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Recently, WRs have typically had a hard time getting in right away as there has been quite the logjam of candidates worthy of consideration over the past 5-10 years.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Well, maybe not finally. I am going to go ahead and kick off my nominations. I see stealth is an underrepresented genre in our history, so I'm going to nominate to kick things off:

Aragami
Hitman (2016)
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

And finally, Tacoma is available for Game Pass PC and XB1
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

And we have our second birthday game voting of the year. To celebrate MZero's birthday in March, he has put forth these two games for everyone to decide on:

Super Mario RPG (SNES/Wii/Wii U)

vs

Trials of Mana (SNES/Switch/PS4)

Just like the voting in December, go ahead and vote publicly in this topic, and you are free to rescind/change your vote up until the drawing.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Just-for-Fun Standings (among those who beat a game in 2017 or later)
KCF: 103
gameking: 97
Mr Crispy: 61
ArkOfTurus: 59
Lolo Guru: 59
KnightOfNee: 35
Cody: 26
Arti: 23
scarletspeed: 23
MegamanX: 22
Fenny: 15
Robazoid: 13
Wickle: 13
Suprak the Stud: 12
Shonen Bat: 10
profDEADPOOL: 8
Wigs: 8
Shaduln: 7
UndeadUnicorn: 7
darkx: 6
GreatPaul: 6
Johnbobb: 6
MZero: 6
BetrayedTangy: 5
MrSmartGuy: 5
paperwarior: 5
LordoftheMorons: 4
Bane: 3
Cavedweller: 2
FakeAccount: 2
KommunistKoala: 2
PrinceReva: 2
Waluigi1: 2
azuarc: 1
captaincanadian: 1
Harrich: 1
Kain66: 1
Not Dave: 1
Peace Frog: 1
SantaRPG: 1
SBell: 1
Steiner: 1
Tom Bombadil: 1
VintageGin: 1
Wiki: 1

Spreadsheet with history
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X8E8oqzES42W4S82j7WTfNnzNa8c3uXdSE1rnqYG7WM/edit?usp=sharing

Additional noms this month
Cody - 1
FakeAccount - 1
KCF - 1
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Februarys Games:
Tacoma (PC/XB1/PS4)
Crystalis (PC/XB1/PS4/NES/Switch/GBC)
OneShot (PC)

What is Game of the Month Club?
Game of the Month is a community project open to all B8ers where users share, discover, play and/or discuss a select few games every month. The games featured each month are chosen by YOU the users (and Lady Luck)

The Basics
- Each month will usually feature three games that were chosen via a random drawing from a pool of games that users nominated
- For each game you beat, you get a cool point on our just-for-fun standings as well as a nomination for next month's randomized drawing
- In order to receive the point and nomination, you must beat said game within the calendar month
- If you beat one of the current month's games in the previous month, you can apply for a "recently beaten waiver," but you will only receive a point and no nomination should you do so
- Drawing for next month's games is usually around a week before the end of the month
- If you periodically keep us posted on your progress and/or talk about different aspects of the games, then everyone will think you are super awesome!

Nomination Rules
- You get one nomination automatically each month
- You receive additional nominations each month for every chosen game that you beat
- Each game you nominate has to be unique from all other nominations and cannot include a game that has already been selected for GotM
- Each game must be a standalone game that can be acquired and played on its own (aka cannot be DLC/expansion that requires the base game)
- Nominations only carry over if you beat a chosen game after the drawing for next month's games but before the end of the month
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Knives Out
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

To Do:
- Send mccheyne Colts stats
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Control
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

And there is your 14-man ballot for this season's Hall of Fame. If you have any questions about the candidates, feel free to ask me. This took me many hours to compile, and a massive amount of it is the painstaking task of figuring out everyone's ranks since I have to do it all manually. In future seasons, I will probably only mention the rankings for a few stats to significantly cut down on time.

It's probably best if your format is along these lines:
Williams - Yes
Benson - No
etc...

I will also accept ballots that simply contain all of the players you are saying yes to, but you need to be explicit about that.

There is no set deadline as I am still several days away from starting RFA, so expect the deadline to come no sooner than Friday the 7th.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

12. SS Eric Weddle
- Played all 11 seasons for Rams (168 games)
- 670 tackles, 8 sacks, 26 INTs, 15 FFs, 11 FRs
- Season averages of 60.9 tackles, 0.7 sacks, 2.3 INTs, 1.3 FFs, 1.0 FRs

Weddle ranks 5th among DBs in career tackles and T-10th among all defenders in INTs

13. CB Domonique Foxworth
- Played S1-S3 for Giants, S4-S12 for Titans (106 games)
- 175 tackles, 24 INTs, 3 FFs, 3 FRs
- 6 career KR TDs
- 2-time Pro Bowler (S6, S10)

Foxworth ranks T-13th among all defenders in career INTs, 2nd in KR TDs

14. CB Victor Alejo
- Played all 8 seasons for the Pioneers (0 games)
- Earned $10+ mil in his career to show up for practice and otherwise be an overly-pampered NFL player without ever playing a down
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Will edit the rest of these LB stats in. I was just feeling overwhelmed with all the tabs and unposted info.

8. LOLB Leroy Hill
- Played all 12 seasons for 49ers (174 games)
- 1064 tackles, 47 sacks, 18 INTs, 15 FFs, 16 FRs, 2 Def TDs
- Season averages of 88.6 tackles, 3.9 sacks, 1.5 INTs, 1.2 FFs, 1.3 FRs
- 3-time Pro Bowler (S6, S7, S12)

Hill ranks 7th (6th among LBs) in career tackles, T-3rd among LBs in sacks, T-5th among LBs in INTs, T-10th among all defenders in FFs, T-10th in FRs

9. LOLB David Pollack
- Played all 12 seasons for Jaguars (181 games)
- 922 tackles, 38 sacks, 11 INTs, 14 FFs, 13 FRs, 4 Def TDs
- Season averages of 76.8 tackles, 3.1 sacks, 0.9 INTs, 1.1 FFs 1.0 FRs
- 2-time Pro Bowler (S5, S8)

Use other LBs as reference points as to his rankings

10. ROLB Demarcus Ware
- Played all 12 seasons for Rams (192 games)
- Started every possible B8NFLL game
- 875 tackles, 48 sacks, 18 INTs, 13 FFs, 22 FRs, 1 Def TD
- Season averages of 72.9 tackles, 4.0 sacks, 1.5 INTs, 1.1 FFs, 1.8 FRs
- Defensive Rookie of the Year (S1)
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S3)

Hill ranks 2nd among LBs in career sacks and 2nd overall in FRs. Use Hill/Merriman as benchmarks for other rankings.

11. LOLB Shawne Merriman
- Played S1-9 for Chiefs, S10-12 for Titans (154 games)
- 753 tackles, 41 sacks, 11 INTs, 12 FFs, 14 FRs
- Season averages of 62.7 tackles, 3.4 sacks, 0.9 INTs, 1.0 FFs, 1.1 FRs
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S10)

Merriman ranks 19th in tackles, T-10th among LBs in sacks, T-16th among LBs in INTs, and not as good as Hill in the other categories
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

5. RT Kareem McKenzie
- Played all 12 seasons for Jets (178 games)
- 818 blocks vs 72 sacks allowed (11.3 blocks per sack)
- Allowed single digit sacks in every season
- Season averages of 68.1 blocks vs 6.0 blocks allowed
- 8-time Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S4, S5, S7, S9, S10, S11)
- OL of the Year (S4)

McKenzie ranks 2nd in career blocks and 43rd in sacks allowed (6th among OTs)

6. RT Floyd Womack
- Played S1-S3 for Lightning, S4-6 for Giants, S7 for Colts, S8-S12 for Vikings (131 games)
- 535 blocks vs 49 sacks allowed (10.9 blocks per sack)
- Allowed six or fewer sacks in every season
- Season averages of 44.5 blocks vs 4.0 sacks allowed
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S5)

Womack ranks 15th in blocks, T-79th in sacks allowed (T-23rd among OTs)

7. C Chukky Okobi
- Played all 12 seasons for Raiders (157 games)
- 477 blocks vs 46 sacks allowed (10.3 blocks per sack)
- Season averages of 39.7 blocks vs 3.8 sacks allowed

Okobi ranks 30th in career blocks (11th among interior OL) and T-88th in sacks allowed (58th among interior OL)
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

1. HB Carnell Williams
- Played all 12 seasons for Packers (171 games)
- 3322 carries for 14290 yards (4.3 YPC), 82 TDs, 39 fumbles (1 every 4.3 games)
- 495 receptions for 4500 yards (9.0 YPC), 19 TDs
- Season averages of 276.8 carries for 1190.8 yards, 41.2 receptions for 375 yards, 8.4 total TDs
- 3-time Pro Bowler (S4, S6, S7)
- Rookie of the Year (S1)
- Running Back of the Year (S10)

Carnell ranks 1st among HBs in career rushing yards, 2nd in rushing TDs, 3rd in receptions, 2nd in receiving yards, 3rd in receiving TDs

2. HB Cedric Benson
- Played S1-S6 for Titans, S7 for Pioneers, S8 for Patriots, S9-12 for Bills (131 games)
- 2822 carries for 11047 yards (3.9 YPC), 67 TDs, 26 fumbles (1 every 5.0 games)
- 192 receptions for 1231 yards (6.4 YPC), 7 TDs
- Season averages of 235.1 carries for 920.5 yards, 16.0 receptions for 102.5 yards, 6.1 total TDs
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S10)

Benson ranks 4th among HBs in career rushing yards, T-5th in rushing TDs, 17th in receptions, 21st in receiving yards, T-17th in receiving TDs

3. HB Laurence Maroney
- Played all 11 seasons for Wildcats (154 games)
- 2305 carries for 9990 yards (4.3 YPC), 70 TDs, 31 fumbles (1 every 4.9 games)
- 297 receptions for 2432 yards (8.1 YPC), 7 TDs
- Season averages of 209.5 carries for 908.1 yards, 27.0 receptions for 221.0 yards, 7.0 total TDs
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S11)

Maroney ranks 6th among HBs in career rushing yards, 4th in rushing TDs, 7th in receptions, 7th in receiving yards, T-17th in receiving TDs

4. FB Brian Leonard
- Played all 11 seasons for Broncos (162 games)
- 1797 carries for 6937 yards (3.8 YPC), 75 TDs, 16 fumbles (1 every 10.1 games)
- 162 receptions for 1236 yards (7.6 YPC), 13 TDs
- 11-time Pro Bowler (every season of his career)

Leonard ranks 1st among FBs in everything by a mile
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

B8NFLL Hall of Fame Ballot

The following posts will contain players and their career accomplishments up for immortalization. Last season, four players were on the ballot and all four were enshrined. With last season also being our first year doing this, people were noticeably wary of having all the nominees be enshrined, so to ease some concerns, I will try to have 10-15 players on the ballot every year, so there will be some obvious no votes. There is no way for me to find out a player's career ranks within B8NFLL, so when it comes to stats, I will provide where they rank in a particular stat (possibly even by a particular position) among active and recently retired players at the moment of their retirement (aka now).

I originally had a hardline stance of only considering players who debuted in the inaugural season or later and incumbent players whose career stat line showed no production entering the inaugural season (mostly OL). I immediately made one exception to include Tatum Bell who holds the record for most rushing yards in a season and whose stats pre-B8NFLL were clearly laid out and were in line with what I read online. There were only a few other players like Bell that I would have considered to make an exception for, but I have decided to scrap that idea, and will continue with my original thought, so unfortunately Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson will not be making the list.

Participation is of course voluntary, and you can post your responses, PM them to me, discuss or whatever. You decide what your criteria for selection is. You can base it solely off of the context of B8NFLL, compare to real life stats, or some marriage of the two. We had a decent turnout last season, but given how active participation in the league has its ups and valleys, I don't think that I will have a specific target percentage of Yes votes that will ensure enshrinement. It will of course be north of 50% at the very least.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

F-Zero X
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

I have only seen two of his films, and I like Die Hard, but it's easily Predator
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Sunday the 9th
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Are you kidding me? I only voted when you said there was less than 20 minutes because I counted the votes, and it was a tie.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Yooka-Laylee
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

In terms of B8NFLL coaching trees, they are pretty paltry given the trend for loyalty and re-treads. One has emerged above the rest though. Nick Saban was originally the Dolphins head coach, and has been out of football since he left his post in this alternate reality.

His DC in Richard Smith had a winning record as HC of the Giants including multiple playoff appearances. He is currently the Rams DC.

His OC for many seasons in Brett Favre has been the HC for the Vikings for the past four seasons, which has resulted in three playoff appearances in four seasons, and a playoff victory in each trip. He is 40-30 entering his fifth season.

His final OC was Vinny Testaverde who is 83-43 as a head coach. He succeeded Saban and was able to bring the Dolphins their first B8NFLL SB title and led the Pumpkins to their first playoff appearance.

An OC under Testaverde and Saban's QB for the Dolphins in B8NFLL SB IV, Kerry Collins took over when the Pumpkins lured Testaverde away after S10. In his two seasons at the helm, he helped make the Dolphins become the first franchise to back-to-back SB victories. He is 28-10 entering his third season with the club.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Falcons cut HB Arian Foster
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Even though 90% of the league is flush with cap space, I have decided to increase the salary cap by $1 mil to $163 mil for this season. That should cover the expected rise in RFA tenders at any rate.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

I think it is @Menji who usually runs this, but I realize we are just over a week away from the Academy Awards, so I thought I would check in.

If Menji left B8 or died, I can try and cobble something together this weekend, but I don't know what the past history was or how scoring was set up + tiebreakers.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

High Life
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Alita: Battle Angel
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Pumpkins have released HB LenDale White
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

To Do:
- Hall of Fame Ballot
- Send mccheyne Colts stats
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
- Determine salary cap
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Head Coaches Around the League

I don't think that I have ever done an overview of the league's head coaches. I will list the head coach from each division and include their record as a head coach. It will include Ws/Ls from any head coaching stint prior to B8NFLL as well as the playoffs.

AFC West
Denver Broncos - Donnie Henderson (72-72)
Kansas City Chiefs - Rex Ryan (19-29)
Oakland Raiders - Norv Turner (149-174-1)
Washington Hawks - Jeff Fisher (152-139)

AFC East
Buffalo Bills - Mike Sherman (107-91)
Miami Dolphins - Kerry Collins (28-10)
New England Patriots - Dante Scarnecchia (80-98)
New York Jets - Michael Strahan (14-18)

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens - Bill Belichick (66-81) (he is listed as NE Coach in the game and must have erased record with Browns/Pats prior to 2005 season)
Cincinnati Bengals - Mike Holmgren (211-193)
Mexico City Browns - Lovie Smith (87-110-1)
Pittsburgh Steelers - Bill Cowher (251-172-2)

AFC South
Columbus Pioneers - Dom Capers (129-183)
Indianapolis Colts - Ron Meeks (8-8)
Jacksonville Jaguars - Mark Brunell (60-56-1)
Tennessee Titans - Jamie Sharper (0-0)

NFC West
San Francisco 49ers - Mike Nolan (99-97-1)
Seattle Seahawks - Marty Shottenheimer (270-205-3)
St. Louis Rams - Brian Billick (150-149-1)
Toronto Wildcats - Tom Coughlin (183-170)

NFC East
Dallas Cowboys - Corey Dillon (29-9)
Las Vega Pumpkins - Vinny Testaverde (83-43)
New York Giants - Jerry Gray (69-66)
Washington Redskins - Will Shields (8-8)

NFC North
Chicago Bears - Mike Singletary (31-49)
Detroit Lions - Steve Mariucci (181-157)
Green Bay Packers - Jon Gruden (170-119)
Minnesota Vikings - Brett Favre (40-30)

NFC South
Anaheim Lightning - Andy Reid (121-98)
Atlanta Falcons - Jim Mora Jr. (113-106)
Carolina Panthers - Ron Rivera (9-23)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Mike Zimmer (45-40)
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

ShatteredElysium posted...

How old was Alejo when he retired? Was it due to age or did he just regress to such a point he called it quits?

31. Once a player hits a certain age related to their position, they must maintain a minimum overall rating to keep playing. I guess we know that by age 31, a CB must be higher than 53 at the very least.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

With me moving on from the Dolphins, there remains just three teams that have been under user control for every season:

Giants (Eddv for all 13)
Lions (Nee for all 13)
Packers (Cody/Kora/Tangicide)
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

I don't think that is necessary right now. I would rather that info be up as people start to come back to the league and look at things.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

The Almighty Slash Line

All contracts will be presented to you via slash lines. It is imperative that you interpret and understand a slash line and its components, so here is an example to kick off my seasonal explanation:

3 / $7.50 mil / $1.80 mil

3 = length in seasons that the contract will last. All contracts will end up being between 1-7 seasons in length. There are some in-game and league-mandated limitations on length, but I will explain that rather soon.

$7.50 mil = Total salary that a player will earn over the life of the contract should the contract not be reworked while still under said contract or the player released.

Using this example, the player will receive $7.50 mil over three seasons, which gives him an average cap hit of $2.50 mil. His cap hit will not be $2.50 mil in each season though. This contract will see the player's cap hit rise each season, so his first year cap hit might be $2.12 mil, $2.47 mil for the second season, and $2.91 mil for the final season.

$1.80 mil = Portion of total salary that is guaranteed, aka signing bonus. For most, this is the hardest thing to grasp about the slash line and contracts in general. The NFL does not have fully guaranteed contracts, which means that what a player signs for might not actually be what they receive in the end. The team that signs a player to a contract will always be on the hook for the final figure in a slash line, with the only exception being if a player retires while under contract.

Using this example, the player might have a cap hit of $2.12, $2.47, and $2.91 mil in the first, second, and third seasons. However, his signing bonus is stretched out evenly across every season. The annual bonus in this contract would be $600k ($1.80 mil / 3 years). The annual bonus is a feature on the team financial sheet, so that info will always be available to you.

Now, if you trade or release a player under contract with guaranteed money, you will receive a reduction in your salary cap space, aka cap penalty, that is equal to their annual bonus x the years remaining on their contract. Using this example once again, let's say the player is released after the first season. That would leave him with $1.20 mil left in guaranteed money ($600k annual bonus x 2 years left on contract). The team that signed him to that contract would then be issued a cap penalty the following offseason to the tune of $1.20 mil.

If that player would be traded instead, the original team would receive the same cap penalty, but the new team would have a discounted contract. Because the original team is always on the hook for the guaranteed money, the $1.20 mil that is still owed that player is taken out of the contract for the new team. If the cap hits for years 2 and 3 were originally $2.47 and $2.91 mil and the annual bonus was $600k, then the new cap hits for the new team would be $1.87 and $2.31 mil. The new team could then release or trade the player at any time without financial repercussions since the contract no longer had any guaranteed money attached.

Finally, in case someone doesn't know, mil = dollars in millions while k = dollars in thousands.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Offseason in a Nutshell

Every user this season is a returner, so none of these should need much explanation to anyone. There are four major events during the offseason. They will be explained in full detail when the time comes, but here they are:

1. Restricted Free Agency
2. Unrestricted Free Agents
3. NFL Draft + Signing Rookies
4. Free Agency

Restricted Free Agency - This is easily the most complex of the four, yet it is the one that has the lowest activity. A small sub-section of players whose contracts run out are considered restricted free agents. These players can, but do not have to, be signed by their original teams to a 1 year contract at one of three fixed amounts. Those that do sign can then be offered contracts by any of the other 31 teams to multiyear deals. Any team who has a player sign a contract with another team will then have the opportunity to match said contract or let them sign with another team and receive NFL Draft pick compensation.

Unrestricted Free Agents - Any player with an expired contract who was not considered a restricted free agent is thus an unrestricted free agent. Teams then can elect to re-sign the remaining players or let them enter the free agent market. Unlike the previous event, the other 31 teams cannot do anything to you, so you are free to operate without outside pressure. There are a few more wrinkles, but it is pretty straightforward.

NFL Draft + Signing Rookies - This is an event where all 32 teams can select college football players to join their team. Each team normally has seven draft picks, one for each of the seven rounds of the draft. The order that a team selects is based on their record and playoff performance, if applicable, from the season before. Earlier in the topic, I mentioned this season's draft order, and all teams are free to trade draft picks. After the draft, a separate period of time is devoted to signing all the players that a team drafted.

Free Agency - All players not signed or re-signed in the previous three events enter the free agent pool, and this is the time that every team is able to bid on the services of those without a team (aka free agents).
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

I mentioned this in Discord, but I should post it here too, that after 12 seasons of being the GM of the Dolphins, I have decided it is time for a change of scenery and will be the first user to take over the Columbus Pioneers/Houston Texans franchise. It isn't that much of a change of scenery given I was born, raised, and still live in Columbus, but it's something different!
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

To Do:
- Hall of Fame Ballot
- Inform users player demands
- Send mccheyne Colts stats
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
- Determine salary cap
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

NFL Draft Order
1. Chiefs
2. Titans
3. Panthers
4. Jets
5. Lions
6. Browns
7. Bears
8. Bills
9. 49ers
10. Lightning
11. Bengals
12. Steelers
13. Pioneers
14. Falcons
15. Redskins
16. Seahawks
17. Colts
18. Wildcats
19. Giants
20. Broncos
21. Rams
22. Pumpkins
23. Patriots
24. Ravens
25. Vikings
26. Hawks
27. Buccaneers
28. Raiders
29. Jaguars
30. Packers
31. Cowboys
32. Dolphins

Bears own Dolphins 3rd + 5th
Dolphins own Bears 2nd + 3rd + 5th, Falcons 2nd + 3rd + 5th
Falcons own Dolphins 6th
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Pioneers
WR Troy Williamson
DT Albert Haynesworth
WR Vincent Jackson
CB Justin Wyatt
DT Marcus Tubbs
LE Marquise Hill
CB Victor Alejo (the man who captured all of our hearts)

Pumpkins
C Justin Hartwig
LOLB Mark Zalewski
CB Alan Ball

Raiders
C Chukky Okobi (477 blocks, 46 sacks allowed)
TE Chris Cooley
DT Rien Long
DT Dan Klecko

Rams
FB Jason Snelling
WR Roy Williams (912 rec for 11301 yards, 86 TDs)
SS Eric Weddle
LE Julius Peppers (511 tackles, 100 sacks, 3 INTs, 19 FFs, 10 FRs)
ROLB Demarcus Ware (875 tackles, 48 sacks, 18 INTs, 13 FFs, 22 FRs)
LE Niko Koutouvides
HB Dontrell Moore
RT Jacob Bell
WR Clarence Moore
CB Will Blackmon

Ravens
RT Maurice Williams
SS Michael Boulware (557 tackles, 15 sacks, 39 INTs, 14 FFs, 12 FRs)

Redskins
LT Leonard Davis
C Melvin Fowler
HB Terrence Whitehead (400+ rushing yards with 8 of the 9 teams he played for)
QB Matt Leinart
CB Jimmy Williams

Seahawks
FB Quadtrine Hill (4910 total yards, 57 TDs)
P Brian Mooreman
FS Will Herring
RG Jake Scott

Steelers
none

Titans
FB Victor Mann
LOLB Shawne Merriman (753 tackles, 41 sacks, 11 INTs, 12 FFs, 14 FRs)
CB Domonique Foxworth

Vikings
RT Floyd Womack (535 blocks, 49 sacks allowed)
C Ross Tucker
LE Will Smith
LG Adrien Clarke
RE Igor Olshansky

Wildcats
HB Laurence Maroney (12422 total yards, 77 TDs)
WR Chris Henry
TE Steven Hogan
CB Ahmad Carroll
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49ers
WR Andre Johnson (977 rec for 13112 yards, 110 TDs)
LOLB Leroy Hill (1064 tackles, 47 sacks, 18 INTs, 15 FFs, 16 FRs)

Giants
FS C.C. Brown

Hawks
FB James Coleman
WR Brandon Jones
C Donovan Raiola
TE Jeff King

Jaguars (all players selected by the team in the inaugural season's franchise draft)
LG Matt Lehr
K David Akers
LOLB David Pollack (922 tackles, 38 sacks, 11 INTs, 14 FFs, 13 FRs)
ROLB Kevin Burnett
QB Dan Orlovsky

Jets
RT Kareem McKenzie (818 blocks, 72 sacks allowed)
TE Teyo Johnson
HB Brian Calhoun (had his only 1000 yard rushing campaign in his final season at 33 years old)
LG Derrick Dockery
CB Chris Gamble
RG Wade Smith

Lightning
FB Adrian Byrd
QB Eli Manning
TE Alex Smith
WR Terrence Murphy
RT Jordan Black
CB Jonathan Wade

Lions
FB Roger Allison
QB Jason Campbell
CB Tramon Williams
LE Osi Umenyiora
QB Derek Anderson

Packers
RT Kevin Barry
HB Carnell Williams (18790 total yards, 101 TDs)
WR Demetrius Williams
TE Martin Rucker
ROLB Channing Crowder (611 tackles, 36 sacks, 11 INTs, 15 FFs, 16 FRs)

Panthers
none

Patriots
CB Ellis Hobbs
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If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Player Retirements by Team

Bears
none

Bengals
FB Rashon Powers-Neal
FS Madieu Williams
CB Rod Council
DT Tank Johnson

Bills
DT Kris Jenkins
C Roberto Garza
HB Cedric Benson (11047 rushing yards, 74 total TDs)

Broncos
FB Brian Leonard (8173 total yards, 88 TDs)
WR Keary Colbert (916 rec for 11276 yards, 86 TDs)
P Hunter Smith
WR Jerome Mathis
CB Jason Allen
ROLB Chad Greenway (1st round pick by Bucs in first NFL Draft)
DT Jon Bradley

Browns
LT Adrian Jones
LOLB Vince Redd

Buccaneers
SS Daniel Bullocks
WR Nate Burleson (925 rec for 12595 yards, 95 TDs)
DT John Henderson (773 tackles, 97 sacks, 13 FFs, 21 FRs)
HB Robert Merrill
QB Tyler Palko
C Eric Ghiaciuc
P Jason Baker
LOLB John Kerr

Chiefs
RG Steve Sciullo
DT Jimmy Kennedy
RE Junior Siavii
CB Antwan Allen

Colts
HB Steven Jackson (17534 total yards, 98 TDs)
RG Cosey Coleman
MLB Nick Barnett (1345 tackles, 30 sacks, 26 INTs, 8 FFs, 15 FRs)
TE Ben Troupe
LE Richard Seymour (620 tackles, 102 sacks, 1 INT, 15 FFs, 9 FRs)

Cowboys
SS Troy Polamalu (1164 tackles, 29 sacks, 38 INTs, 23 FFs, 13 FRs)
P Chad Stanley
CB Dunta Robinson (315 tackles, 3 sacks, 31 INTs, 13 FFs, 3 FRs)
RE Robert Mathis
RG Scott Kooistra

Dolphins
K Kris Brown
LOLB D.J. Williams (985 tackles, 47 sacks, 33 INTs, 13 FFs, 12 FRs)
ROLB Daryl Smith (1130 tackles, 62 sacks, 23 INTs, 19 FFs, 18 FRs)
QB David Greene
QB Matt Schaub
DT Sam Rayburn

Falcons
C Dominic Raiola
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If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Coaching Changes

I say this every year, but I have found no evidence that suggests that your coaching staff has any impact on your team in a pure sim like this. Any changes in the coaching strategy as a result of a new coaching staff can be negated through user intervention. That being said, I like to reveal coaching changes since I believe most of us are curious about them.

Coaching Retirements
Lions ST coach Al Roberts

Head Coach
Chiefs hire Hawks DC Rex Ryan
Panthers hire former Titans HC Ron Rivera
Titans hire Rams DC Jamie Sharper

Offensive Coordinator
Bills hire former 49ers OC Gil Haskell
Colts hire Cowboys OC Hue Jackson
Cowboys hire former Chiefs OC Dennis Green
Falcons hire former Jets OC Greg Knapp
49ers hire Wildcats OC Tom Clements
Giants hire Pats OC Marc Trestman
Lightning hire Giants OC John Hufnagel
Panthers hire Steelers OC Rod Smith
Patriots hire Colts OC Mike Martz
Ravens hire Lightning OC Mike Tice
Steelers hire former Lightning OC Mike Sheppard
Wildcats hire Ravens OC Muhsin Muhammad

Defensive Coordinator
Bengals hire Titans DC Mike Smith
Browns hire 49ers DC Jim Nelson
Buccaneers hire former Bengals DC Jeremy Lynn
Chiefs hire former Titans DC Tim Lewis
49ers hire Chiefs HC Tony Dungy
Hawks hire Bucs DC Kyle Shottenheimer
Jets hire Lightning DC London Fletcher
Lightning hire Bengals DC Willy Robinson
Pumpkins hire Panthers HC Rob Venturi
Rams hire Jets DC Richard Smith
Redskins hire former Bengals DC Pat Williams
Titans hire former Giants DC John Fox
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If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Hub Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10gIP0JkVqOaoUc4aQX_NyDM8dB31FOPm_dUx6DVTWPk/edit?usp=sharing

Word Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RVeEIyjqIiEkS0VYvbsI02dWMDXyOgdVQAgThNJyIfc/edit?usp=sharing

Wiki Page
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Board_8_National_Football_League_League

Previous Topics (alive as of this moment)
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78188213
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78009170
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78269886

lmao, I only voted in the last match because it went into OT the first time.
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If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

A Hidden Life

Klaus

1917
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handsomeboy2012 posted...

Very interested to hear your guesses, like who committed the murders in the route, and on the first Cyclops Killers cases

Uh, the game has an unreliable storytelling presentation. What I mean by that is there are reasons to believe things aren't real (both in the macro sense with the flowchart possibly being various dreams/the whole game is a somnium and also the entire concept of the somnium is the muddling of reality and fantasy). There being multiple psync machines, Renju having knowledge of the concept, and also the game being so close to the vest with pertinent info makes this an exercise in futility. Let's also not forget that they aren't being clear who is experiencing what (the flashbacks are what I have in mind). I don't think transferring my Zerometer to this game (Cylocmeter?) will work.

There are six pages still blank on the character album. It's unclear what kind of characters those six will be. They could all be people from the past for all I know. Gun-to-head, my top three for the Cyclops Killings from six years ago are:

1. Sejima
2. Date
3. Boss

I am entirely convinced that Falco's tenure working for the Kumakuras was as a standard lone-wolf hitman. There is a large chasm between how the Cyclops Killer is portrayed and how Falco carries himself and recounts his past.

Sejima has an unknown relationship to the Kumakuras that seems to include a long-term friendship. Sejima seems like the kind of character incapable of loving the way others can. There aren't many known characters who six years ago could pull off what the Cyclops Killers did, be friends with Rohan, and also get Falco to be the fall guy willingly. Sejima seems to be as good of a bet as any.

Is there a coincidence that as Falco left law enforcement, Date entered it and in a clandestine outfit such as ABIS? He has no recollection of his past, there are have been a half dozen or so remarks by Aiba about getting a constant dose of something, his past self was shown killing one of the victims to death on Iris' somnium TVs, and maybe the most important is that he is the main character. There has to be a reason why HE is the main character here. It's certainly not for his skills in law enforcement, and it seems my kind-of-joking, kind-of-not theory of him being Falco/Hitomi's boyfriend/Iris' father figure is a total bust now. Him being the original Cyclops Killer would clear the air about a few things.

While I have absolutely no idea why Boss would film herself, face and body included, killing Sejima, I don't think there's any room to doubt she pulled the trigger. With that established, and the image of Boss entering the Sagan's in Falco's somnium, she could have a strong link to Rohan (siblings? lovers?). Unlike someone petite such as Shoko, Boss has the size to overpower and maintain control over her victims (I am really just talking about the holding down and choking/beating with a rock murders) as shown by Iris' somnium that presumably showed the Cyclops Killings on the TVs.
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If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

scaryice posted...

I'm amazed you could play all these Japanese games and not know that.

You must have me confused for someone else because I seldom play modern Japanese games.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

what a dork
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

I don't know how to order them, but I know how to tier them!

Tier 1:
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Django Unchained
Once Upon A Time in Hollywood

Tier 2:
Jackie Brown
Inglorious Basterds
The Hateful Eight

Tier 3:
Kill Bill Vol. 2

Tier 4:
Kill Bill Vol. 1
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu

Day 4: Monday kikAI

So immediately after leaving the machine, Pewter said Sejima met a very yucky end and had his left eye removed. Looking at Boss' computer, we see footage of her shooting Sejima while he was still alive and after his left eye was removed. I was then met with a locked end.

After the disaster that was my first run, this second run has pulled me right back in. I can possibly see Boss as the true Cyclops Killer or even groomed by Rohan/true Cyclops Killer to become the current copycat killer. There's no way she weighs 105 lbs, so I will feel cheated if at the very least she is the one who went into the elevator and set up Renju's scene at Sunfish Pocket.

I don't think that I am mentally ready to go back to the right/Iris path side, so I am going with my other option by going to Iris' somnium at the dreary warehouse room and hit the TV this time.
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KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy
If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu