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The brain being fully developed at 25 does not mean you are not old enough to make adult decisions at 20. It just mean that it still develops. If you still think you are a kid at 20, I feel like you are just using the brain argument to refuse taking responsibility.
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NoxObscuras posted...

Wait, nasty in what context? If we're talking sexual content, it's a tie between reddit and twitter as both allow actual sex to be posted.

If you mean toxicity, I'd say twitter.

I meant "toxic"
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R1masher posted...

Chat roulette

Does it still exists?
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DDirtyDastard posted...

These message boards are just as bad. People here literally advocate murdering others that don't think the way they do.

That sounds like Twitter. I agree it's pretty bad here though, I am not defending this place, I just think out of the two wrong, Twitter is the most wrong.
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I vote Twitter. It seems like it's mostly a bunch of people wanting back to the era where we publicly executed someone.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

To suggest that a YouTuber does not have influence and some power compared to their follower is a little disingenuous. Granted musical artists don't often face legal ramifications for having a groupie.

They have no powers. If they flirt with someone, some people will publicity expose their private messages for clout and due to the power dynamics of the Twitter mob, they cannot flirt with anybody
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LightningAce11 posted...

What "power dynamic" does a youtuber have?

According to the internet, they have the power of gods even if they only have 21 followers. Some chudlogic guy (who don't have a lot of followers) was almost canceled because a 30 years old woman claimed to have been groomed by that guy and another person lied about being over 18 to flirt with him and cancellor claimed it was his responsibility to guess that she was lying.
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What?
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DuneMan posted...

The closest thing to a societal rule I've seen for this is: half your age + 7. So if you're 24, you can date a 19 year old, or at 30 a 22 year old, and so on. If anyone complains about an age gap within that range, kindly invite them to fuck right off. :P

Tbh that is a reasonable formula the more I think about it.
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Hayame Zero posted...

But Jared showed the full convo which showed that he not only explicitly asked their age, but that they lied and said they were 18 (they were 16)

Wtf? What kind of Twisted scheme is that?
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People seem to forget that even if he dates an older fans who's 10 years older, due to his fame. There will still be a power dynamic at play. Are Youtubers supposed to never date anybody due to it? Also due to the generic Twitter mobs I often wonder if that power dynamics still exist. It's like Youtubers cannot date anybody due to a chance of them being harassed by Twitter mobsters.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

TC has discovered the horseshoe theory.

Considering that I was called a sjw for defending representation of minorities in games and called conservative for saying that not including gay character did not mean a dev is homophobic. I think I believe more and more in that theory.
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Gwynevere posted...

Who is they? Like who in particular?

There's litterally one in the chat that compared defending rape of a 12 years old to consensual adults dating

https://youtu.be/4DqCiGsUJbs
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The Popo posted...

Im guessing everyone is guilty of it. If a straight guy says In my experience, its women who do this, its probably because he isnt dating any guys.

I mean. I once edited a picture because I had temporary acne right on the middle of my nose, I don't think it's on the same level as editing my body to make it looks like I am a bodybuilder
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Crash posted...

In my experience, it's largely womyn who do this. I doubt many people on this board will have ever done it.

Edit: Read the topic title the wrong way around. In that case, I highly suspect it's happened to people on this board, but not to me (I'm good at spotting it and run for the hills - something the fats would never do - at the slightest hint that the person might be fat fishing).

Well... as a gay guy, I'd say gay guys are guilty of this too.
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Thighon posted...

It can seem predatory in certain contexts. I would think someone 30+ seeking out kids in the 18-20 range has something goin on underneath there

If someone is 30 and meet someone who's 20. They are not necessarily actively seeking someone that age. I am 9 years older than my partner and most of my ex have been close to my age.
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Apparently it's a term.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Fat%2bfishing&amp=true
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FarFromFields posted...

TC how did you attribute this to "progressives"?

They self proclaim to be.
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Choco posted...

don't date someone who wasn't born on the same day as you

It scares me that if I was on Twitter, I would not expect this to be sarcastic
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MrMallard posted...

I think it's safe to say that whoever runs that Twitter account you linked to in post 3 is either bonkers or trolling. Given how scattered their entire feed is, I'm inclined to think that they're trolling.

I haven't seen the 31 year old dating a 24 year old situation. It would depend on when they met tbh, like if they met at their current ages then whatever, but if they met when she was 19 and he was 26 that'd be worse. The further back it goes like that, the worst the gap would get.

Given that we have a user who confessed to meeting his wife online when she was 14 and he was 19, who only got slapped with a warning for saying that 12 year olds can "technically" consent to sexual relationships with older people, I don't think it's ridiculous to call age gaps into question when the person advocating for them is shady as fuck. Saying that, there are some extended age gaps that are reasonable, given that both parties are comfortable and reasonably informed about the whole situation. And not knowing about this situation you mentioned in the OP, I can't judge the character of whoever's making the post and I don't know any further context behind the backlash. But yeah, it might be a little overzealous. I couldn't tell you.

As to why progressive spaces like to crack down on age gap relationships - I think it's because power dynamics in relationships are a part of the discourse. The older you are, and the more life experience you subsequently have, the more power you can wield over someone who isn't as informed as you. Someone who's 26 has 8 years of adult life experience over a 19 year old who has 1 year of life experience - I think that's a tangible difference that's worth a mention. But a 31 year old has 13 years of life experience, while a 24 year old has 6 years. That time spent in the real world is substantial, and it can help the younger party make more informed decisions because they've had time to develop life experience.

Maybe the older person is more withdrawn and sheltered, and maybe the younger person is more outgoing. It's all rule of thumb, and it's all relative. But that generalisation is there because on average, people who have lived for less time and who've spent less time in the adult world have less life experience than someone who's older than them - and that difference in life experience is one form of power imbalance in a relationship.

A 6 year age gap between a 24 year old and a 31 year old might be a bit suss to some people. It depends on the people in that relationship, and I think it's more appropriate to leave that one up in the air given that the older person isn't coming across as a fucking creep. But the reason why progressives might be more hung up on age gaps is because of that age gap contributing to an imbalance of power within that relationship. It's not the only way that a relationship might be imbalanced, but it's a form that can stunt someone else's personal growth and hurt them for the desires of the party with more power in the relationship. It's worth keeping an eye out for.

There's no definitive way to make a judgement call on a relationship, but a significant difference in age can indicate that something's wrong. Again - given that we have a user who A) groomed a 14 year old girl on the internet when he was 19 and B) said that he thought that 12 year olds can "technically" consent to a sexual relationship with an older party, I think it's important that we approach the topic with more depth than "crazy liberals shouting down a couple of adults over a consensual relationship". People do go off the deep end from time to time when they don't treat a situation with nuance - purity police-types tend to reach beyond the point of good taste. But the subject is a part of leftist discourse for a reason, and I think the basic rule-of-thumb logic behind it is a reasonable call.

Dude. You are comparing something that is a crime(for obvious reasons) to consensual relationships between adults. There is nothing "sus" about people in their 20s dating someone in their 30s. You kinda did what I mentioned. The problem in the 12 years old situation is that the 12 years old is literally a kid. 19 and 12 is horrible, but the problem is not the age gap, it's the kid part.
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Esrac posted...

Sure, but then its "something something POWER DYNAMICS". Which seems to be a stupid catch-all for attacking someone who is hooking up with someone less wealthy, less famous, or younger than themselves.

The thing is if they were attacking legitimate creeps who celebrate the moment a girl turn 18 I would not mind, but they harass random people that they don't even know and think they've accomplished something so hardcore.

The worst part is that they use the same talking points homophobes used in the past to marginalize the lgbt communities.

Also I cannot take anybody who uses "pOwEr dYnAmIc" anymore. Someone lectured a 21 years old about his power dynamic with his 19 years old girlfriend. They almost like bots saying the same crap over and over. But I suppose if you dedicate your life into being a generic Twitter mobster... you may not be good at thinking rationally.
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pure_temper posted...

that tweet is fucking stupid and the fact that so many people liked it is insane

True, but there's people who compared relationship like 22 dating a 29 years old to pedophilia in these groups and claim it's wrong because "tHe bRAiN iS nOt fUlLy dEveLopEd yEt unTil 25"(I've read the studies that claims it usually stop at 21 for women and 25 for men. These takes are stupid and the worst part is that they brag about their intense knowledge of science after that.
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pure_temper posted...

i spend time on leftist twitter and have literally never seen anything like this wrt consensual relationships

https://mobile.twitter.com/_jorts_/status/1262157571038892033?lang=en
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Some of them are actively trying to shame consensual adults for dating each other and start harassing random people on Twitter. I have seen someone harassing a 31 years old guy on Twitter for dating a 24 years old.

How the hell those people think they are helping the planet? I could understand calling out 50 years old who exclusively try to date 18 years old. But they harass even moderate age gaps and try to marginalize those people?

At first I thought they were alt right puritans, but they claim it's progressive? Wtf?
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Tbh, now that I am 32, I would not feel comfortable anymore.
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