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pyresword posted...

This is only true if you assume the justice system to be infallible.

The justice system should be viewed as infallible when working correctly. Inserting the human element into it can cause some fluctuation, but for all intents and purposes society is set to function with a judicial system beyond reproach. You can criticize decisions. You can disagree with outcomes. But you abide by them and the system.

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1266434153932894208?s=21

Corrik, you were saying that you were confused about what gaslighting meant.

Its this

I don't even know what he is saying let alone how that makes it gaslighting.

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The justice system pandering to public opinion is always a bad thing.

This now signals to the public that anytime they want something to riot.

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PunishedBen posted...

And Sceptile admitting he's scum with Damion claiming he was framed really makes me feel like Sceptile's rule is useless or already used up...

I am just hoping HB didn't allow the scum team to guess the lynch with bombs and they put a bomb on sceptile. (Which would be a bastard game then). However, Mzero's flip generally makes this unlikely as his role to defuse bombs insinuates that a bomb has time for mzero to defuse it.

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You paint a much different picture than the game presents to us, bolt.

12 left, likely 9 -3.

We are well ahead right now.

And, you don't know where Scept claimed scum?

His two posts are his explanation being "You fell for it" and "Set us up the bomb".

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Did someone in the last topic call the cop a white supremacist? lolol

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PunishedBen posted...

Ew I was just looking back at yesterday.

Corrik doesn't vote Puns for being scum, but for playing badly. At the same time he defends Damion, not necessarily for being town.

Welcome to Day 3, Ben!

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Appeared town now?

You said scum.

Also, we don't have a doctor. I am your doctor with Mzero

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It's a working hypothesis.

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On August 13, 2016, a riot began in the Sherman Park neighborhood in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, sparked by the fatal police shooting of 23-year-old Sylville Smith. During the three-day turmoil, several people, including police officers, were injured and dozens of protesters arrested. A nightly curfew was set up for teenagers in the area.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html#polls

You can say what you want to, but I think you are definitely only trying to see what you want to see regarding the situation. The general public isn't the ones rioting. The general public is the ones dealing with the riot carnage.

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StealThisSheen posted...

You... You do realize Hillary was at that low point BEFORE September 20th (the 18th and 19th as well), and then promptly went up a few days after the 20th and kept going up, right? Like, she had a huge uptick right around the time polls from after that shooting would've started having results come in.

Yeah, Trump surged into the lead in the immediate aftermath. After the 2 weeks happened, Ala Nelson, it went back. Before the eventual last surges.

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nc/north_carolina_trump_vs_clinton-5538.html

September 20th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Keith_Lamont_Scott

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The two main riots that happened over a "racism" of police shootings which actually involved a black cop that was the shooter were in North Carolina and Wisconsin. Both voted Red in 2016. I think that it pushes voters to the right is arguably already proven.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah thats not what gaslighting is

Gaslighting is convincing someone that theyre wrong about something theyre right about, like, say, winning a Michigan Man of the Year Award

I always wondered what the fuck you people were talking about when you said it. I assumed it made sense contextually.

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Dark Young Link posted...

You speak as if Trump merely is a bumbling fool. He is deliberately evil, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for "accidentally" doing anything.

I think it's a tad hypocritical to consider him a measured evil person and incompetent at the same time. He is one of the other. He is deliberately evil or he is incompetent. Choose the one you prefer. As I believe Trump does love America and does do what he feels is best for America, I think regardless of whether he does the right or wrong thing that he does try his best. I would never say Clinton or Obama was evil if I didn't agree with them. I criticized Obama countless times on his handling of Ukraine and Syria. I wouldn't say he is evil and undermining America abroad. I would say he sucks on foreign policy!

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Dark Young Link posted...

Well the thing is that not complying with cops shouldn't' warrant an automatic death sentence.

I mean if you're a threat then obviously, I feel no sympathy for someone holding up a store and not surrendering. But there is such a thing as civil disobedience.

Absolutely it shouldn't. You are correct. I usually am on the cops side, but from what I have seen, I have said this cop is wrong and is going to jail.

The fact I am saying that should be testament to the fact that I am agreeing with your broader point yes? I think we just disagree on context and within reason somewhat. There wasn't within reason for this person to die here. He had submitted regardless of resistance or not. There was zero reason for prolonged neck pressure applied to him (and it's not within their guidelines anyways).

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Jakyl25 posted...

Im not sure this is an accurate use of the term

I dunno either. I think sometimes he says things to blow it up for dramatic effect and controversy on purpose. Maybe the wrong usage though.

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Jakyl25 posted...

God Im still mad that the cop didnt get held partially accountable for that swatting death

I think it was a clear cut situation where the context caused the action to happen within reason. What if he doesn't shoot and he was pulling a gun and a cop or innocent bystander dies because of that?

Didn't we have that happen in Georgia? Where an innocent died because a cop didn't shoot to kill?

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StealThisSheen posted...

Well I'm not surprised, given your stance on other traffic laws.

Taking away licenses is the number one way to cause people to drive on suspended licenses. There simply is just better means available.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I dont really know how he could have made it any clearer as to what he meant, to be honest

Well, I can take it one of three ways I think.

1. When the looting starts, the shooting starts. Does he mean the looters are the shooters so that's why the national guard has to come in?
2. The looting starts, the shooting starts. Does he mean shooting tear gas? Then that's obvious.
3. The looting starts, the shooting starts. Does he mean gunning down looters ala the what Army campus protest shooting? (Campus might be wrong?).

I mean, I am concerned. It is a scenario where our commander in chief with his terrible dialect and speech confuses the situation. I wish every day we had a person in office with the policies that was able to talk coherently and without "gaslighting" situations. Hopefully Biden will do a better job at it. (Or at least his cabinet).

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Dark Young Link posted...

As for the "Just obey cops and nothing will go wrong" meme? It's willful ignorance at this point. Complying with cops still gets you killed if you're the wrong skin tone, and the "good cops" will just stand by and let it happen.

I don't think evidence supports this. Not complying with cops and being in a fatal situation almost always comes down to the surrounding context and not skin tone. We have ample examples of white people being shot in situations of this sort already.

The fake Swatting, Vegas, etc.

The difference is the media sensationalizes these ones because they get the most clicks.


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StealThisSheen posted...

That sounds like a flaw in the legal system to me moreso, personally, but I'll agree to disagree.

Personally, I think you should have to forfeit your license for X amount of time if you're driving with no taillights. That it was just a ticket seems kinda bizarre given the whole issue with taillights in the first place.

I don't agree with your proposed penalty for that.

PS: It is now my birthday, and I am spending it with you all online! Congrats! Who wants to have a beer with me? (I'm home).

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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik, do you approve of the President threatening to order the military to shoot looters?

I am concerned as to what he meant in that tweet. I would hope we could contain looters with means other than killing them.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Why arent the cops currently enforcing any laws in Minneapolis

Because they were ordered not to. This is why Trump is looking to take control of the situation if it remains this way.


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Jakyl25 posted...

Why

Welcome to society. Anarchy is atta way.

Ninjad.

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The basic rules are.

1. The host cannot lie to you. (Thus, the person can't be other than what the Host says they are).
2. Town cannot be punished for lynching Scum correctly or the game is bastard (thus, if scum is tossing bombs on people, they cannot toss bombs on their own team to blow up town if we lynch scum). This also works in very other many ways.
3. Scum cannot take control of the lynch in a way that assures Town will be lynched.

Those are the ones basically off the top of my head. But, what it also means is that any number of imaginative roles CAN exist as long as they follow those rules. If they don't follow those rules, the game has to be labeled as experimental or the whole game is bastard.

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Jakyl25 posted...

You never answered why cops should be allowed to do that though

I feel like youre just taking the law as so sacrosanct that all efforts must be exhausted to uphold it

Which I know is probably true for you! Im just confused as to why you dont even understand the question

If you are ordered by law to do something, you are legally responsible to do so as long as you can do so without injury. It is as simple as that. Situations in which things go wrong usually always are situations in which resistance or non-compliance happened. (Some also fall under "fog of war" so to speak also, but those aren't really relevant to this).

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Jakyl25 posted...

He also chased her down in his car!

Hes got her plates presumably. The city can mail her a ticket.

Wait. You seriously think driving off from a police officer and resisting an arrest is a "Let's mail her the ticket"?

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Jakyl25 posted...

And you expect me to be like the other leftist forum you go to? From how you describe them Resetera sound like a bunch of idiots?

Cops should not have that type of power. The cop in your video instigated violence against a non violent woman for no other reason than because legally his authority overrides her right to not be assaulted by him if she disobeys

It's just an example, Jakyl, of how resisting arrest goes. Her crime is literally less than Floyd's. The nature of the crime doesn't matter at all. The matter is when you resist an arrest and fail to comply, bad things can and usually do happen. The best thing you can do in any situation is comply.

What I am personally curious regarding this situation is

A. What caused point A to point B. Why is the cop restraining him at all in the first place? Was there resisting arrest or was this completely 100% a cop who did this on his own? This matters because a cop who did things improperly in a situation that called for restraint is someone who could have erred and this is a case moreso of an accidental murder. I say accidental as in this wasn't the end goal, but it happened due to improperly acting during the situation. If the man didn't even resist at all in the first place, this very strongly points to intentionally murdering the man. Because he had no reason to be restrained in the first place. At the very least, it shows intent to harm the man.

B. I am also curious to see if racism is involved. I hate when the news sensationalizes things. We have seen it countless times before and time and time again with the coronavirus. However, the sensationalizing of painting it as a race crime is always one that bothers me. There isn't even really a reason to report races in these crimes. We have seen more than a few cases where full blown riots have happened where the cop who did the act was black himself anyways. Is there anything to support that race played a matter in the situation? I would like to see the video to assess that.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

its weird that seemingly the only person here who also visits Resetera is Corrik since it seems to be extremely not his kind of people

If you know me, you would know I like to see differing opinions and debate among them (or laugh at how crazily far they go - Ala Suprak's frequent voyages to the T_D.).

One of the reasons I don't like visiting NeoGAF too much is that it seems to be a lot of people who identify with me politically but are so polarized to the ends past me that it kind of makes me just shake my head more than want to debate them. (Though I do and get told I am a snowflake and shit lol).

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changmas posted...

also perhaps someone could clarify this point for me. is the "bomb" that killed IGCD something known in mafia games? By which I mean, is "Bomber" a known role which operates by universal logic/rules across games? Or is the logic by which these bombs explode confined to this game in particular and therefore we would have to deduct the rules by which bombs explode?

Is it just as simple as something like...SCUM Bomber places a bomb on X player at night and when X player votes to lynch/votes for a hammer it automatically triggers? Or the Bomber can maybe manually trigger it?

There can be multiple different roles and we don't know what role is exactly what yet.

There can be target bombs which bomb a choice of a target upon a person being lynched (who was voting him). A bomb that blows up the last person. Etc.

This is the first time a Bomb Defuser to my knowledge has been in board 8 mafia. It was a role I fake claimed not too long ago as a Serial Killer Bomber.

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He is talking about the refusal to help town, body of lies, and etc that Puns did which led to his mislynch.

You said it best, Chang.

You can sit here and not be helpful but your only end game is to sit there for weeks to at the end say "I told you so". What was the freaking point?

That said, the newbies seem to know too much about the game too solidly. Last time I saw this fluid of an introduction to mafia, they were scum.

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https://twitter.com/gryking/status/1263639987112869888

Here, Jakyl. A lady resists a traffic ticket citation. Resisting arrest and not complying is literally the worst thing you can EVER do in a police situation.

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Jakyl25 posted...

But why should it be? If you are being arrested for a non-violent allegation, why should resisting arrest mean the situation has to escalate to violence, escalated there BY THE POLICE

I don't understand your question? If you are arrested for literally any reason and you resist, it will get physical. I could show you the video of the cop throwing down the white lady from her car that ResetERA was CHEERING on, if you wish? She resisted. She was detained physically. Including thrown from her car, tased, and etc.

Did a cop put his knee on her neck until she stopped breathing? No. That's obviously not how cops should be doing their job. But, resisting arrest is going to lead to a confrontation.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Corrik, you literally are defending THREE MEN piled on one man in handcuffs with one officer on his fucking neck for several minutes.

I haven't defended anything. I have asked for a video to assess it. I have stated that it seems like a cop doing a poor job that caused the death of a man unnecessarily. I mean, I have been pretty clear on that notion.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Like, I dont even want to have a society where police can violently arrest ANYONE for the crime Floyd allegedly committed

Resisting arrest always ends up with generally less than civil arrests. I am not saying there was resisting arrest occurring in this scenario. And, of course, the cop was wrong with the technique he was using and for how long and despite pleas of what seems like a man who had (if resisting earlier) submitted. What I am saying is, that not expecting a violent arrest in a resisting situation is basically just delusional tbqh.

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TheRock1525 posted...

We already saw the video. Three cops were on the man, including one on this neck, for several minutes while he was handcuffed and on the ground.

If you are defending this at all you are an inhuman piece of shit and I hope bad shit happens to you. There is no moral grey here, the man was down, he was cuffed, he was restrained, and he kept his knee on his neck for 7 god damn minutes. The officer who did it had 18 complaints against him before this happened. He is a murderer that should rot in fucking jail alongside child molesters and rapists.

Coolest thing I ever heard. Again. Does anyone have the full video of the incident? Does one exist? Red said he had one but it sounded like it was started halfway through the incident from the way he described it.

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Jakyl25 posted...

No we dont. Thats why people have to riot.

Just as much of a crime as murder. Ok.

Corrik we dont want you on our side this election

Yes. A crime is just as much as a crime as a crime is. Like, duh? Arson is a felony. It should be prosecuted as such. Because you have a good reason in your mind to commit a crime doesn't make it legally be okay.


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red13n posted...

It does not excuse any of his behavior once he has been restrained.

There is no point any of the wrong stuff he did suddenly becomes right.

Thanks for reiterating what I literally just said.

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red13n posted...

A video of him being non-compliant could come out and what it should actually change is...nothing.

It changes it some if so. Then the reason the cop is restraining him has merit. The way he is doing it and how is not excused. But, it does provide a bit of evidence to a cop doing his job wrong and not "white cops kill black man for being black".

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Jakyl25 posted...

This is the key sentence dude

This is why there are riots, because nothing changes

Also its interesting that you view the right as the authoritarian wing who will take a forceful stand against these riots

I am voting democrat this cycle most likely, but this is the kind of stuff that makes me disavow from the left. The law and order is supreme. If the cop was wrong, we have a justice system to determine that. Burning down things and looting stores is just as much of a crime that should be prosecuted just the same. Your reasons don't matter.

The evidence needs to all come out and be presented and justice determined. Some people don't like the results when the evidence is all laid out because they don't understand the law or they just want the results they want. It is usually pretty easy to see if the cops will go free or not in scenarios when you look at the surrounding evidence.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

People will forget about this in 2 weeks. I don't know what outrage cycle is more predictable: this or school shootings. Either way, I'll be VERY interested to see if any kind of tangible change comes out of this (or one of the inevitable future riots).

If this is like previous ones, a video will come out that shows resisting of arrest or failure to comply.

Not that it makes the cop using a pinning knee against a neck right, but it does change the narrative if it is like other scenarios.

There hasn't been too many of these situations where the person was complying and not resisting and the police were totally in the wrong. The guy driving who went for his license for the cop is the best case example I can think of the person following along and something bad happening.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Did you see the one I literally just posted

No. I'll look for it.

I don't see a video of the full incident anywhere.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Okay why do you think people are rioting

I would like to see the whole video of the incident still, but it's the same as every other riot. Because a black man was killed by police in what people feel was a gray area or worse.

We have seen this happen time and time again. Some of which the outrage over the incident could have been justified, and others when not.

The people in their homes while people rampage the streets and burn down buildings are the Innocents that are scared right now. These are the people that will go further and further right when elections come up.

The minute you took your cause of injustice to commiting literal crime across a city, you have lost your voice and your reason.

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GildedFool posted...

The cop drives past and fires a blast of pepper spray out the window unprovoked because ???

I didn't know they could pepper spray like that.

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Jakyl25 posted...

The innocents around the city scared for their lives are the ones rioting

Yeah okay.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

If the cops are truly racist, why would they?

The rioters are advancing more goals of the white supremacist ideology (destroying black neighborhoods, furthering racial segregation) than any white supremacist group has achieved since the 1950s.

Stuff like this pushes the state further right. The people sitting states away use it for fuel for the cause, but the Innocents around the city scared for their lives go further and further right.

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/stribrooks/status/1266186985041022976?s=21

Stuff like this doesnt help

I don't think I understand what I am looking at

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Oh hey Nelson's back.

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red sox 777 posted...

No, that's on the stable person. Unstable people can't reliably make good decisions, because they're unstable. As a society, we need to place decisionmaking power on the stable, not the unstable.

No. Absolutely not. You are not responsible for the insane actions others make unless you were in direct authority over them and ordered them to do so.

The only exception would be you repeatedly, specifically taking advantage of someone's mental condition or capacity in a very clear way.

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