Lurker > DK9292

They didn't give me any training, though. They said I'll pick it up as I go along.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

The stage is a hardware storage warehouse. No civilians or warehouse staff to interfere. All four have as much prep time as needed.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

DarkRoast posted...

There were hints in BotW that the culture and technology that had developed in the past few hundred years (prior to Calamity Ganon, basically) more or less approximated 20th century Earth, albeit in ways that seemed a bit more magical in nature.

Not only that, the original concept for BotW was set in a modern day dealing with an alien invasion.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Well if you had to class them as one or the other, which would it be?

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

What about Dwarves and Gnomes?

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

@dolomedes

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Garioshi posted...

making topics like this is a good way to make sure it stays that way

as if it makes a difference

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

I don't see how having a terminal illness is your fault, unless it's something like lung cancer from smoking too much.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Sometimes I ask and they just pretend not to hear me.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Sounds like a South Park episode.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Reiss posted...

you ever wonder why

Because I'm a failure

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Meanwhile I'm nearly 30 and I haven't created a goddamn thing.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Aressar posted...

I never played Dark Chronicle before, but I'd say go ahead and move on to that.

I'd highly recommend it. It's been years since I last played it, but it basically improves on everything the first game did and fixes all the flaws.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Wait until you get to the Nash vs Bison fight in Story Mode.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

DuranOfForcena posted...

i got all the way up to the final dungeon and quit, because it required you to use a specific character in each different level of the dungeon, and i had really only leveled up the main character any significant amount at that point. i was pretty pissed that it was structured that way with no indication that it would be like that. bad game design imo.

You get Limited Zones all the time in the game though.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Found it on the Playstation Store along with the sequel, decided to play them for nostalgia's sake.

Just wondering now whether to move onto Dark Chronicle or beat the Demon Shaft dungeon first.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Wii_Shaker posted...

Clear your browser cache. May help.

That fixed it. Any idea what caused it?

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Keeps timing out, but most of my site-checkers say it's up.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I don't like the implications of this.

Some of them are just a cute crossover that's a bit of fun.

Most of them aren't.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Several well known pro Smash players have recently been outed as soliciting sex from minors.

I think we have a right to be a bit upset.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

You're reminding me of an entire sub-set of crossover fanart that involved Ben 10 turning into Starfire.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

FortuneCookie posted...

Furries remember Renamon.
True deviants remember Gatomon.

And I'm just sitting here thinking about LadyDevimon.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

SaltyWet posted...

when Scar says it's the lionesses job to do the hunting, that's not actually true

I mean... the point of that scene was to show Scar's kind of a shit king.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

You are now tracking this topic.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

TopKekBro posted...

Oh shit.
HE GOT INTO THE POT IN HIS PLACE AND MADE SAD (SACRIFICE) EYES!!!

he totally knew

Up until he gave the eyes, I thought he was doing the "you wanna put him in, you gotta get through me."

Then he did the eyes and my heart. D:

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

He says "I am sorry about your daughter, I didn't mean it," in an odd accent that you can't quite place, then walks away in shame before you can say or ask anything.

What do you do?

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Jabodie posted...

Isn't blue Luigi also a smash color alt?

Not that shade of blue. It's the bright, royal blue and the brown overalls that I remembered.



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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

For YEARS I've insisted that I saw what my brain assumed was a "beta-Waluigi" that showed Luigi against a doppelganger of himself dressed in blue with dark overalls, with a meaner expression and a Waluigi-esque nose and moustache. I remember seeing it in a magazine once, but I was never able to find it again and nobody knew what I was talking about. I always assumed it must have just been a one-man Mandella effect and my brain making up shit that never happened.

And I finally found it! It must've been a screenshot of Mario Golf, where one of Luigi's alts was blue with brown overalls!



Obviously it's not exact to what I remember, since it lacks the expression, nose and moustache. But the colours are EXACTLY what I remember, so I can chalk that up to my brain filling in gaps as I forgot shit.

Seriously. I know no one will really give a shit, but this has bothered me for SO LONG! I'm SO happy to finally put it to rest.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Darmik posted...

There are plenty of reasons why this might not be realistic for you. Including simply not being able to afford the risk of doing it or simply not living in the right place.

I've been told otherwise.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

TV Tropes is still bust for me. Not even getting the blank pages.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

https://twitter.com/tvtropes/status/1280501482513719297

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

I'm going to bed. I should've guessed this topic would end with me being lectured and accused of "not putting the effort in" or the usual shit.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Darmik posted...

No it isn't. Have you focused as hard on your writing career as Steven King ever did?

Yes it is. You're implying that because professional writers are being hired by game studios, an amateur like me has a chance that's not how it fucking works.

Darmik posted...

lol what? Do you think people woke up with the ability to code? How long did you try for?

About six-seven years.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

LightningAce11 posted...

The biggest thing vfx/game companies look for is your attitude. If you're a decent person who admits mistakes and is always willing to learn, but you're just an ok artist, they will hire you over someone with fantastic art who is difficult to work with every time.

With the amount of times I've been praised for my attitude but still cast aside for my mistakes or lack of results, vs all the stories of people who are roaring successes in their industries despite being absolutely toxic to work with, that's just an out-and-out lie.

...maybe my problem is I'm not being enough of an asshole.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

DarkRoast posted...

Games can be good solely because of story

Name a game with bad presentation/graphics/art/whatever and with bad gameplay that is still considered good because of the story.

Seriously. If one exists, I want to know. I want to learn from it.

BlackHorse6969 posted...

text only adventure games disagree with you

No text only adventure game will ever compare to the immense success of Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.

Darmik posted...

Why not? If you're a writer that's what you need to focus on.

From what I remember Naughty Dog hired a writer who wrote for HBO. Studios are looking for writers. Writers can jump around between different projects so that thing about not being 'essential' can also be a benefit.

That's like saying that because I'm a writer and Steven King is a writer, I'm on par with Steven King.

Darmik posted...

In order to develop a game entirely by yourself you need to;
Know how to code
Know how to design characters
Know how to compose music
Know how to use the tools to develop a video game
Be a good level/gameplay designer
And I'm probably missing numerous things.

I'm aware. It's why I'm very rapidly losing hope.

Darmik posted...

Nobody is born with that talent either.

False.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

neverwin posted...

I find this funny because they are based off of Greek gods and that's exactly what the Greek gods were.

https://i.imgur.com/tTwCcnq.gif

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

ChocoboMogALT posted...

If you're a writer, write.

It's not that simple.

LightningAce11 posted...

You realize there's a lot more to game development than "art or programming" right?

There's animation, concept art, rigging, modelling, mocap/layout, production, technical directors, designers, ui design, writers, IT, sound design, testing, QA etc and so much more.

I explained in the OP that I was simplifying most of those down to the three base concepts. The presentation stuff, the technical stuff, and the narrative (good word that) stuff.

LightningAce11 posted...

If you're good at organisation and can keep track of people and jobs production manager is one of the most useful jobs.

I have zero managerial experience. It's part of the reason I want to do it all myself so badly. But I lack the talent to do that.

So I suppose I'm fucked either way.

Darmik posted...

Which one?

Four Swords Adventures.

Darmik posted...

Nobody plays a game because of the soundtrack and yet many games have fantastic ones that add to the overall experience. What is important to a game depends on the game.

I disagree. The soundtrack is one of the elements that can make or break a game.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Darmik posted...

Although it is a challenge to have interesting nuance and character development in a game too. Can people handle playing a game where they disagree with what the main character is doing?

I had issues with Kid Icarus: Uprising for that exact reason. I felt like none of the characters grew; they all remained self-centred arrogant bastards that the narrative arbitrarily sided with up until the end.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

fohstick posted...

when was the last time Miyamoto made a good game?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto_gameography

Darmik posted...

Here's the latest excerpt on what Miyamoto says about a story anyway

https://time.com/4668908/nintendo-switch-miyamoto-interview/

I think the thing with Miyamoto is that a lot of the stuff he says is either translated weird or taken out of context. I'm pretty sure he specifically thinks Mario shouldn't have much of a story because he sees it like a Popeye cartoon.

He made the Zelda team drop the story of at least one of their games.

Darmik posted...

A writer isn't an idea guy. They're the writer. Look up who wrote the games you like and see what their experience and resume is.

In the grand scheme of things, I might as well be. That's what I'm saying; writing isn't as important as everything else. No one will want to help make a game because of the story, but that's the only reason I want to make games.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Darmik posted...

Ok but that has nothing to do with the game you want to make. Many people have made terrible games with no story. A story doesn't automatically mean bad gameplay and good gameplay doesn't mean a bad story.

Games are rarely made by one person these days (and if it is that one person needs to be good at many different things). They're made by teams of people who all work towards the one goal who all have their lanes they're strong with.

Then what exactly am I supposed to do? If I can't git gud at art or programming, I'm essentially superfluous to game development. I'm the "idea guy", the absolute worst kind of person when it comes to these kinds of projects.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Lost_All_Senses posted...

And sometimes you make Mario and Zelda.

Which proves my point.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Darmik posted...

I think people should make the games they want to make and the medium doesn't need to be limited in anyway.

Miyamoto wants to make different games than Kojima. That's fine.

Sometimes just wanting to make a game isn't enough.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

boxington posted...

Knights of the Round

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEaz-WQxrYA

That's the one. My bad.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Is that a port of the arcade beat-em-up with Arthur, Lancelot and... I want to say Percival? as playable characters?

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Finally, permission!

*rips trousers off*

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

And it sickens me to even say that.

If you don't know, Shigeru Miyamoto is a very staunch believer that games don't need story to be good, to the point he has outright excised the story in some of the games he's involved with, and even some he's not. I've been dabbling with making a game or games of my own recently, and as I do and think about it, I've noticed that he may have a point.

I've noticed that there are three things that go into making a game; the Presentation, which includes the graphics, music, aesthetic, etc; the Gameplay, which includes the literal gameplay itself, the coding, all the technical stuff; and the Writing, which includes the story, the world-building, etc.

Of the three, I feel I am the strongest at the Writing aspect. I'm not an artist in any sense of the word, and my attempts at coding have fallen flat. And this has caused me to notice that, while most tell you to play to your best strength... the Writing doesn't seem to be the dealbreaker in anything.

The Presentation will catch a potential player's eye and get them to try it. The Gameplay will keep the player around. And the Writing can bolster both.

But that's ALL good Writing cane do.

Bad Presentation and Gameplay will outright turn players away, while bad Writing can be ignored. And it doesn't matter HOW good the Writing is, it can't save a game with bad Presentation or Gameplay.

A game with good Presentation, Gameplay and Writing is a good game.
A game with good Presentation and Gameplay but bad Writing is still a good game.
A game with bad Presentation or Gameplay but good Writing is a bad game.

...just feels bad to admit it.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Vampires have a myriad of powers thanks to multiple legends and books like Dracula. Shapeshifting, flight, command over bats and other creatures, climbing walls, and of course drinking blood.
Werewolves usually have enhanced physical abilities and overall savagery.
Mummies often have immortality and outright magic.
Frankenstein usually has incredible strength and sometimes electric powers.
I could go on.

But what about a skeleton? Are they often portrayed with any kind of specific powers? I could say something about creating and/or manipulating bones, but I'm not sure.

Anyone who brings up telekinesis, a glowing eye, or anything else from that game and character are getting a solid punch in the dick. Even if you don't have one.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

. . .

It's not different at all, is it Steve!? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

You have been warned.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman

Solar_Crimson posted...

Knowing that this puts their meeting right in conflict with your planned outing with your child, you bring this up to them, but they merely say "This is more important."

I say "No it's not" and hang up.

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''It doesn't matter if we're devils! I can't abandon the person who's fighting this battle beside me to the very end!''
~Sunshine, Kinnikuman