears less deadly than other human coronaviruses that have spread in recent years. For instance, the death rate was about 34% for MERS, and about 10% for SARS.

I'm not sure if you are trying to imply corona is less dangerous because of its seemingly low mortality rate but that's still pretty damn high and much more importantly, what makes corona so dangerous is that it will probably have a very high reproduction number, i.e. it spreads much faster than the flu or SARS.

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Romes187 posted...

Nice! Relevant and mathematical.

Differential equations really are all-powerful

Wonder what the B/a will be for corona

It's probably going to be pretty high. The reproduction number can often be more deadly than the actual mortality rate of the disease if that makes sense. Like most people scoff at how dangerous the flu can be because they've had it before and they are fine. The flu of 1918 that spread to a significant portion of the population was one of the most devastating events in human history.

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Something you might find interesting in light of recent events. Here is how you model the spread of infectious diseases.

Let the total population be separated into three non-intersecting compartments N = S + I + R

Susceptible - Denoted by S. These individuals are those who are healthy and can contract the disease
Infective - Denoted by I. These individuals are those who have contracted the disease and can spread it to others.
Removed/Recovered - Denoted by R. These individuals have recovered and cannot contract the disease again.

We want to model how each of these compartments changes with respect to time. So we get a system of ordinary differential equations.

We will start with dS/dt. Once we have that the rest of the system of ODEs is easy to write down.

Let cN = number of contacts per unit time an infectious individual makes with the population
S/N = the probability that contact is with a susceptible individual
p = the probability that contact with a susceptible individual results in transmission of the disease

cN*S/N*p = BS (we set B = pc)

So we have S' = -BSI (the rate at which individuals leave the susceptible class and enter the infective class)

I' = BSI - aI (note that people leave the susceptible class at a rate of BSI so they must enter the infective class at a rate of BSI. aI is the rate at which people recover from the disease and leave the infective class into the recovered class).

R' = aI (the rate at which people leave the infective class and enter the recovered class).

S' = -BSI
I' = BSI - aI
R' = aI

This is called the SIR model for the spread of infectious diseases. Note that S' + I' + R' = 0. This makes sense because we assumed a constant population N = S + I + R. Which means N' must be zero.

For different diseases that spread over a longer time scale we cannot assume a constant population so we must factor in population dynamics. The basic SIR model above is still very effective for modeling seasonal diseases like the flu and is a good starting point to learn mathematical epidemiology.

The most important quantity in the model is B/a which is called the reproduction number. This number essentially tells us whether or not the disease will die out or become an epidemic.

B/a > 1 epidemic
B/a < 1 disease dies out

One of the major applications of this model is that once we have the reproduction number B/a we know how much of the population needs to be vaccinated so as to confer herd immunity onto the population. You might have seen the term herd immunity before. When a population has herd immunity it means is that enough of the population has been vaccinated so that the disease cannot spread (we essentially make the reproduction number less than 1 so the disease dies out).

Smallpox has a reproduction number of approximately 5. By having over 80% of the global population vaccinated against smallpox we had a global herd immunity against smallpox. Within a generation smallpox was wiped out and now the only place smallpox lives is in laboratories. This is the only disease for which we attained global herd immunity.

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She's obviously trying to make a point but its literal Alabama. Like which foaming at the mouth Talibama conservative is the point going to get to?

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People are slamming Trump because his "small" one million dollar loan story is a lie. He inherited hundreds of millions of dollars and has multiple bankruptcies.

Kylie is actually a much better business person than Trump.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I seriously have no idea how we're going to deal with Trump supporters after Trump himself is gone. It's obvious they're going to need some kind of deprogramming to function properly again, but how do you deprogram 30-40% of the country?

We can start by eradicating Fox News off the face of this planet.

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Thatuser posted...

Are you seriously arguing that democrat politicians in the United States do not also grandstand and spread disharmony? I mean, that's your prerogative, but wow, the bias is strong,

No they are definitely similar in that sense.

The main difference now is that we at least know that democrats aren't fucking traitors and cowards.

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Depending on the context of the situation Trump supporters will either believe that Trump is highly respected and feared by the international community or they think they are getting the last laugh.

I mean just look at the entire NK debacle. We went from bigly strongman to nobel peace prize winner to the biggest fucking cuck in the world and Trump supporters didn't even blink.

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Republicans: "Nancy pelosi mad"

Also Repulicans: "REEEEEeEEEeEeEEEE"

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Anyone wanna take bets on who he thinks is the greatest president of all time?

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Guy is still 100% a fucking moron but it's pretty crazy that a glock discharged like that. Almost completely unheard of.

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Garioshi posted...

A (), B (e), C (2), and D ()

E is Eulers constant.

The only one tripping me up is F

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garlic powder posted...

The values that I strongly with are the following:

* recognizing the power of the free market
* not complaining, and instead taking practical action to improve one's situation
* emphasizing self-reliance and being able to keep the fruits of one's labor
* recognizing and utilizing the benefits of competition and hard work

Ok what's your opinion on the data that shows red states being the most dependent on government funding and welfare programs.

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