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shockthemonkey posted...

Hey if youre trying to be better, please dont say a transgender. You wouldnt say a black or a gay. Theyre people. Call them people.

Someone else has already mentioned this. I have not said a transgender since that post. Even though I asked for a better term and was not given one. I apologize. But I did change after.

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Well, it was moreso that you posted a argument that was already posted prior. And I definitely answered why I didnt. So I dunno why you didnt respond to either of these posts:

cuttin_in_farm posted...

People dont know what they dont know.

I.E., I thought I knew what a transgender was. However responses contradicted what I originally thought to be true, so I was asking questions.

One does not research about arithmetic, for example, before contributing to a conversation on it. Most people believe they know it well enough, even if they may not be good at math.

But new concepts and ideas they were not aware of cause them to realize they have questions.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Because again, for the Just use Wikipedia lel, if you do not know you do not know something, and youre in the middle of a conversation where you yourself are being asked questions, one does not think to research in the middle of it

Instead you snipped one sentence out of a later post (completely ignoring the point and context), just to regurgitate the same post countless others have posted. I explained why.

And you didnt even use the concept of close-minded correctly. You can claim I wasnt intelligent or resourceful by not Googling. But both the acts of researching or asking questions correlate to being open-minded as youre willing to learn of new ideas.

This wasnt a situation of someone telling me to research something because I was wrong, and I chose not to.

This is me saying something that was incorrect, someone correcting me, and I ask clarifying questions to understand.

Its important to read the other topic as well. Though it my be purged by now.

To elaborate on your last sentence, I do think this mindset a lot of posters itt are showing contributes to continued ignorance. And I elaborate on that too. But you know whats ironic? It was a deleted post in this topic lol. I was literally looking for it and its gone.

Did you know that on a recent season of CBS Survivor, there was a transgender player? My family were confused. You see, it was a trans male, who was homosexual. So a woman who transitions to a man but is attracted to men.

My family questioned why he transitioned if he already liked men. They were mixing someones gender identity with sexual orientation. I had to explain the difference.

Do yall realize how many Americans do not know about, nor interact with transgender people whatsoever?

What is common knowledge to yall is anything but. Not everyone is apart of progressive twitter. However, removing questions or accusations of concern trolling does something. It makes people just not talk. Because heres the thing. If people are worried about asking questions because they get attacked or labeled things, they wont learn. They wont research because they think they know about the subject. So now what? You get a massive amount of people who are ignorant, dont know it, and the people who are knowledgeable immediately shut down those who make ignorant statements or questions because they should know better.

My post was modded because I said Most Americans dont deal with transgender people in their lives. Literally. Thats the offensive statement I made.

This level of egg shell walking only slows progression.

So yes.

scar the 1 posted...

how it's really because of this that people are transphobic.

This is a factor in why people are still transphobic.

But no one will actually acknowledge it. Its not that serious. Its a troll topic.

Of course.

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Like, obviously where characters have abilities or mutant powers.

Im gonna say yes. Ive yet to see an episode of a show that so cleverly introduced a cast of characters and hinting at their special powers and applications like Narutos written exam test.

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scar the 1 posted...

Apparently you're not open-minded enough to type "transgender wikipedia" into a google field, clicking on the first result and reading maybe three lines of text. Instead you make a 100+ post topic about how you were the wronged one and how it's really because of this that people are transphobic.

But no, you're not being disingenuous here.

@scar_the_1

The post before yours was 6/10/2020 @4:47 pm est.

You proceed to bump the topic at 6/11/2020 @7:51 am est.

So you had time. Did you read this topic at all? Or just skim a couple of posts and post that? Legit question.

Same for you, @ultimate_reaver . Though youre likely just trolling.

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Zikten posted...

A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong

No it isnt.
UnlikedMonkey posted...

The rescue squad and dive team were en route before

Those guys are the swimmers.

Cops dont pull up to save drowning people. They come with the guys that do if thats what the call is about.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

If they cant swim holy fuck what a useless bunch of jerkoff cops they got there. One cop not being able to swim I could maybe buy but even thats unlikely. None of them being able to? Total bs.

And they can take their equipment off before they go in. Thats not a hard thing to do. As for the uniform who gaf if it gets wet?

UnlikedMonkey posted...

One of those officers could not swim, Lewis told ABC News, and the second officer was taking off his gear to get in, but the first Winchester officer stopped him.

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UnlikedMonkey posted...

"We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that," Lewis said. "You've got to have a flotation device tied off somewhere to the bank where they can rescue you if something happens."
The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Baldwin drowned, the incident report said.
Lewis also noted that it was the middle of the night and pitch-black on the shore of the lake, with the exception of their flashlights.

Hell, this already makes it a fair, next.

Dont run because of a minor traffic violation and then jump in water if you cannot swim well.

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Eh... This one isnt that clear cut.

They were in a car chase with the guy, and he willingly got out a car and got in water to swim. I would think he knew how to swim.

It would depend on how obviously he was drowning tbh.

UnlikedMonkey posted...

The lake is in a wooded, overgrown area, where it's unclear how deep the water is. Officers were also concerned whether Baldwin would engage in a struggle with police considering he had already fled, according to Lewis.
"That's the reason we didn't jump in," Lewis said. "If my officer got in there and got tied up with him [and got pulled under,] it's just a bad situation."

This is a legitimate concern.

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commenters came after Chase. Euthanize the police dog, they said.

Jesus F. Christ!

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His family apparently also did a fundraiser on a quick google search.

The rookie cop who asked if Floyd should be rolled over.

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Anteaterking posted...

The mods shouldn't leave things frequently used by instigators/trolls up just because there's a chance they *might* be genuine. You got an answer to your question. Move on.

What about the inverse?

The mods shouldnt delete things frequently asked because theres a chance they *might* be instigators/trolls.

Because I think theres a fine line between using slurs or legit mocking versus a question. A question can offend, yes, but a question should not be modded unless its blatantly disingenuous.

Anteaterking posted...

Like if you're trying to indicate to people that you're not transphobic,

Not the point of the topic. Im upset about posts being removed. I am slightly transphobic, but Im trying to understand their side when it comes up. People grow believing certain things to be true. But until people are willing to have open discourse, that will not change.

Yes, my question was answered. This time. But what happens if everyone has the same mindset as Pus_N_Pecans or the moderator that modded me? What then? Im trying to urge people to not just get rid of any question they disagree with. I shockingly got a positive reception this time until the moderation. The moderation is what I want to address.

Anteaterking posted...

Your examples are disingenuous. I'm talking about intentionally flipping someone off but not knowing what that means contextually, not incidentally holding up your middle finger. You typed out your question, you didn't mash the keys and accidentally post it.

Someone would have to purposely have to raise their middle finger. So I guess I dont get your analogy. One raising the finger for one purpose, but people perceiving it for another seemed like a good analogy to me.

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shockthemonkey posted...

I know, thats the part where its pathetic. Youre on a website full of concern trolls who never post in good faith and youre upset that you sounded like one of them. Its going to be ok. It isnt a big deal.

...Hm..

Never thought of it that way...

I guess...

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shockthemonkey posted...

So you got your question answered and didnt lose karma and youre still melting down about this?

Come on man. It was a dumb moderation but, how bored can you be that this is worth it?

This is a serious issue to me. The constant need to assume the absolute worst intent of others CONSTANTLY in life is whats leading to so many issues imo. I want to address it.

If its not worth it for you, cool. It is to me. You dont have to post here if its not important for you. I mean that nicely.

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Proofpyros posted...

You couldnt have joined the conversation and informed them like other people in that topic?

That would require them to actually try being helpful and productive.

People nowadays just block things they dont like and call that progress.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

You learned that it was offensive to refer to trans people as crossdressers if nothing else. And nothing was censored anyway, you even got your question answered in another post before you were moderated.

I'm out now by the way.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Yes.

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Anteaterking posted...

I mean the reason this is a bad comparison is usually in this situation, those parents just get mad and rant about common core and the new curriculum being bad when in reality they never actually understood the math in the first place.

No, that doesnt make it a bad comparison. It only reinforces my point.

If people dont know things, they can have many reactions. Im more open-minded, so Im willing to change what I thought I knew.

Now imagine people like those stubborn parents or someone stuck in their ways. Removing their voice when they didnt know pretty much ensures they will never learn out of spite.

This is not the right approach.

Anteaterking posted...

Flipping someone off in western culture is offensive. If you do it without knowing what it meant, it's still offensive. The ignorance of the person doing it might impact how you approach the situation in terms of possible learning and such, but it doesn't mean it's not offensive.

Consequences should vary. Someone who is counting and so happens to drop to his middle finger shouldnt be seens as someone trying to flip someone off in a humorous fashion.

Or more realistically, I use my middle finger to rub my eyes or straighten my eye brows a lot. One person once asked why I flipped them off to my confusion. When talking about it, I discovered my habit, and they came to understand flipping him off wasnt my intention.

But we talked about it. No harm no foul.

On Gamefaq, you cannot. If I was to dispute the two moderations I have, mods wont care.

In this very topic people are saying Well, duh. EVERYONE knows that! Ever hear of wikipedia?? *snort*

There is no discussion. Just accusations.

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Jabodie posted...

So you mean like a set of equations on a board where I have no key words to follow? Or like I'm starting from somewhere like "wtf I thought math was just numbers, what are these letters doing here?"

More like the latter.

Think about parents who thought Math? I was pretty good at this. Ill help you out, son, but then realize how people do math now is completely different than what they thought. At the first sign of difference, people arent going to just cave in and assume they no longer know. They are going to continue for a little bit until its obvious they are behind.

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Jabodie posted...

Let's say I used the n word with a black friend IRL about what it meant because I legitimately did not know it was offensive. Would it be unreasonable to for him/her to be offended and ask for an apology? I don't think so. It was still offensive, even if the intent wasn't to be offensive.

This is where you and I differ. I dont like banning words across the board, so intent has to be a factor when it comes to censoring. A post being removed on a public forum would have to be purposefully offensive for me to agree removing it.

Because if the person doesnt know, there WILL be others who dont either. Removing the question or mistake is akin to banning books that use the N word. Youre stifling discussion and understanding between people with different life experiences.

People can be offensive about anything. Intent has to be present.

Anteaterking posted...

Why are you this concerned about being moderated though? You're acting like you were banned for asking a question.

Also the premise of this topic is absurd regardless of the context of your individual incident. Obviously I would get moderated if I said something like "Why shouldn't <marginalized group> all be thrown in prison?".

Ignore the topic title. I was angry and knee jerk reacted on the title.

But Im upset that things (even in this topic) are being deleted. I dont agree with deleting things that offend you if the person isnt trying to offend.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Being a crossdresser is obviously different than being trans.

I didnt fucking say crossdressing was being trans.

New information surfaced about what I previously thought being trans was, so I asked a question to help me understand.

Read the full conversation.

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Jabodie posted...

Personally the first place I go when introduced to new math concepts is some place like Wikipedia if I'm not shit posting.

You have to first realize the math concept is new to do this.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Yes and yes,

No you didnt. Theres no way you read anything with any level of seriousness if you saw that as trolling. Theres a specific reason I backed out of the conversation when I learned social transitioning is a concept.

I have bad news for yall if this is the reaction yall have for people with my questions. I dont live in those big cities or in a progressive state. But there are A LOT of people not knowledgeable about any of this, who may think they have a solid understanding on it.

If yall are serious about wanting equality for everyone, yall need to show much more understanding about what people know. And what they dont. Getting loloffended and trying to censor discussion is NOT the right approach. Because all it does is make people angry. And angry people are not prone to reason.

I was infuriated when I saw the moderation because I felt like I genuinely tried to learn, and instead I was told my questions are offensive.

Fortunately Im not thin skinned, but seriously. We need to re-evaluate how discussions around people who are transgender is had. Because I dont see NEARLY the same egg shell walking when it comes to the black community. Which also pisses me off. Black people have been dealing with more shit for much longer, yet I feel like were still treated worse.

I just wont fucking ask anything anymore if mere questions have people clutching their pearls. Dunno how yall handle real life, cause there sure as hell isnt a block button.

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

If only you put this much effort into Googling something and clicking the first link instead of whining about internet karma

I havent lost a single karma. Im upset about posts being removed. Just look at this topic. I dont recall a single offensive post. Yet a bunch of deletions.

One of my posts was deleted because I said most Americans dont encounter someone who has underwent transgender procedure (I hope this is fine?). Thats literally why.

Im thankful the mod actually gave a fucking explanation. Thats new. But this reasoning is insane.

Because again, for the Just use Wikipedia lel, if you do not know you do not know something, and youre in the middle of a conversation where you yourself are being asked questions, one does not think to research in the middle of it

Im sure Id be blamed if I read misinformation btw. Shits crazy.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

This. And that's why I marked that post; it came across as disingenuous trolling.

Im feeling like Roy Mustang right now, not gonna lie.

@Pus_N_Pecans , did you read the previous posts before marking?

And were you personally offended by it?

Those are my two questions.

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Foppe posted...

And now you know that crossdressing got nothing to do with being born in the wrong body.

Never thought it did.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

But the whole first post in this topic and your style in post 80 do look disingenuous.

So why are people jumping to conclusions about comments that have context missing? Shouldnt they be finding the context first? I know people dont, but do you think they shouldnt have to?

And again,

cuttin_in_farm posted...

posting casually is not a sign of being disingenuous.

It might be a sign of skepticism, but not disingenuousness. Thats reaching.

I shouldnt have to restate post 73 every time I reply. It is the job of the reader to start from the beginning if a post seems strange or potentially offends.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

And please stop saying "a transgender." You are not "a white" or "a cis," you are a straight person - or, more preferably, a person who is straight. Calling someone "a descriptor" is often implicitly offensive.

Im not a fan of correcting people with criticism but no solution. Its not productive.

What should I use when referring to transgender people?

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Definitely one of the cooler topics that Im sharing with people I know. Followed them on Twitter too if this is the content they bring.

I literally played like a copy kitten, so it was cool to see my playstyle represented.

Its definitely something I want to process further. Hopefully not at the dead of night.

I really like this.

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Jabodie posted...

Indeed, I do think you should at least check the very definition of the terms being discussed when talking about sensitive topics. For instance, imagine how much headache would be saved if people bothered to read and understand the definition of white privilege is prior to polluting conversations.

And also, just to elaborate on why I think this suggestion is unrealistic.

People dont know what they dont know.

I.E., I thought I knew what a transgender was. However responses contradicted what I originally thought to be true, so I was asking questions.

One does not research about arithmetic, for example, before contributing to a conversation on it. Most people believe they know it well enough, even if they may not be good at math.

But new concepts and ideas they were not aware of cause them to realize they have questions.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Connotation is a big deal.
There's a large difference between, "I don't have much experience with transgender issues. Is body dysmorphia enough to be considered transgendered, or do they have to fully transition?"
Versus,
"Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first?"

The casual and exclamatory style of writing comes of as disingenuous.

You cant be serious.

Ignoring the fact I posted:

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Ill be honest, Im not very well informed on this. I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one. So I mean no offense to what Im saying or asking.

as post 73, posting casually is not a sign of being disingenuous.

It might be a sign of skepticism, but not disingenuousness. Thats reaching.

Jabodie posted...

There's a high chance people will go to the last post/few pages, see the post out of context, and be offended. Which, imo, is enough to be considered offensive, and is probably why it was marked in the first place.

If you believe this, then I totally disagree with you 100%. This is why misinformation is so rampant already. Nobody looking at context and being complacent with passing judgement/offense off of out of context phrases.

The irony of saying I should do due diligence on sensitive topics while others are free to not do so for me.

Id go as far as to say arrogant, tbh.

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

I also treat gamefaqs.gamespot.com as a place for purely academic discussions where nobody has ever feigned ignorance or assumed the noble role of "devil's advocate" just to start shit. Not once

/s

Are people truly this pessimistic?

Its like, if you lack information about a topic, people will legit just assume youre a terrible person and write you off. It makes it extremely difficult to even become educated.

Hell, I thought I had a good grasp on the topic, but then I learned new stuff from that very topic.

But I know for a fact if I dispute the moderation explaining myself, the mods will just ignore it and uphold it with no explanation.

This isnt even the first time. I initially thought transgenderism was a mental illness. Because the person thinks theyre in the wrong body. A user here attacked me for it, and when I tried to ask how its physical, they told me I would just gaslight them or something.

Even now, apparently transgenderism isnt an illness, according to the topic. But a symptom of gender dysphoria or whatever.

Its like, this is my issue. We should be able to tell who has ill intent and who is serious. Assuming people who ask ignorant questions are bigots or trolls is not productive nor empathetic.

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@Jabodie

Thats ignoring the point. This is a message board.

By your logic, every random question about social issues shouldnt be asked because you can Google it.

I was modded for being offensive. Its one thing if they thought I was trolling. Modding things you personally dont agree with (because lets face it, thats what it was. A mod didnt agree with the idea. Even though I didnt call anyone cross dressers), is not a productive way to handle social issues. Full stop.

But anyone using even the slightest bit of context clues can discern my question is genuine. And Mods shouldnt be allowed to mod a post that is included in a chain of replies without first reading the chain. Otherwise you get stupid shit like this.

Unless you dont have to be an adult to be a moderator here, we should be able to confidently discern who is trolling and who isnt. I didnt escalate to insults or jokes. I asked a question since the conversation I was having was relevant. I only asked the question because a previous post didnt make sense to me with the knowledge available.

I wasnt aware I should research facts online after every post when a poster is willingly answering for me.

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Top 10 anime double agents.

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Jabodie posted...

Tbh you can probably clear that up just by looking at the first paragraph or two of the Wikipedia article on transgender.

In some ways the question is so dumb to somebody in the know it's kinda like walking up to some Asians and asking what the difference between Chinese and Japanese are because you thought they were all the same. They may be so ignorant they genuinely don't know the question is offensive, but somebody asking that online would be trolling 99% of the time.

Do you seriously think this stuff is common knowledge? At all? Most Americans do not have to personally deal with anyone who is transgender.

How the hell are people expected to just know what social transitioning and stuff is? Thats very close-minded, ironically.

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Im legitimately bothered by this.

I dont have any friends or RL people who are apart of the LGBT thing. Most of my upbringing was around people who were against it. And my closest friends dont even agree with homosexuality.

I dont use social media besides this place, so I genuinely only learn of that side of things here. But whenever I have questions about it, people either get severely defensive, or I get modded. I can never actually have a helpful discussion to learn.

So then Im just stuck with assumptions that make me look like an ass.

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LightningAce11 posted...

What did you ask?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78757314

post #80.

I thought being transgender was changing your sex via surgery. So I asked what is the difference between a transgender who hasnt transitioned and a someone who cross dresses.

But apparently thats offensive?

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Lord_Wombat posted...

K

Trolling.

But seriously. What makes a mod think hm. This guy asked a question about transgenderism without using insults or slurs. Clearly his intent is to be offensive even though there is a civil discourse happening! I shall moderate him!

Like, how are people spose to understand each other if people just block and erase different viewpoints?

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CyricZ posted...

What kind of problems does a man in a woman's restroom pose?

Not necessarily. Like I said, not everyone gets surgery. The only thing that defines someone who is transgender is that their gender identity does not match up with the one that was assigned to them at birth.

Was what I asked offensive to you? @CyricZ

Because I thought we were having a helpful discussion.

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Giant yikes guys.

This is why racism and bigotry is so prevalent. If you ask a genuine question about something you dont understand, you get modded?

Are you serious?

Wont that just upset people who dont deal with certain lifestyles and views and make them less likely to accept it?

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2, 6, and 10 are the only unreasonable ones tbh.

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CyricZ posted...

What kind of problems does a man in a woman's restroom pose?

I mean... invasion of privacy? Most women just dont like a dude being around while they relieve themselves. Depending on time and place, being attacked maybe. Seeing as there would be an obvious vulnerability issue.

CyricZ posted...

Not necessarily. Like I said, not everyone gets surgery. The only thing that defines someone who is transgender is that their gender identity does not match up with the one that was assigned to them at birth.

Wait, so someone who thinks theyre in the wrong body is a transgender? They dont have to actually change first?

Joker98 posted...

Cross dressing is just wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but socially transitioning involves living as the gender you identify as, which can include voice therapy, learning new mannerisms, all sorts of things.

Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead?

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CyricZ posted...

What kind?

I dont understand the question.

CyricZ posted...

Surgery is elective. Some trans people may really really want surgery for the purpose of their own mental health and dialing down their own personal gender dysphoria, but it's not necessarily required.

Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing?

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CyricZ posted...

There are transpeople that have taken the effort to appear as the gender they identify as. In that way, it's possible that many people have shared restrooms with transpeople without even knowing it. Not to mention in most public restrooms I'm familiar with, there's not a lot of scrutiny going on as it is. People do their business and leave.

Do you think these people you've spoken to/articles you've read are simply just insecure knowing that as opposed to not knowing that?

I guess thats a good point. I think its just the idea of it. Like, the complaints and whatnot Ive read were probably cases where the trans person didnt not look even somewhat transitioned. I imagine if people looked more convincingly, people just wouldnt know. But I dunno why the knowledge itself increases tension tbh. For women, I get. Cause a guy in a restroom poses problems. But not others.

CyricZ posted...

Simply being transgender is not an illness. It's just a state of being.

Oh? But it needs surgery. Doesnt that mean something is wrong?

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CyricZ posted...

I see. And what are these women saying specifically in terms of what makes them opposed to it? What is the specific reason they have an issue sharing a bathroom with trans people?

If I understand correctly, they definitely dont seem to think trans woman = woman. I dont recall the exact words, as this hasnt come up in a while, but I think it was because its... a guy first, that turns woman.

I mean, theres different degrees of trans, yea? Like, if someone doesnt do surgery, or do the voice thing, is that still a trans person?

Ill be honest, Im not very well informed on this. I still thought it was a mental illness for example. But now people are saying its a physical one. So I mean no offense to what Im saying or asking.

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CyricZ posted...

Have you asked them?

Asked who? The women? I mean, I see news articles about it. And I know the women I talked to have been opposed when the topic is brought up.

I mean, I wouldnt exactly be okay with a trans guy being in my bathroom. Though I guess saying it out loud makes it appear transphobic?

gunplagirl posted...

Simple, we say transphobes can fuck off and find their own bathroom

I dont think thats how it works. It would be for the protection of trans people too.

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