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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 6:29:50 PM
#55
Samurontai posted...
Then we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

I think it makes more sense for people to look favorably upon something they actively want to stay around, than it does for them to not like something that they want to stay around.

Fair enough.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 6:24:38 PM
#51
Samurontai posted...
What is your claim then?

My claim is most black Americans do not view police favorably.

I do wish to clarify. You can think otherwise. My only issue at the moment are your sources. I dont agree that they support the opposite.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 6:17:33 PM
#49
Samurontai posted...
So far, I'm the only one that's posted sources,

Im saying your sources arent credible to the point youre claiming.

I, personally, do not have a convenient article or poll that asks a wide range of black Americans if they view police favorably. I am going off of personal experience.

However, your sources support a different claim is my current issue. You keep disregarding that.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 6:13:20 PM
#44
Samurontai posted...
"You're wrong because anecdote" is not an argument. Try again please.

Bro, its an example. Im trying to illustrate how someone can view something unfavorably but still want them.

If you didnt want to actually listen, then whatever.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 6:09:36 PM
#39
Samurontai posted...
And no, I linked an article claiming that most black people prefer a local presence of police.

That was your first link. The post you replied to was about the second link. You knew that, but lets just roll with it.

Samurontai posted...
I'm sorry, but if people look at something favorably, they probably do not want a local presence of said thing.

This is false.

I am black. I do not view police favorably. Not even from just a they target black people standpoint. The police overall have a lack of standards and repercussions that let them act like a gang.

However, if you ask me if I want police around, no shit I do. The alternative to having shit cops, them being gone, is much worse.

So asking me do you support defund the police? Or Do you feel like police should be in your neighborhoods? doesnt address the main question. Which is also my stance.

Most black Americans dont view police favorably. You get it?

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 6:01:37 PM
#34
Samurontai posted...
I don't care what your opinion is

??

Whats my stance, not opinion. You are disagreeing with my claim. Do you know what my claim is? Who cares about opinions.

Samurontai posted...
I'm sorry, but yelling ACAB and defund the police isn't improving anything

Okay? Is this an opinion? Neat. Now try to find my point.

You claim most black people in the US view cops favorably. As support, you linked an article saying most people dont support defund the police, which is entirely irrelevant to if the police are viewed favorably.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 5:56:10 PM
#28
Samurontai posted...
Also if they weren't looked upon favorably, they probably wouldn't want them around. That's usually how that works for most things

This is false. They want them to improve. That doesnt mean they dont view them unfavorably.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 5:55:10 PM
#26
Samurontai posted...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-today-ipsos-poll-just-18-support-defund-police-movement/4599232001/

Here's another more recent one because I love being right

This one appears to specifically be talking about defunding the police.

The question isnt Do people not want cops?. Which is what the slogan is often misinterpreted into meaning.

Do you know what my stance is? Lol.

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 5:52:56 PM
#21
Samurontai posted...
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

Poll from just last year

Please leave arguing against facts to the Republicans.

I dont recall getting a survey. Nor do I care about whatever sample size youre citing.

Ignoring that the questions asked in the survey dont answer the question of are cops viewed favorably.

But keep fighting the good fight!

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TopicCop throws something in your car after stopping you.
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 5:49:03 PM
#18
Samurontai posted...
Most black people view the cops in a favorable light.

Lol.


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TopicC/D: ERB never topped Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 12:57:18 PM
#15
ArianaGrandSlam posted...
always love posts like this claiming that somethings wrong with me for not enjoying

BZZZZZT!

You agreed to:

CoorsLight posted...
I don't even know how people watch that shit regularly.


If you are incapable of getting why some folk like it, and instead declare that its just shit, youre incapable of understanding, yes.

Dont go playing victim.

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TopicC/D: ERB never topped Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs
cuttin_in_farm
07/25/21 12:06:28 PM
#12
Blackbeard vs Al Capone was better, imo.

And just like Death Battle, posters itt are incapable of understanding mindless fun.

Personally, erb teaches me about some person I never knew existed. Or at least spurs me to research them. So long as they bring in actual people. Not fictional ones.

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TopicAvatar:TLA is so good and a part of me wants to watch Korra
cuttin_in_farm
07/23/21 2:45:42 PM
#77
I feel like Korra being the Avatar in a place where the title is kinda irrelevant is the point. Korra assigns being the Avatar as her identity. Aang never wanted the title in the first place.

We cant view them the same.

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TopicUgly man complains about attractive girl sunbathing in a bikini on communal lawn
cuttin_in_farm
07/23/21 8:14:00 AM
#24
Is there a reason people itt assume he wanted to fuck her?

He seems more prudish than anything? Why are yall projecting so much?

We got some dork claiming sweaty boob money is hot in here. Yall 12?

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TopicDo you recognize the poster above you?
cuttin_in_farm
07/22/21 8:57:59 PM
#75
No.

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Topicmore iconic, kamehameha or the hadoken
cuttin_in_farm
07/21/21 9:23:35 PM
#84
TC, people may know Ryu as martial arts game guy, but they dont know hadoken.

This isnt who is more iconic, Ryu or Goku?.

Youre asking specifically about their attacks. I really dont think if you do the motion for either, people would think hadoken before Kamehameha.

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Topicsmh @ these engagement pictures
cuttin_in_farm
07/21/21 6:36:53 PM
#81
I dont think its okay to ignore this in the event they have children.

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TopicCan someone explain to me how more crime and less police is a good thing?
cuttin_in_farm
07/21/21 9:47:38 AM
#116
untouchable010 posted...
If they keep hurting and taking away from police forces, then good cops like me are outta here. Attack us for doing our job correctly and still suing us isn't gonna keep good cops. Eliminating qualified immunity will eliminate good cops. If that goes away in my state, I'm out. Totality of the circumstances is everything in this job.


Lol, can you imagine someone saying this and thinking it makes them look good?

Like, 3/4 of Americans wouldnt have a large problem with police if clumsy pussies who bully civilians were reprimanded. Thats all people want.

Instead we have assholes constantly calling for backup because a black teenager is pulled over. Cops altering police reports to hide misdeeds. Sociopaths who pepper spray veterans instead of giving any legitimate reason for them to get out their cars. Losers who turn on sirens just to skip a red light.

And the problem isnt that this necessarily runs rampant. Its that they never get any real consequences.

A call center employee can lose their job for simply cursing. A doctor who commits malpractice loses their license.

Why the fuck are cops so against being like every other job ever and having standards?

People are doing raids on homes, and blind firing into an apartment complex, and its not treated as a massive issue. People just casually turn off body cams. Imagine if insurance companies or debt collection companies could just *turn off* call recordings.

You and the TC are clowns.

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TopicKind of messed up that girls like taller guys
cuttin_in_farm
07/19/21 11:35:23 PM
#10
I think the stereotype is that thin guys are well endowed. Never heard of a height correlation.

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TopicListening to people talk about God and the Bible gives me a headache.
cuttin_in_farm
07/19/21 9:50:32 PM
#1
I have a good friend thats very religious. And the topic came up of why she believes what she does. Im personally a theist, but I cant get behind any specific religion.

But why do folks answer How is the bible reliable? with Ive studied the reasons from the bible.?

Like, any progress I can have just stops because Im forever confused at this willful lack of intelligence being used.

A book probably written in latin eons ago not only survived being written be Moses and junk (I dont think they had ways to write that could survive long), but all the translations (anime cant even be translated reliably. Let alone language not having a one to one translation), as well as era changes (words and their meanings change with time.).

How can anyone ever put so much faith in the Bible, or any religious text?

Talking with her was so brain contorting. She had this weird view of God in that hes so gracious and merciful but the way she spoke of him sounded so textbook evil propaganda pusher.

I know CE is mostly atheistic and quite frankly, disrespectful of religious views. But is there anyone who trusts the Bible here that may be able to explain it better? What about the Bible makes it trustworthy? God apparently doesnt directly speak to prophets like he used to, and he didnt write the books but people did. How do we have such accurate recollection of events like Lucifer or Eden if none of us were there?

I respect my friend a lot. But I cant fathom how someone so smart can argue something so silly, imo.

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Topichow do I set up a college fund for my son
cuttin_in_farm
07/17/21 1:30:15 PM
#18
I dont think you can open a tax advantaged account for someone not born yet.

Your best bet is to open an account for yourself, and just use it for your childs eventual education. A traditional ira is the tax deferred.

Or wait till theyre born.

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TopicAn air fryer is life changing if you like wings
cuttin_in_farm
07/16/21 1:26:03 PM
#5
SevenTenths posted...
significantly harder to clean

What? This is the opposite lol.

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TopicShe says she'll sleep with you if you admit Russia is the best country on Earth
cuttin_in_farm
07/15/21 9:57:03 AM
#15
nothanks1 posted...
Looks like a standard whore


D does CE like not think this is an issue?

I know the topic isnt very serious, but how is this even on the mind to say from two pictures of a woman who is clearly in shape?

Personification of nerds, this place.

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TopicOh no, the new Space Jam is bad, who could have predicted this?
cuttin_in_farm
07/15/21 9:29:10 AM
#2
xXfireglzXx posted...
and various Disney

?

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TopicWorld of Final Fantasy is fucking fantastic
cuttin_in_farm
07/15/21 8:13:20 AM
#3
The game had the best portrayal of Cloud in a spinoff too.

Tho the worst for Squall.

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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 9:35:15 PM
#329
Lokison posted...
Now why does he have to keep repeating it instead of letting the discussion move forward.

People are trying to explain in response and hes disagreeing.

Its discussion. I actually prefer his posts because he at least gives effort.

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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 6:39:45 AM
#86
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Price too high for them to show up in other timelines

Thats not my question. Thats the meta reason.

Discussion in this topic seems frustrating lol.

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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 6:32:58 AM
#83
One thing I am confused about though.

How does killing the guy create more variants? Like, other timelines are theoretically branching from the end of time. As thats where they were. And if the TVA halts branching up until his death, wouldnt all his potential variants cease?

Because otherwise people who die like Tony or something could still show up in some other timeline, right?

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TopicWhat's your opinion of folk who only have friends of the opposite gender?
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 6:27:05 AM
#8
Do yall typically assume the person specifically has a problem with the same sex?

Thats the common assumption Im seeing.

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Topicwhy is the ps4 controller charge port placed so low that it bends the wire?
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 6:10:30 AM
#12
Waddlez posted...
Don't recall this

This. I have no clue what this topic is referring to. My controllers never have to bend the cord.

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TopicWhat's your opinion of folk who only have friends of the opposite gender?
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 6:04:19 AM
#1
A guy only having gal friends or a gal only having guy friends.

Still heterosexuals, just unintentionally dont seem to have many (if any) friends of their own gender.

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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 5:59:17 AM
#76
IfGodCouldDie posted...
So you're admitting that you can empathize with her.

I understand why she is doing it.

cuttin_in_farm posted...
Living with a belief so long they have to conform reality to justify their crusade.

Understanding where someone is coming from doesnt make them likable however.

Do you like her character? Dislike? Indifferent?


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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 5:05:33 AM
#67
pegusus123456 posted...
To talk about something she'd already decided on.

What is your objective here? I asked if anyone hates her. Her reason makes her unlikable to me. Why are you seemingly trying to debate something.

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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 4:59:19 AM
#65
008Zulu posted...
She had been on the run her entire life, hating the TVA the entire time. You can't let go of a lifetime of hate with a few words.

No one was asking her to do that. Loki literally was just asking for a minute to talk first.

Though thinking back, the moment the guy said he no longer knows what will happen was probably the point of no return, as Sylvie made her decision.

Hopefully her character goes somewhere good. I did like Walker. It just sucks the season ends on this. I want to see the follow up more than the other two shows.

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TopicLoki Episode 6 Finale Topic *SPOILERS*
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 4:33:11 AM
#58
Does anyone else hate Sylvie? The dude was making complete sense the entire time. Shes seen variants countless times. Seemed amazed that the TVA is shocked they are variants, but this dude saying there are variants of himself is just soooo unbelievable?

Like, I get they are trying to make her like the judge lady. Living with a belief so long they have to conform reality to justify their crusade. But they made her so damn unlikable to do it. If Loki just wanted the throne, he would have beheaded your stupid ass.

And tbh, WandaVision is the only show so far where the protagonists actually do something. Loki just followed Sylvie around all season and did shit all for the most part but fail.

I guess they stay true to form. Being destined to lose. These Lokis are kinda lame tbh. Though I do like Lokis line of always being distrusted and Sylvie always distrusting (even if thats false. Thor has trusted Loki plenty of times, along with Mobius ultimately). Their romance wasnt engaging for me either. Mobius was much cooler.

I dunno. This finale was weird. It did what it had to do plotwise. But I dont like this watered down Loki.

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TopicIm still confused as to how people thinks aang beats Korra.
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 1:06:02 AM
#17
g0ldie posted...
tbf, wasn't she an experienced, high-ranking soldier?

Sure, but I cant think that Aang would have trouble with her. I dunno why. I think Aang being a better air bender honestly is what gives the edge.

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TopicIm still confused as to how people thinks aang beats Korra.
cuttin_in_farm
07/14/21 12:43:13 AM
#7
I think Aang being innately more evasive can give him an edge.

Korra, without avatar state, couldnt beat Kuvira who was more of a fluid fighter.

Korra often times relies on brute forcing opponents. I dont think Aang would be vulnerable to that since he has all elements too.

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Topicaww yea, Nickelodeon Smash Bros
cuttin_in_farm
07/13/21 1:25:16 PM
#93
Scarecrow17 posted...
XJ9 better be in as well.

This. Shes made for this kinda game.


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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 5:10:54 PM
#75
Conflict posted...
It's not about "assuming someone will drive off", it's about the fact that it's still something that can happen, and they're preventing it from potentially happening at all.

Im not sure what youre trying to say. Agree to disagree. If someone tells me they want to sleep it off in a car, especially one of my employees, I would let them. Theres a chance theyll drive off, but unless Im watching them 24/7, that chance is always there. So I digress.

Conflict posted...
And yes, 99% of places would not let you stay on the property overnight...

So context you made up. Not only did I never mention wanting to sleep overnight (or even drinking in the evening for that matter), but the restaurant I was at could not care less for cars in the parking lot overnight unless it was clearly unoccupied.

Conflict posted...
You're not getting sympathy when (unless you live in a REALLY bad neighborhood) all listening to what your manager suggested would've resulted in was a $20 uber ride the next morning.

Sure. Though for clarification, Im not asking for sympathy. I brought up my anecdote to see if there is any leniency on how people feel on drunk driving depending on severity. Most have 0 tolerance.

Thats fine.

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 4:56:13 PM
#73
Conflict posted...
...Nothing was made up.

Conflict posted...
You couldn't hang around on the property overnight



Conflict posted...
That's not why people are against driving while inebriated.

That was not my point. Try reading my post again. This time dont cut off the relevant part.

I was referring to why people assume someone wanting to sleep off alcohol in their cars will drive off. Its a pessimist assumption.

Please stop assuming my stance based on other perspectives youve seen. Thats what I assume youre doing.

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 3:29:00 PM
#68
Conflict posted...
You couldn't hang around on the property overnight and you could've very easily drove off while "sleeping in your car". 30 minutes is like a $20 setback

You can just ask me for context instead of making it up.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Self fulfilling prophecy. If he feared that, he could have just asked for my keys then. I wanted to sober up. But dweebs who think everyone who drinks alcohol turns into an unreasonable rager cant judge correctly.

Ironically, his insistence on an uber is what caused me to drive away.

Questionmarktarius posted...
That's still a "DUI" in most jurisdictions, somehow.

Yea, its very counter productive imo. Folks will get drunk. I would feel much safer if they were allowed to sleep it off in their cars. Telling someone they will have to take another ride isnt always received well for multiple reasons.

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 2:05:30 PM
#54
Conflict posted...
Lol how do you not see how completely understandable of a situation this is? Unless you were super paranoid about your car getting stolen or your job location is a significant distance from your house (I'm talking 30 miles) you could've definitely paid for an uber to go to work the next day.

Or I could just sleep in my car and drive home when I was sober. I lived 30 minutes from work.

Dunno why the manager was against me sleeping in a parked car.

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 1:00:16 PM
#41
spikethedevil posted...
Which should tell you something. You are literally trying to justify putting peoples lives at risk.

Sure.

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 12:54:36 PM
#38
metallica846 posted...
I like how the justifiers swarm the topic with excuses.

Its literally just me.

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 12:41:39 PM
#31
Mr_Karate_II posted...
Being tipsy and still driving is drunk driving,there is no difference.

I didnt ask that. But if treat it all the same, thats cool too.

spikethedevil posted...
Should be 0 tolerance. You put other peoples lives at risk.

I drive worse when tired than tipsy.

lilORANG posted...
It's usually not just one bad decision tho. It takes more than 1 drink to be impaired. People are usually downing multiple drinks before they get behind the wheel. Which means they knew all along they were going to get plastered and never made plans to get home safely.

I think inexperienced drinkers should have some leniency. Not in punishment, as people can and have been hurt. But from how people judge them imo. I think a lot of new drinkers arent taught how to drink responsibly. I definitely dont drink and drive today because I never put myself in that position. But when I was younger and didnt know my tolerance/limit, I definitely did. Though I never drove long distances or fought against people telling me know. Typically I attempted to sober up in some fashion.

So the typical assumption one may have of a drunk driver I dont have. I know a lot of folks are very irresponsible and take no effort to not drive while completely wasted. But I do think a small percentage are from inexperienced drinkers who didnt plan.


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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 12:21:39 PM
#15
LightHawKnight posted...
That sounds like something you should get arrested for.

Sure.

Mr_Karate_II posted...
That is such bullshit,there is never a valid excuse for drinking and driving. You chose to not wait for the uber and chose to risk the lives of other people.

Risking the live of others is a stretch imo.

Let me ask a clarifying question. Do you have any degree of leniency for level of drinking? Like, obviously getting wasted and driving is dumb. As is a heavy buzz. But if youre tipsy, and can even do that straight line walk thing, what about then? Do you still disagree?

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TopicPeople will do anything to justify drinking and driving
cuttin_in_farm
07/12/21 12:11:02 PM
#10
Ehh repeat offenders, sure.

But any one off event depends.

I remember when I worked at a restaurant, I had went there to get some drinks on my off day. I drank a bit since I had a bad day, but my manager said he would call me an uber. Seeing as I had to go to work the next day, taking an uber would leave my car. And I didnt have any way to get to work without spending money on an uber.

He wouldnt even accept me just hanging around to sober up or sit in my car. So I snuck off to drive to the nearest gas station.

I still drove while drunk, even a short distance.

But Id have to hear what the excuse is of a drunk driver before outright condemning them. People text while driving because they wont mess up.

I dont think its treated as seriously in some upbringings imo. But I dont think its a blanket thing to judge.

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TopicC/D: You would be willing to marry someone from a foreign country
cuttin_in_farm
07/11/21 5:25:35 PM
#6
AzNDarkSamurai posted...
Apparently lots of people out there hate when people do this and think they should just marry an American since theres lots of girls to be had here in the USA.

Who? Where?

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TopicEveryone makes 65-85k or keep it the way things are
cuttin_in_farm
07/09/21 3:33:46 PM
#17
bsp77 posted...
It shows how many people are self sacrificing vs simply taking advantage

Based on you assuming maybe. People currently making lower would still be capping their potential. You cant just correlate that to being self-serving.

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A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm.
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