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ChichiriMuyo posted...

The twelve teams in question don't have to leave any of their respective leagues, unless EUFA/FIFA forces them to. This league is meant to supplant the CL, not the EPL/La Liga/Serie A or any other national league.

Yeah, they don't have to, but they'd likely be playing somewhere between 11 (the very bare minimum if no other teams are interested and there's almost certainly going to be more than one matchweek) and 38 more games, with something around the 20 mark being the most probable. I don't know about you, but it's not really clear to me where these fit in the calendar which is already far too demanding for players when even the bare minimum is more than most CL campaigns.

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I think you'll find Mario Kart Wii is the best due to its ridiculous physics engine and active TT/online scene.

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firefdr posted...

I love how people point that meritocracy will be destroyed when the top four teams in Europe at the moment are three teams created with oil money and Florentino Perez

Football has been all about money for many many years now

UEFA/FIFA are just mad they aren't getting any of it. They don't care about fans, they don't care about the sport

For the record, I think the whole thing about meritocracy is true. But I would also add that this league completely removes the chance for a smaller team to have an amazing season and get those brilliant moments which the sport is all about. No more Leicester winning the top division, because whoever does win the top division that they can get in will have any triumph devalued by the fact that the "biggest" teams aren't there and the competition is so much worse.

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*more good variants on the genre

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I enjoyed the start a lot but I had a few problems with some of the episodes in the middle. More shows like it wouldn't go amiss at all, though. We need more variants on the magical girl genre like that one and Flip Flappers.

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Bloom into You

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Hibike

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ExThaNemesis posted...

This too.

These clubs, massive as they are, were started by poor and working class people FOR poor and working class people. It's ripping the hearts and souls out of the clubs for money. It's no longer Arsenal Football Club it's Arsenal Football Corporation.

It's been happening for years in the UK, particularly since the Prem came about and teams like Blackburn and Chelsea started buying their way to titles. The vast majority of these people don't have a clue about the sport and it's made all the more miserable by the fact a working class pasttime which is pretty much the biggest positive in life for a lot of communities is becoming even more financially motivated and exclusionary. It's made even more obnoxious by the fact a lot of these businesspeople below the top end of football aren't even making as much money as they could by working to improve these clubs. It's a hobby for them and they come in, sell off assets or ruin what's already in place, destroy pillars of the local community and lose money while doing so, before selling out to an equally corrupt businessperson in a few years. To use your Arsenal example, remember when they fired the dude in the goddamn dinosaur costume who'd been working for the club and with local kids for 20-odd years rather than finding some way of reducing 50k from their near half-million turnover? These people are just utter clowns.

Peace___Frog posted...

I really think this is one of the best things that the current league has to it. The Leicester storyline a few years back brought coworkers of mine who previously didn't care at all about premier league into watching the games regularly.

I think it's the best thing about sport in general. My team has, in my relatively short lifetime, gone from being in the third division, to being five minutes away from going into non-league and disappearing (may I add, due in part to corrupt business practices), before getting promoted in less than a decade from there to the very top division, beating two of the biggest clubs in the world twice in the same season, winning a major trophy and thrashing top European teams, before getting relegated again (funnily enough, in large part due to being sold out illegally to a hedge fund with no clue what they were doing). Being in the premier league, making that money, creating jobs and bringing some life back to the local area was such a big deal for almost everyone in such a poor part of the UK. This will make those left-behind areas even more excluded than they already were, and won't even improve the quality of life in the areas of the Super League teams all that much, given all of the travelling and the obvious focus on markets outside of those local ones (and the fact that few locals will be able to afford the inevitably even more exorbitant prices).

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paulg235 posted...

Honestly, depending on how the situation develops, this probably could lead to a massive exodus of players/owners/coaches/etc from European Football to the US and possibly form a major international American soccer association that would try to compete with the Champions/Premier leagues if the right investors get involved.

That's almost certainly not gonna happen for a long time. There's so many historically massive European clubs who won't join or won't be able to join the Super League, Europe cares far more about football than America, and if a player can't go to the Super League, they're far more likely to join a team like Valencia, Ajax or Marseille than go to America. America would need to actually start caring about the sport before it would happen on any large scale.

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SockoressKnight posted...

Why is the Super League bad?

It locks the vast majority of teams out of ever making as much money as those teams regardless of how well they do. It also prevents those big teams from ever suffering a natural major decline (for example, Arsenal have been slowly trending worse and worse and are looking likely to be overtaken in terms of success by the likes of Leicester more and more regularly in future, and Man Utd, Milan, Tottenham and Arsenal haven't won their leagues in a decade). No matter what you do, you will almost certainly never win the new "biggest" competition, when teams like Leicester, Montpellier and Bordeaux have won in recent-ish memory despite being so much smaller. That fairytale story will no longer be possible.

It bases membership primarily on how much money teams have, as well as their current marketability, not even their success. There's teams in the second and third divisions which have won major trophies more recently than Spurs, for example.

It kills the local game even more, and makes it so that local fans are shafted for the very richest who can afford to travel even further than they already can, and likely devalues the many local economies which rely a lot on football outside of these massive clubs. It further kills the working class aspect of football and makes being a supporter even more inaccessible to the majority of people.

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Jolly Roger Bay or Dire Dire Docks, definitely. Wet-Dry World is pretty fun, though.

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Hyouka

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A few thoughts that I've posted elsewhere:

I would honestly love to see teams such as Tranmere, FCUtd, Oldham, Wimbledon, Leyton Orient, Charlton and the likes gain more local supporters as a result of this. So much more character to the lot of those clubs than the soulless husks that are going to the ESL and a new influx of fans would help a lot of them immensely.

My club would get a massive boost from this if they are expelled from the EPL - we'd almost certainly be promoted, and we'd be a relatively big club too - we'd have gotten CL or EL regularly when we were in the prem without the top 6 around, and we have a massive international fan base right now given our historical size - biggest currently in the championship on some social media sites. It'd also potentially make the EPL and EFL more interesting overall, but it'd probably lead to a fair bit of downsizing with clubs that remain - partially a good thing since it might make them more financially sustainable and stop clubs going into tons of debt in the hopes of promotion, but on the flip side it might just concentrate money even further in the hands of a few clubs, which would just make things miserable as sin. Regardless, I'm not going to watch any super league games and I can't see it being all that popular in countries where the best teams come from, but the money from elsewhere might make it a success.

Regarding the matter of players being excluded from international competition, I don't see it happening this time around. I think it's an empty threat and the PFA will sue the pants off FIFA, UEFA and any other body which does that while current contracts are active. I imagine there'll be a grace period through current contracts, and either the super league will flop or it'll be normalised enough that players will be allowed to play for international teams. Regardless of any of that, I hope all these teams are expelled from their national competitions: it'd be deserved.

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Hibike

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Hyouka

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Bloom Into You

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Hyouka

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Hey, Zombieland Saga season two is pretty neat and airing. The OP is great again, too.

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Seginustemple posted...

George Harrison - My Sweet Lord

The Loophole - Garfunkel and Oates

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Wonder Egg

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Hyouka

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Wonder Egg

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Hyouka

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Yes.

They started off kinda funny and okay, became painfully awful, and have looped around to being bloody hilarious to make fun of, although not in the way intended by the creators.

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Hyouka

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Hyouka
Saiki

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Hyouka
Saiki K

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Hyouka
Saiki

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xp1337 posted...

stop everything

how is kiyotaka 3rd in the dr1 poll? how is that possible?

I'm just gonna convince myself they accidentally confused his ranking with Aoi's. It's the only explanation.

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Hyouka
Bloom Into You

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Hyouka
Saiki

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I just saved DNA because I looked it up and the premise was so ridiculous I couldn't not save it

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Assault Lily
DNA

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Hyouka
A Place Further than the Universe

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Hibike
Zombieland

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I'm one of the twelve people who enjoyed Excite Truck

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Bebop
MHA

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Saiki
Hyouka

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SpikeSetsFire posted...

Metric - Black Sheep

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Hyouka
Hibike

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nah it's gotta be the one with the parachuting bob-ombs

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Hardcore_Adult posted...

The Cure - The Love Cats

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Yes

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Hyouka
K-On

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Hyouka
K-On!

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Hyouka
K-On

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Saiki K
K-On

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Wonder Egg Priority
Zombieland Saga

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Hyouka
K-On

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