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It's good, but it would have been better if some choreography / fighting was more on point. The themes and lessons are nice.

I can listen to Ben Shapiro on 2x speed

Super 8

I will be voting Green or for Andrew Yang to help swing the democratic party to the left. As a fairly educated person I can say that it's been obvious that Trump would lose since 4 years ago. Have you been watching the news? We didn't need covid. This is all bullshit.

averagejoel posted...

I assumed you meant "the study of english literature" rather than "english" as a language because it was the most generous interpretation of what you said, and anything else would mean you were ignoring context.

we are specifically talking about the study and teaching of music theory, not the theory itself. so comparing that to the english language, rather than to the way the english language is taught, would be a pretty silly thing to do.

Moving the goal post. The topic title, and the youtube video people have been discussing do not say, "the study of music theory."

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life's crazy so I live it to the fullest til I'm Swayze, and you only live it once,
so I'm thinkin bout this nice nice lady, wait no stop me now for I get on a roll (DANISH!)
Let me tell u what this pretty lil' dame's name is cuz she's kinda famous,
and I hope that I don't sound too heinous when I say this, Nicki Minaj, but I wanna stick my panus in your anus!

averagejoel posted...

yes, I didn't mean to suggest that it was perfect; only that it was relatively ahead of music theory in that regard.

another thing is that the basic language of literary devices that get used to describe literature (metaphor, synecdoche, imagery, foreshadowing, etc) is much more broadly applicable than things like counterpoint and voice leading. and, again, as far as I know, those devices were not named for the explicit purpose of elevating the "greatness of the white race"

that does make sense.

and yeah, most of my classes were music. but I also studied quite a lot of english literature.

but regardless, going back to the response to theiwantsong that started this exchange: it does seem reasonable to call the study of english literature racist based on the results (though again, I don't know the history of how it came to be studied in this way).

it also seems that, though of course there's a bias in favour of writing in English (and there's the question of which works are getting translated into English), white supremacy is less... inherent (?) in the way english literature is taught, and that fixing it is relatively simple compared to the complete overhaul that has to be done with music theory.

@averagejoel, English literature is not English. I suggest you "try to listen and engage" with the ideas I've presented, within the context I've presented them.

"-Multiple #1 Ranks in the World and multiple world records for gaming at a competitive level."

I simply do not believe him.

Source? I googled this and it brought up a single link...some site called ___faqs.com. It's against the ToS to say the name of the site...

i bet a non-scientist can't even spell hydroxypachunkachunkayouknowwhatimsayininsertachemicalhere,etc. Terrible argument.

But does she have a RE2make S+ Leon A run?

pogo_rabid posted...

I quit about 2 hours in.

Probably didn't finish the tutorial then. Did you get the paraglider?

I've been playing on PC. And I've been saying if they want to bring people to MCC they need broader connectivity between all Halo games. They need to extend military ranks to all Halo games. Keep the military ranks for MCC on PC and grandfather them over to other Halo games. Have cross-game goals. If I play MCC and Halo Infinite, I can work toward one giant goal by playing both games because they're both Halo. Give me rewards in Infinite for playing MCC. And not just a nameplate, thx.

3 years?

It seems like the people who are calling music theory racist are more concerned with the history of music rather than the implementation and utility of music theory. Music theory is not history. Sry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PM3bSORZtA

Just listen to the introduction during the first 20 seconds. Omfg, this guy is for real?! Hilarious.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Alright, well, for starters the video doesn't touch upon the Tritone in Medieval Europe because there's nothing racist about it, it's just inherently ridiculous and religiously driven drivel. Beyond that, though, you are still using exclusively a Westrrn perspective to analyse worldwide music tradition, which is precisely the kind of ignorant thing that many modern music theorists are trying to avoid. Want to know how many cultures in the world were afraid of Tritones? As far as we know, it was just one. And these Catholics made up about 20% of the world population, maybe, and thus 20% of the world's music tradition. Most cultures never had the same emphasis on harmonics and consonance in their music, and frankly most simply wouldn't give a damn about I - IV - V eithrr. Many using an entirely different formulation of what we would consider a "scale" or "mode". The broad tradition of music theory is far larger than what you've grown accustom to living in a Western country, which plays nearly entirely western traditions of music, which idolizes white, germanic musicians for a very specific language and concept of harmony designed to keet the needs of their own music tradition exclusovely. If you want to critically analysis western music, that is perfectly fine and all, but if you try to apply this mode of thinking to other traditions of music without the context required to understand it, or worse, if you try to make a valuation about other cultures using this narrow tradition of music, then you are actually encouraging white supremacist ways of reasoning.

I think you're combining theory with academia. Academia is racist if it values germanic music disproportionately to other music. Things like figured bass and chord nomenclature are not racist. I have a hunch that the other point might be sensible though, but I can't think of a reason...I can't think of a reason for why viewing eastern music through the lens of western music theory would dim someone's scope of understanding and appreciation for eastern music unless they begin listening with a preexisting biased view that eastern music is inferior to western music. @Pogo_Marimo

averagejoel posted...

it's only hard to call it racism if you completely ignore why white people have a "disproportionate dominance" in documenting music.

it's not because other cultures didn't document their music

I think this is a bit regressive. Like...music theory itself is not racist. The events in history that led to music theory being as it exists today were racist. The system itself is not like...easier for white people to understand or something. It's not racist lol. If it were then English is racist.

Because when I look at the world, I do not see "plenty of fish in the sea." I see "plenty of idiots in the sea." Why should I care about my health and get abs first. Other people should get smart first. Here's to being lonely for life!

She will not want to pass a stimulus right before the election because Trump will take most of the credit for that.

How is GTA right wing? Listen to the jokes on the radio stations lol. Oh wait, right wing jokes don't exist, except 'gitr done.' Literally had a black main character in two of the last 3 major installments, and one for the Ballad of Gay Tony DLC as well.

Beat It

Hayame Zero posted...

Anybody who says music today sucks isn't putting in any effort to actually try and find it, and just generalizing whatever's huge with the teenage demographic.

Furthermore, under 25 has been the most predominantly age range for pop music artists and the fan demo since, what, the 50s?

There is at least potential that that could change in the near future, especially if people have more leisure time to explore music if there's UBI and less jobs.

A couple years ago I honestly would have been defending today's music. My mom's fiance said he gave up listening to new music in the mid-90s. I would argue with him about it sometimes. But I only argued in favor of music up until like the mid-2010s haha. I mean, a couple years ago I still had my criticisms for the superficiality in the rap genre. But I'm an aspiring musician myself and have only been playing for a few years. I suppose there's sort of a necessity or a utility there in not appreciating music so that I can create something of my own that I'm actually proud of. My standards are getting higher I suppose. I just think that with all the access to YouTube instrumentalist teachers, and all the technology, we could have better artists. Why don't we? It's because of the economy and lack of rights. The US is caving in on itself. I predict good new music is around the corner though, especially if Trump doesn't get another 4 years.

But my whole point is about the mainstream. Culture is mainstream. I'm not talking about subcultures or counterculture. I'm talking about society / mainstream culture. If society could get onboard with thinking that music is for people over 25 then we would be in a good place. But SOCIETY doesn't see how obvious it is that music is for people over 25.

I seek out new music and I'm open minded. Wasn't surprised that someone would come in and assume I'm coming from the same boomer-esque old guy place. No. I like to explore music. I just think a lot of the mainstream stuff that really shapes new music is dumb af. We've had the same song topics dominate the mainstream (love and breakups and materialism). Just as Trump is a reflection of our anti-intellectualism, so is mumble rap. We were in a better place in this country when jazz was coming up, and during the 60s. The 90s were legit af too.

Yes I see what you're saying, but I'm saying you have it backwards. You think things are the way they are because you have to be young to make money as a musician. I'm saying the people who influence culture are making it so that only young people go to concerts, or only young people need to grow and stretch themselves and need music, etc. Our culture is all about growing until you're 25 and then they want you to have a family and be happy with your dead end job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezxSOds6R-I

Very beginning. "If you're under 25." Wtf is this shit? Society tries way too hard to make music a young person thing...whether it's consumers or artists...they want music to be something for people under 25.

I do like her fashion sense though. You can tell at the end she is really proud of that one. Reminds me of that track star Michelle Jenneke who always does that dance. Like that's the kind of energy at the end there..

*Please notice my fashion sense*

Oof. #MATH.

^Try reading it again. I made a couple edits.

I feel like a lot of hotter white women might be remnants of privilege and therefore are hot, not only because of their ignorance in politics and social issues which allows them the leisure time to work on their bodies, but also because of the wealth and health that comes with privilege. I just wonder how hotness is disseminated among the white women demographic based on political ideology.

pres_madagascar posted...

2 and 3 remakes made sense, as did re1 remake at the time. RE4 isn't even all that old looking, and already uses essentially the same gameplay/combat system as re2/3 remake. It would just be the same game with a fresh coat of paint. It seems kind of unnecessary, but maybe that's me.

Just played it a couple months ago on PC. Actually it is pretty old looking now.

I'm pretty smart as it is. If I doubled my dong size that would guarantee porn stardom.

Damn. I think I recall that there are like 4 stages or something? Erowid said there are like 4 plateaus. Yeah...I must have gotten to 2 or 3. I remember feeling very animalistic when I farted. It definitely made me feel more inferior and small then haha.

I think I've done something around there...at least 500. Have you tried listening to music? It's awesome...the joy I got was much more...close to molly. It seemed to decrease in effect as I did DxM more times through the years. Molly always hits hard with the music.

https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Ocarina-Ocarinas-Triforce-Protective/dp/B0148EQYA8/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=ocarina+zelda&qid=1603004195&sr=8-5

Is there something better than this...like within a reasonable price range?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpkKutsYhgo

Kinda strange how much Carlson agreed with Jimmy Dore. That's cool though. I'm just trying to figure out how this was possible.

Now as I'm thinking about this I'm suddenly realizing something that has the potential to be considered racist or overly white. For me the minor second seems to be more dissonant than a tritone. So when I see a list ordering consonance to dissonance, and the tritone is on bottom, that's weird to me. I guess this is probably going purely off the mathematics of it...the ratio of the frequencies from one note to the note a tritone up or down from that original note. But the sound matters more when we consider dissonance...not the math.

In another timeline, or another universe, the tritone might not have been considered unholy, but the clash would still be there. The people of the dominant culture might have not condemned the sound as much. Maybe it would have been used. Maybe another genre would have been created that included the tritone. But it would still sound the same without a context. The interval sounds the same. I don't know if it's right to say music theory is racist. It's more accurate to say 'music history prefers white people.'

It's kind of like saying Spanish is language-ist because it doesn't use English words...but if it can describe ideas within its own set of words then why would it need to use English words? What would music theory do? Should we start calling the note C a Q? A C# can be a Q# now? What exactly is supposed to be done? Music theory is pretty complete. We need more tech, better instruments, and better ways to teach music...not better ways to describe it.

Supernatural posted...

its just a theory

look at the top 100 billboard songs

theyt doesn't conform to that standard

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Certainly music theory can explain why music in the billboard 100 sounds good. That's all music theory does...it is a tool to label and describe structures of music, and explain why those structures harmonize or create dissonance.

Music theory is pretty universal and applicable today. Adam Neely did a very recent YouTube video on this subject. He talks about other ways of describing structures that they use in the east. However, it's not like the harmonic series, or modes, or SOMETHING from European music theory can't explain music from the eastern hemisphere.

The main thing that's racist is that most celebrated classical pieces are from Europeans. But that's because whites were wealthy and Africans really weren't. I don't think Africans that stayed in Africa and didn't become slaves documented their music. I could be wrong. Anyway, the fact that whites are disproportionately celebrated is due to their disproportionate dominance in documenting music throughout history. Kind of hard to call this racism. It's just fractions. What's racist is slavery and all that stuff that happened to keep black people disenfranchised.

Perhaps they should teach more about jazz if they don't. Idk how much they teach it in the average music theory curriculum in college. But if that's lacking, then I could see how that would be considered racist, although in that case I doubt the faculty are purposely trying to project superiority over minorities.

PikachuMaxwell posted...

Welcome to Mario Kart!

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Bump

Just for that I edited the timestamp to a funnier one.