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It's very obviously a thinly-veiled effort to cash in on current cultural trends, but it's usually obvious enough that it's unlikely to cause any harm, and it does help to normalize homosexuality et al, which is handy. Overall, I'd say I'm fairly neutral. It's easy to be cynical about it (as is so often the case when capitalism is involved), but it's generally not hurting anyone, so meh.

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Njord posted...

Given that the vehicle involved was a four-door car, it's possible that the person was just a distracted driver and had a knife on them, as some people do.

Distracted drivers that happen to have knives on them don't typically get out of the car and begin brandishing said knife when they realize they've just crashed into a police barricade.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

They called in a medical team

After several minutes. It's been a while since my last first aid training, but I'm pretty sure waiting several minutes to call for medical aid when somebody isn't breathing isn't exactly recommended protocol.

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eating4fun posted...

I am still very healthy, but still worried.

In all likelihood, the worst that'll happen is a few days of vomiting/diarrhea, and even that's far from guaranteed. You don't need to be too scared.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The "If you're not hurting anyone" bit inherently makes it not dangerous, mate.

Pretty much. Confirming that one isn't hurting anyone often requires more thought than people end up putting into the matter, particularly where people tend to have a rather narrow, egocentric view of the world and the consequences of their actions, but if you manage to confirm that, it's axiomatically not dangerous.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

I think it will be hard to prove murder, but a think you can prove manslaughter, since while perhaps the knee on neck could be justified it did seem to last way too long.

Even without looking at the knee-on-neck thing, Chauvin refused to resuscitate him and prevented other officers from calling for medical aid. It's blatantly obvious he wanted Floyd to die. That's not manslaughter.

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Sahuagin posted...

that does not fly, there are lots of things that can kill you, that doesn't make them attempted murder. you have to demonstrate a lot of things in between.

There are, but I feel like this particular example carries a high enough risk to qualify as attempted murder, particularly where it is a deliberate violent act. This is very different from, say, driving normally, which can kill passengers, but almost certainly won't.

Sahuagin posted...

blatant "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy

with regard to the issue I pretty much agree, but this reasoning is just bad (especially since you're presenting that as if it was all the legal reasoning needed to convict...)

On its own, yes, but I feel like it goes without saying that the close proximity of the two events and obvious medical connection between them means one can safely infer a causal relationship. You're correct that additional context is required to justify the conviction, but that context is pretty obvious to everyone and therefore doesn't really need to be explicitly outlined outside of a court situation (where it's going to happen regardless of how silly I say it is).

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MeteoricBurst posted...

If you haven't had vomiting or diarrhoea by now (which is surprising since it involved sauce) then you're fine.

Most foodborne illnesses need to incubate for 3-4 days before symptoms will show up. If he just ate it, unless it was actually bad enough to induce a vomiting reflex (which he would have noticed), there's no reason to expect vomiting/diarrhea to show up yet.

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If there are truly no common interests, that's going to be a problem, since it dramatically limits your ability to do things together. It's not necessarily a dealbreaker per se, but relationships do benefit from being able to spend time together other than cuddling/sex/other such intimate activities.

That said, don't confuse that with a need to have significant overlap between hobbies. You don't need to have fun together all the time, and in fact, it's generally good for the relationship to spend some time enjoying your own things. If you're able to maintain a long-distance relationship, you probably do have enough overlap of interests, since there's not a lot to do long-distance except talk about stuff, and you couldn't enjoy talking with her if you didn't have at least some interests in common.

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It's also your choice if you want to punch yourself repeatedly in the balls until you can guarantee that you'll never be able to have children. Being your choice doesn't always mean it's a good idea.

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zebatov posted...

Apparently we have to lose some lives. Apparently thats acceptable.

Not so much "acceptable" as "inevitable" People are going to be dying no matter what we do. This is true of more than just the pandemic. You can never stop people from dying altogether, just minimize the risks.

zebatov posted...

So we should just be saving the ones it makes the most sense to save.

That argument can potentially be made (though should usually be paired with concrete statistics showing how much more beneficial the saved lives will be and how that balances out the huge numbers difference), but not so much when you were criticizing people for making such calls just moments earlier. That's just plain hypocritical.

zebatov posted...

The symptoms are very similar, so its odd to me that you wouldnt end up with a single lab-confirmed case of the flu in 10.5M people, at least in major cities.

The symptoms being similar is exactly why you wouldn't. People with flu symptoms will be getting tested for Covid, but otherwise isolating. Even if their Covid test comes back negative, they're still going to be recommended to isolate until symptoms clear up. Confirming an influenza case would require them to go to a doctor or hospital, and because of Covid, people generally aren't going to be doing that unless they're quite seriously ill, which is relatively rare for influenza.

Basically, anyone that does have the flu is going to hide at home until it goes away, not go somewhere that would test them and confirm it. Coupled with an actual reduction in overall flu cases due to Covid precautions, I can believe that no cases have been confirmed.

zebatov posted...

And since youre such a numbers and facts guy, could you please tell me how many individual people in total have been said to have had Covid in BC?

100,048. They just broke 100,000 yesterday, actually.

Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html

zebatov posted...

https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/overdose-deaths-continue-to-rise-in-b-c-1.24298842

How many Covid deaths in January and February, again, adjl?

In BC? From January 3 to February 27, it looks like the total is roughly 383 (the data I found was somewhat unclear for some of those weeks, but that's pretty close). Source: http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/data

I don't know if you thought that you'd be able to say "more people have overdosed because of Covid precautions than Covid has killed," but if that's the point you were hoping to make, you should probably have checked the numbers first. You also may need to take some time to learn the difference between correlation and causality: While the uptick in OD deaths has corresponded with the pandemic response, there are considerably more factors at play there than just the precautions being stressful (including the stress of the pandemic itself, especially for homeless populations that are particularly vulnerable to it).

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zebatov posted...

And I said its nonsense because youre just making that up.

Oh, well, uh... its because people who are getting sick with the flu know its the flu and so they arent going to the hospital.

Lol. People in Canada go to the hospital with a mild fever, cough, or tiny papercut.

That's not what I said at all. I said that people who get sick with flu symptoms stay home due to the possibility of it being Covid. I don't know why you're trying to generalize pre-covid hosital visit tendencies to the world of Covid.

zebatov posted...

Okay. So is someone who will die soon of anything, more important than a working-age individual?

"I knew you were one of those types to put certain lives above others." - Somebody you'd like to think is very intelligent.

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zebatov posted...

adjl, if there are no lab-confirmed cases, then it would be impossible for me to provide you with any numbers.

Yes, yes it is. And that means you're trying to compare two things when one of those things has no comparable data to reference. That's not how you science, I'm afraid.

Now, what you could do is find a region where there have been a significant number of influenza cases, collect that data, then compare it to Covid's data from the same region. Of course, given the impact of Covid precautions on flu rates, that's probably going to have a to be a region where there aren't many Covid precautions being taken, which in turn means their Covid stats might not be the most reliable. But hey, nobody said science was easy. If you're actually interested in finding conclusive data to contradict accepted common knowledge, I'm sure you'll come up with a way to correct for that.

zebatov posted...

This is why its important to understand historical figures and averages, which were provided.

That doesn't necessarily make for a valid comparison, though. R0 values are snapshots. They indicate many cases can currently be estimated to arise from each existing case. That means they're strongly influenced by current conditions: A region in which measures are being taken to control the spread of Covid will have a much lower R0 than regions in which no measures are in place. You therefore can't compare Covid's current status *with* restrictions to influenza's status *without* restrictions. Those are very different statistics. Again, compare apples to apples. Most of science consists of trying to ensure that as many confounding variables as possible are removed before making a comparison.

Also, the 1918 flu epidemic killed like a third of the world's population. "Covid isn't that bad" isn't a particularly flattering metric.

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zebatov posted...

Everything you said here is nonsense.

If you have a reason for believing this, you're welcome to share it. If you have no reason for believing it, you shouldn't believe it. Is there something that you didn't understand?

zebatov posted...

The image from Albertas website is current. The R value rose only slightly since Nov/Dec.

That's more or less to be expected, given that Alberta's precautions haven't changed significantly. That said, going from 0.98 to 1.09 is the difference between cases declining by 2% every week or so and cases increasing by 9%, which is actually a pretty important difference.

More significantly, though, you still have not provided a *current* R0 for influenza in Alberta to which Covid's can be compared. Global values from 1918 or 1967 aren't particularly useful comparisons.

zebatov posted...

So deaths are okay as long as theyre not Covid.

How in the name of Lucifer's wrinkly scrotum did you get that conclusion from what I said there?

More deaths are worse than less deaths. That's the totality of the position in question. If more people were committing suicide over Covid precautions than were expected to die of Covid without precautions, then I'd be in favour of lifting said precautions because they were causing more harm than good. They aren't, so I'm not.

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zebatov posted...

I knew you were one of those types to put certain lives above others.

That's not a matter of putting certain lives above others. It's a matter of putting 100,000 lives over 1000 (asspulled numbers, but the fact that Covid has killed more than suicide is factual).

MartianManchild posted...

Percent of positive tests being under 5% which is usually indicative of a disease like the coronavirus being under control. Last I checked on the CDC it was 4.7%.

"Usually" has very little bearing on a pandemic situation. Pandemics aren't usual. Testing rates are vastly higher than for any disease in human history, so comparing the rate of positive tests to other diseases isn't going to result in any useful information.

You really only have to look at case numbers. You cannot even begin to say the disease is under control when you're still breaking daily case records. That'd just be stupid. It's under control when case numbers are consistently and quickly declining and the cases that remain are few enough to be tracked and managed.

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zebatov posted...

Actually, according to statistics from AB, Covid has a smaller R# than the flu has. I believe in Nov/Dec, it had a rating of 0.98, in fact.

And why are Alberta's statistics for Nov/Dec any more credible than estimates for other time periods from elsewhere in the world? For that matter, if we're making a comparison, what sort of R0 values did Alberta estimate for Influenza during the same period? Gotta compare apples to apples, after all, especially when we're dealing with a statistic that is as dependent on society's response to the virus as on the viruses' inherent characteristics.

zebatov posted...

And the measures would explain a drop in numbers, not a complete eradication in three provinces where Covid was spread

I've explained this to you at least once before, and probably more. Please pay attention this time (note: I'm leaving out your R0 comment for the reasons mentioned above):

-Covid measures are also effective for limiting the spread of influenza. This one's easy
-Standard practice for most of the pandemic has been for people with cold/flu symptoms to isolate. Covid has an asymptomatic transmission period of up to 2 weeks, so this isn't necessarily enough to prevent it from transmitting. Influenza's asymptomatic transmission period is much shorter, however, so this response has worked wonders for keeping it contained
-When people have gotten sick with flu symptoms, they've been tested for Covid, but otherwise are isolating instead of seeing a doctor for treatment (unless they become hospitalized), which means those that do have influenza are unlikely to have that conclusively diagnosed by a lab
-The populations among which influenza is most likely to cause serious illness have been especially careful to avoid covid, which has kept them safe from influenza as well and thereby prevented influenza-based hospitalizations (which is a major source of lab confirmations)

It's very unlikely that influenza has truly been eradicated, just that the cases that are out there have not been confirmed by a lab. That is completely plausible in the world of Covid, simply because people with flu-like symptoms are generally isolating instead of getting tested for influenza.

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MartianManchild posted...

Its under control

By what metric?

zebatov posted...

Lol oh okay!

I'm quite serious. I genuinely don't understand why you would keep bringing it up in such a manner. Could you help me figure that out? While you're at it,

adjl posted...

I also really want to know what you're trying to imply by putting quotes around the word "virus." This should be good.

You still haven't answered this, and I'm really quite curious about what you have to say.

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MeteoricBurst posted...

And the flu isn't gone. It was in the top 10 leading causes of death in the US according to the CDC.

To be fair, that's influenza and pneumonia, and there are areas (including his home province) that have seen literally 0 lab-confirmed cases of influenza this season. Broadly, Covid protocols have also worked on influenza, only influenza is so much less transmissible than Covid that those protocols have been enough to all but eliminate it (plus a few other factors). It's been a pretty nifty side effect of fighting Covid.

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zebatov posted...

Like I said, the only people that care are the small handful of people that I see posting here from all different parts of the world, but one same side of the fence.

And what is your sample for this assessment?

zebatov posted...

Most normal human beings who have lost their job multiple times (or havent been back to work and had to scrounge) are over it.

You think that there are people who aren't over it? Everyone wants this to be over. It's a goddamn pandemic: it sucks. The difference lies in whether people want to actually fix it and minimize the damage it can do (by enacting measures to limit the spread until vaccination campaigns can roll out to permanently squash it), or whether they want to ignore it and hope for the best. One of those is sensible public health strategy. The other is uninformed denial.

Yes, it sucks. I sympathize with those that have lost jobs and been hurt by this whole ordeal. I was laid off last March and had to support two of us on CERB alone (my girlfriend had a job lined up that ended up not starting, so she wasn't eligible for CERB herself) for several months, including being so stingy with food that I lost 20 pounds (from 190 to 170, at 6'4", so I didn't exactly have much to lose). But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing anything about it. This is a very real public health threat, and it would be killing many more people than it already has if not for measures to keep it in check. Those measures are necessary, as much as they suck.

zebatov posted...

and the flu has miraculously (all but) disappeared. Huh.

Why do you keep saying this as though it's somehow suspicious?

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zebatov posted...

nobody gives a s*** about this virus anymore.

In your province alone, three people died yesterday, 300 are currently hospitalized, and 80 of those are in the ICU with tubes shoved up every hole they have. It is demonstrably false that nobody cares.

I also really want to know what you're trying to imply by putting quotes around the word "virus." This should be good.

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zebatov posted...

I thought I could get my edit in, but you guys literally sit there mashing F5.

You made your post four minutes before mine (mine taking less than 30 seconds to make), and your edit came 1.5 minutes after. That's hardly "mashing F5."

zebatov posted...

And yes, I did answer the question.

The best answer you gave to the question is "nobody around here is sick." If you really want to settle for trying to use personal anecdotal evidence as a basis for criticizing the entire province's public health policy, I guess that's your prerogative, but you should know that that's an incredibly stupid idea.

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zebatov posted...

What age and what is the health history of the people who died? And the eighty people in IC? Lockdowns sure are working!

Also, nobody around here. These figures are probably from the LM or North OK, but they impose their draconian shutdowns on the entire province anyways.

What question did I ask you? Do you really think that what you posted qualifies as an answer to that question?

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

For the most part they are not, just people being more willing to idiotically break them.

In turn, that's creating political pressure to relax the restrictions, leading to them actually being relaxed in some areas. It's not a great situation.

zebatov posted...

Lol we just got another three weeks and nobody is even getting sick.

BC reported 1013 new cases yesterday, their highest number ever. Three people died, and there are currently 301 in hospital, 80 of which are in intensive care.

On what basis, exactly, are you saying that "nobody is even getting sick"?

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Blightzkrieg posted...

crazy that they've got like dozens of witnesses and video footage from all sorts of angles and Chauvin still getting off

There shouldn't even need to be anything more than what's already common knowledge:

• Is it considered proper police protocol to kneel on the neck of a suspect to subdue them? No.
• Can kneeling on somebody's neck kill them? Yes.
• Did Floyd die after having his neck knelt on? Yes.

The first point means Chauvin was acting inappropriately as a cop, and therefore should not have any protections afforded for those actions based on being a cop. The second means he committed attempted murder. The third means his murder attempt succeeded and he committed murder.

This should be an incredibly straightforward case.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

did they even suffer damages for what he said? that's an important part of winning a defamation case

Not at all. You can absolutely make projections of damages and sue based on that, provided the projections are reasonable.

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OhhhJa posted...

I honestly don't think this is true. I don't think most women want to get an abortion (obviously) but I think most people do it because they're scared to raise a child. Last resort implies that there's just absolutely no other option which is just factually false for nearly everyone. But if someone has a drug addiction they can't kick or something then they should definitely get one as they risk debilitating birth defects

I feel like it should go without saying that I meant "last resort to avoid carrying the pregnancy to term," given the context. Obviously, having the kid remains an option, outside of cases of medical necessity, but people who are considering an abortion tend to consider that something they want to avoid (hence they're considering a procedure that will avoid it).

OhhhJa posted...

I think most people do it because they're scared to raise a child

Or because they can't afford it, or because it would interfere with the plans they have for their life, or because they just plain don't feel like it. Not everyone wants kids, for any number of reasons. Characterizing all of those reasons as "being scared" is flagrantly inaccurate and largely counterproductive to any sort of reasonable discourse on the matter.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Depends on the Protestant. But since they mostly make up whatever they want on the fly as they go anyway, it barely matters what they believe regardless.

You say that like it's not true of all religions.

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Zeus posted...

Guessing he was where Floyd got the counterfeit bill from?

Zeus posted...

Conspiracy theories are fun, aren't they?

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TheNobleWoodApe posted...

As others have said, Keanu Reeves by far. He's still living in like a studio apartment above a dry cleaner or something. He doesn't care about money. He basically split his check for the second and third matrix movies to the b-team. God only knows what he's doing with the John Wick money. He made the third bill and ted just to hang out with an old friend.

Pretty much. Everything I've heard about the way Keanu conducts himself suggests that he doesn't consider himself remotely special for his celebrity status.

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HornedLion posted...

Dominion ones are awesome.

Voting machines are unreliable, and a threat to our free elections!

*gets sued for $1.6B.

Just kidding.

I've gotta say, of all the mental gymnastics surrounding Trump's insane tantrums, some of my favourite examples have got to be the people trying to figure out some way that Dominion doesn't have a rock-solid defamation case against his administration.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Can we knot do this

Branching out into tree puns? Oakay.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

That's a howling good pun

Eh, it's a little ruff around the edges.

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Zeus posted...

which is probably why Trump didn't have pets.

Yes, I'm sure Trump didn't have pets because he was worried that if he ever became president that wouldn't be enough to prevent people from complaining if his pets ever hurt somebody. That sounds very plausible.

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Zeus posted...

as well being based around implications.

Not really. The traditionally-female part explicitly says "my answer is no" at one point, which the traditionally-male character doesn't accept. Heck, I'd say the exact opposite is true: The song is explicitly about non-consensual sexual relations at surface value, and it's only when when you look a little deeper you find the implications and context that indicate that it is just a matter of coyly teasing each other in a consensual relationship.

lihlih posted...

I'm just seeing if there's a double standard, since people thought that the cold out there song was creepy and kind of had the "forced sex" vibe.

That's probably less a matter of it being a double standard and more a matter of nobody really knowing or caring about this song.

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EclairReturns posted...

Don't companies usually have IT departments that track a given employee's internet activities, anyway, which would invalidate the need for somebody to report said activities manually?

On work networks, sure. On a phone, or using another computer with a WFH setup, not so much.

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MeteoricBurst posted...

Part of it is because of the vaccine and part is enough time passing. Both have the effect of creating a false sense of security. This thing is far from over.

Pretty much. It's over when it's over, not when it stops feeling dangerous because you're desensitized to it.

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Kanatteru posted...

dang this is actually really good

At least on paper. Whether or not that ideal pans out remains to be seen.

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No matter how interested you are in fitness, I don't think your head should ever be particularly meaty.

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Did anyone really expect those memes to move forward?

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"If the penalty for a crime is a fine, that law only exists for the lower class." - Some dude

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Examples?

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I feel like most people are going to be against abortion to some degree or another, regardless of religious affiliation. As much as pro-lifers would like to paint everyone else that way, very, very few people getting abortions actually do so casually or without feeling bad about it. Most people that are willing to get an abortion instead of carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term consider that to be a last resort, and would much rather avoid it altogether.

Really, that's the biggest issue with the abortion debate in America: It's all focusing on whether or not abortions should be allowed instead of looking at ways to reduce the number of people that feel they need abortions. Comprehensive sex ed and subsidized birth control work wonders for reducing the bottom line of abortions performed, yet those are somehow seen as less acceptable than just making abortions illegal.

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pionear posted...

Not mocking it per se, but in the sense that many are getting desensitized to the numerous Mass Shootings/Killings that happen so often (which is quite disturbing in itself)

That's my interpretation. You're not personally belittling it, just wryly presenting it in a way that captures society's increasing apathy toward something alarmingly routine.

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I imagine it depends on the brand and exact model. Many of them are probably garbage. Others may be good. You'd have to look at reviews for specific ones to assess whether or not they're worthwhile.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Both but the 3DS lost its circle pad a few years ago

A bit of superglue will reattach that quite easily, presuming it's just the rubber bad and not the whole stick assembly that fell off.

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Zeus posted...

While it's obviously not ideal and makes life harder for them, I'd hardly say that their lives were ruined. If teen parents have an adequate support structure, they can achieve the same things that teen non-parents can achieve. The idea that somebody's life can be determined at that age (obviously excluding death) is fucking stupid, especially since there are tremendous opportunities out there for young people today that weren't available even 20 years ago.

Pretty much. Teen pregnancy is a major complication that is going to interfere considerably with the parents' (particularly the mother's) lives, so it's important to try to prevent it (comprehensive sex ed, improve birth control availability, improve abortion availability...), but with a solid support structure, there's no reason teen parents can't keep their lives on track.

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Clench281 posted...

More of an elimination than a reduction, really

Eliminations are just reductions that don't let society's expectations hold them back.

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dedbus posted...

a controller like that was an expensive and scary risk at the time given how nintendo controllers can be.

Eh? Prior to the Switch's analog issues, Nintendo's controllers have consistently been rock solid. Even the WiiU gamepad - as much as it seemed like it should have been fragile - was durable enough to withstand being dropped from 5-6 feet (which is about the worst abuse a controller should face). The worst you can really say about Nintendo's controllers' durability is that the N64 control sticks wore out quickly if you played a lot of Mario Party, and really, no controller is going to handle that kind of stress (hence the stick spinning thing disappeared after the first game).

dedbus posted...

What's amazing is the switches marketing. We heard you guys didn't like the Wii u so here's totally not the Wii u 1.5 and you're going to like it. Collectively everyone. Oh wow!

One of the main attempted selling points for the WiiU was the option to play without the TV. In practice, though, the gamepad's range was too short to take it more than 1-2 rooms away without running into reception problems, and most games either couldn't be played entirely on the gamepad, or had their functionality limited by doing so. It was a neat idea, but not one that really ended up being that useful. Enter the Switch, which made the concept work perfectly.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

I was never crazy about the way Hunter Arts were implemented, so it's cool that they've found a good way in Rise to naturally incorporate them into the existing combat.

I kinda liked them, but more smoothly incorporating them is also good. Are they a little more balanced now so that they're actually useful for every weapon? GU had some weapons that barely touched them (and not just because Valor was OP and only had one HA slot), while others relied overwhelmingly on them.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

An exaggeration TBH

Yeah, my understanding is that it got a lot better as time went on, especially with Iceborne. Comparing near-launch World to GU, though, was not exactly flattering to the former.

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