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andylt posted...

I never did get why people turned on it so severely and so abruptly, but whatever.

A lot of reasons imo. Even at the time of release, people weren't too high on its gameplay compared to the original game and other shooters. Infinite came out in 2013 when FPSs were moving away from single-player campaigns, but Wolfenstein (2014) and Doom (2016) revived the genre pretty soon after.

In terms of story I think the DLC played a significant factor because the reviews for that were VERY mixed compared to the base game. It starts to turn there, and then there's just been so much critical analysis of the game that's built up over the years since. That's what did it for me. It simply hasn't aged well for me. It tried something and kinda failed, but doesn't fail in (good) interesting ways. You mention the Daisy thing and yeah, that's just a massive turn-off that taints the message of the entire game.

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masterplum posted...

Seriously, you guys complain about autocracy until its autocracy you like.

Seriously, our government structure is so bizarrely anti-democratic and inconsistent that it makes no coherent sense to blindly support the processes at the expense of outcomes or motivations. The Supreme Court is not seriously committed to anti-authoritarianism, this is a calculated political ploy and we do not in fact gotta hand it to them.

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I have only soured on Bioshock Infinite over time. The performances are great and I enjoyed it when I played it, but the more you think about the actual plot and writing the worse it gets. It really is only good on a superficial level.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

didn't snyder himself say something like "i'm not associated with comicsgate in any way and i think they're a bunch of misogynist assholes"? lol

Most of the comics pros comicsgate people idolize end up doing this! It's funny every time

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Seems like the kind of thing that would be driven by some weird comic movie YouTube people, like the kind of guy who makes a bunch of videos about stuff Brie Larson says or whatever

This is part of the story too. "Fun" fact is that comic books had their own gamergate (aptly referred to as comicsgate) and while they're not totally connected, there was a degree of audience overlap before the Snyder cut stuff REALLY took off in momentum.

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Isquen posted...

Hey, hi, been playing BRD a lot lately. AoE is fine, especially if you bear in mind that Quick Nock can reset Bloodletter (and, by extension, Rain of Death) at a 30% chance. Combine this a reset during Mage's Ballad (especially the one you can force from Empyreal,) the faster spam speed from Army's Paeon (plus the lingering effect during next song) and you rarely need to keep DoT up on more than two targets unless you're fishing for quickcharging Apex Arrow.

Not exactly, you SHOULD be fishing for Apex Arrow because it's absurd potency with no falloff. In Mage's Ballad it's actually worth it to keep slapping Windbite on things and just cash in your RoD procs until you are pretty sure the mobs won't live for 30 more seconds before starting to spam Quick Nock. For other songs and big pulls it's as you say. Double dot one thing, throw out a couple more, and get to spamming.

And the other thing is that on big pulls you should be dotting enemies as much as possible and have a song running while the tank is still pulling, just to build Apex meter. It is THAT good. This might seem pretty rude but I have yet to have a tank get mad at me for doing it and it really does charge up your Apex meter super fast so.

anyways this is why I advocate for bard bane because how the fuck is anyone supposed to know any of this

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Not_an_Owl posted...

The thing with applying dots on multiple targets as BRD is that the DPS you gain is only partially related to the dots themselves - the additional procs you get from having more than 2 dots active at a time mean you get radically more Pitch Perfects/Rains of Death, which means that you're suddenly doing far more damage than you would simply by using your AoE abilities. So preventing you from easily dotting every single target in a 12+ enemy big trash pull is a very deliberate balance decision, because otherwise BRD would be comically overpowered in any content involving trash mobs. It's even something the developers have to be careful about in raid encounters with multiple bosses, since having lots of uptime on 2+ dotted targets upsets the expectations the class balance developers had in mind when designing the toolkits. This is why encounters with more than one boss generally either don't let you hit both bosses at the same time (the pre-fusion phase of E6, O12) or only have two targets active for a small part of the encounter (TEA, UCOB).

Yeah, E6S the two bosses are literally targetable for ONE Apex Arrow. I still feel ripped off. You say the devs have to be "careful" but come on, I'm asking for like ONE fight per tier where dot users get to go off. TEA was great and I appreciated that they mix phases like that so different jobs shine at different parts of the fight.

But my point is they have balance levers they can pull if they want to add it in. They could adjust the rate of procs from the spread by making it a different debuff, for example.

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What's your setup? I do play keyboard but it is probably a pain to have to see all your procs on your first bar. I still think you want easy access to dots though.

And yeah I meant best in terms of damage. For most fun, MCH is the most consistent in dungeons. Bard is better when I can REALLY pop off with Apex or I am fighting exactly two bosses but otherwise goes in the middle. And DNC aoe puts me to sleep.

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As a Bard main I think that's too complicated and a lot of RNG. And it's probably MORE powerful than just a Bane-style spread with a damage falloff, if the spread happens on tick. It wouldn't significantly change how I approach AOE situations either. In a big pack, I'm still putting up 5-6 dots or so before starting to spam QN/RoD? On 2 targets I can't afford to wait for random proc chances to spread and I need to manually upkeep with IJ anyways, it would either become a headache to manage disparate timers or just go infinite or something. So yeah, I think that Bane with damage falloff and maybe a long cooldown is just the easiest way to go. Tbh the dot damage isn't as important as the sweet, sweet procs for Rain of Death and fat Apex Arrows.

Bard AOE is a bit annoying but I think it's the best of the 3 ranged when you get the hang of it? I do agree that it becomes a huge pain to manage songs and Raging Strikes mid-dungeon because you want to lead with Mage's Ballad and buff it but make sure RS and WM are up for the boss and ugh. If you have questions about it let me know because Bard aoe is fairly unintuitive. Some kind of dot spreading would really help people grok it.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

My understanding is that Crystal is primarily known for being the RP data center, so I'm sure they'll be less than pleased by a floor of normies!

Eh, from what I hear it's an actual problem on Crystal that the raid scene is pretty dead. Anecdotally I know people who had to transfer off the data center because they had issues running content or didn't like the vibe as people started to abandon the servers. They could stand to absorb some WoW converts.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I've been thinking about this, like, what even are the GotY contenders in 2021 so far? I mean, I have my games that I like from this year, but it doesn't seem like there's been any major title that has seriously made waves this year

Ratchet & Clank, RE8, and Chicory are the biggest critical standouts I think.

Back half of the year is pretty stacked though: Metroid, Judgment 2, Deathloop, SMT5, Psychonauts 2, Halo. FF14 is having a big year so I feel reasonably confident that Endwalker might actually have a shot for some GOTYs.

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SMN went through minor reworks each time they added something though, and I actually think they have arrived at a good spot for it. It already had a significant overhaul in Stormblood and I think Shadowbringers smoothed it out.

The setup is a little complicated and like you said it really is a bunch of different systems stacked on top of each other, but when played properly it actually flows super well. All the systems form a 2-minute loop, the trances help you keep your dots up, so you get 30 seconds of DWT and Bahamut, 30s of filler, 30s of Phoenix, 30s of filler.

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It's serviceable, it's mostly a framing mechanism to get you from world to world with some cool original spice thrown in at the beginning and end. And those are the best parts! It doesn't yet have the flaw of the Disney and KH-specific elements clashing too hard (in bad ways, occasionally that is great), but generally speaking everything is very neat and tidy. Maybe a little too much so.

I won't call this a hot take because I see some other people in here thinking along these lines, but I generally think KH's story improves as it gets more insane. It's good! It gives the series a lot of character.

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Kenri posted...

Trump's goal was more like "upset the masses" than please them. Or to be more specific, "own the libs", where libs = ~65% of America.

Bush's direction was a more generic "redirect billions of dollars to large corporations through endless war" i.e. neoconservatism. Hard to say which is worse.

Trump did this too in terms of spending and actions (drone strikes) and his admin was trying to start a war with Iran. So he still takes it maybe, unless you award Bush his bonus points for doing it first.

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Since I got paid music streaming I generally losten to albums. Full thing front to back, I rarely skip songs unless it's TRULY bad or I'm familiar with the album and not feeling a track for whatever reason. So I went with the first option.

I don't NOT listen to playlists but I don't make my own (aside from basically as queues of albums to listen to), that's way too much effort. I just stick to The Algorithm or the curated playlists for those tbh. That's good enough for low-effort listening and helps me listen to singles or hear new artists, and then I'll listen to their albums if something grabs my interest.

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I mean Trump has been running his personal branding propaganda about being a self-made millionaire for decades now, I wouldn't say he did a BAD job of that either. He doesn't have to get all the details right because it taps into a really powerful idea in American culture: that anyone can make it big and we are all just "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." He ran The Apprentice and that whole reality TV boom relied a ton on this trope. Trump could afford to fuck up during the campaign because all the PR groundwork was already there.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Idk about any new coke zero.

But I tried Dr. Pepper Zero the other day and I prefer Diet Dr. Pepper :shrug:

Dr. Pepper Zero Cream Soda is the way

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8.5

I think it kind of languishes for a while before the plot really takes off, but it really comes together in the end.

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Shit I forgot all about this

Ah well, sounds like it needs some time anyways

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hockeydude15 posted...

If Trump runs he will win the GOP primary and it won't be close. If he doesn't run whoever he backs wins it by a mile. But if Biden backs out who the hell do the Dems even have? The last 2 presidential elections have had Biden (too old), Sanders (too old), Clinton (lolo), and O'Malley who isn't going to be running here. Is Harris really the only obvious choice out of this? I would have put money on Cuomo at least being in the primarys before his scandal knocked him out of politics but i really can't think of another Dem who will run for it.

Buttigeig is likely making a play since he'll have actual federal experience by then. Maybe Castro? He just took a job at MSNBC though.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

oh god I am so curious to know how this discourse shifted to whether AOC or Omar was better at among us (AOC, by miles)

The answer may disappoint you: corrik replied with one sentence supporting Omar

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I actually thought the Fiona & Cake thing WAS just the next special at first. That's pretty big news

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Do you honestly believe any Republican voter is going to remember how terribly Trump mismanaged COVID? They're going to point to the numbers of unvaccinated people dying of Delta and scream about how Biden's incompetent and anyone could have handled things better.

People also gotta remember that a large part of the conservative mindset was "COVID is inevitable and can't be stopped, sure people are gonna die but it won't be that bad" and then when it was actually worse it became "oh well COVID was inevitable and it can't be helped"

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Peace___Frog posted...

Hooray for cowardice
https://twitter.com/AlexanderMcCoy4/status/1427477233292255236?s=19

This is so awful and so on-brand for them

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It started under Jimmy Carter, believe it or not! If we're holding people accountable for this, we start with this god damned peanut farmer.

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Hey, if we're playing the blame game we can go back as the 80s when *checks notes* the CIA funded a conservative religious rebel group to compete against Soviet interests, and said group later went on to overthrow the Afghani government and form the Taliban in the 90s

So yeah, I suppose Biden is not totally to blame here. But the thing is, the situation is so much of a shitshow that just about any spin is going to feel like a cop-out.

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Here is a devent thread going around on the "training" of the Afghan forces that really just serves to show how doomed our approach was imo

https://twitter.com/MEvstatieva/status/1426874533022162945?s=19

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am really curious how anyone can expect the United States to do better for other countries when it can't even do genuinely better for itself. Like I mean... I don't know maybe this is just really obvious to me but countries who can't take care of their own don't tend to offer much to others in a genuine way throughout history.

My point is that these are not unrelated phenomenons. The SAME systems that make the United States incapable of taking care of its own citizens also incentive it to oppress and neglect the rest of the world. This is less obvious when we are talking about, say, Afghanistan and healthcare, which is mostly about the military-industrial complex and where the government wants to put its money. For an better example, climate change, the international oil economy, the wars over it, and the migrant crisis. This stuff is all connected and we should be honest about it.

Also I didn't mean to be aggro towards you there, it was more of a response towards 188 who I am now realizing is BT so whoops

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"The US (or any country, really) cannot productively engage with foreign countries and should therefore mind its own business" is just a bad take. And yes, it's nationalist at worst, naive and isolationist at best. Maybe I was too soon to slap that nationalism button but when a country like the USA is so deeply nationalist and patriotic, there is an underlying sense to it everywhere.

And notice I never said anything about forcing the US solution onto others. Obviously other communities, cultures, and nations will require their own unique solutions. This is actually an argument FOR multitasking, as those solutions need development.

As mentioned by others, the US does not meaningfully engage with foreign aid and genuine humanitarian intervention. I think this tendency to just shrug and let the country off the hook is just a variant of the moderate "better things aren't possible!" slogan, which is frustrating to me because that usually gets called out in these topics on every other subject.

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cerna_zelva posted...

Lefists as soon as Trump decided to pull troops out to present: "REEEE THE TALIBAN IS EEEVIL AND WE NEED TO STOP THEM!!!!111"

I see you have confused "leftists" with "liberals"

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Not rating this one cause I never got around to it but I find it interesting how player agency always comes up around stuff like this and certain other games I have played (*coughtloucough*) because IMO forcing a player to be an unwilling participant in a predefined narrative is also a very powerful interactive tool.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

But history disagrees with you. We continue to overfund the military and underfund social programs. Just being pragmatic here.

I completely understand and agree with the practical angle. It is hilariously politically unpopular to redistribute the US's wealth to the global poor. I get it.

But when you say "I pay taxes to take care of Americans not everyone." that's an ideological stance and thats why people jumped to the Vlado comparison.

Edit: Also on the subject of historical practicality, you're basically saying the US has such a poor track record that it can't be trusted to intervene and I'm acknowledging that and saying we need to change that.

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xp1337 posted...

we don't really

unless you're calling our military budget foreign aid which i really don't think you should

LordoftheMorons posted...

The US spends less than 1% of its budget in foreign aid. It would be worth it even for reasons of self interest before even considering the good we do with it.

Yeah this is my stance basically. Military intervention as foreign policy and "humanitarian aid" is bullshit. We do jack shit in terms of actually helping other countries and we should acknowledge that first before saying we shouldn't bother

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is nonsense tbh.

Its not about America first, I can see how youd see it that way, but its almost the opposite. Like, the US is not the leader of the world who decides who does what, when we have so much shit going on here.

Its the exact same reasoning why we have no business sanctioning other countries over police violence. Its not nationalism because that comes from the belief that were better than others, while our (I assume, I agree with Chris here so far and this is just my POV) position comes from the idea that were not special.

I could go into more but this post is getting long.

It's not that I disagree with this, it's that the other half is that the United States is the richest and most powerful county on the planet, and we got that way by extracting resources from other countries. Therefore it's immoral to just take our blood money and stay at home. It's more accurate to say this is isolationism and not nationalism, but sometimes the former becomes the latter.

I don't have the cool and easy leftist foreign policy solution because there isn't one, it's just that isolationism and imperialism both suck ass. And I got the feeling that it was being framed as an either/or when it's really not, we could both improve domestic issues and productively aid other nations at the same time.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I am like the anti Britta. She was always caring about random country problems. I care but no nation that can't provide for its people should be acting like world cop with its resources. I want everyone to live a safe and happy life and the united states agenda has run counter to this for a very long time. I don't even know what the Vado statement is supposed to be here.

It's because Vlado is a nationalist and your "America first because we don't have good healthcare" is just nationalism but from the left. I get being against the world police thing because there are are LOT of reasons to be against that. We are spending trillions of dollars on destruction and exploitation instead of constructive purposes. But do you extend this to things like foreign aid? You can't just wait until the US's problems are done because America is always going to have problems.

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I mean the problem here is that nobody seems to be able to conceive of a US foreign policy that isn't accompanied by (or, a pretense for) military action or economic bullying, right? Which, to be fair, is reasonable because that's all the US does! Our foreign policy is trash but that's just a reason to come up with better foreign policy.

xp1337 posted...

I get the inclination that "well we went in there and blew the situation up, it's only morally right we're obligated to put it back together" but I mean the past twenty years show we apparently are incapable of that so... what do you do then?

Like...were we actually trying to fix the situation, or did the US just want to occupy territory that was of strategic military significance and stopped once it no longer had political value?

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Personally I blame Harry Enten for not correcting the news anchor

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red13n posted...

To be more clear, everyone knows I have absolutely no problem arguing all day. But if you want to drop something I'll respectfully drop it. But if you want to drop it, that is your choice and you need to leave it at that, not add some dumb high and mighty comment because my brain will absolutely take that as you not dropping it.

Red you literally did that two fucking times in a row (now four times) before I did it once (now twice). I'm allowed to retort, get the hell over yourself. I get it, we're both brain poisoned, let's just agree to go touch grass.

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red13n posted...

It is pretty close. It also holds no significant purpose unless you want to delve into it and show that its wrong and vaccinations are good.

Literally did that and you ignored it. Glad to put this topic to rest though.

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StealThisSheen posted...

All I'm saying is when you word an argument like this, literally all it does is give ammo to arguments like "Well then see we'd have more of the less bad one and less of the more bad one if we weren't vaccinated. Vaccines made it worse!" and we really, really need to avoid that.

I mean I'll cop to communicating poorly but misinformation is also given ammo when people are too afraid of what the opposition will think to frankly discuss things so, I dunno. It's nuanced.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

It is doing harm to be pedantic about it and phrase anything in a way that will discourage people from getting the vaccine regardless of how technically correct you are when you preface it.

I'm definitely not trying to do this so sorry if it came across that way. and I was in fact piggybacking off a pedantic and technical post and had hoped that people would take that into context. But I should know better than to throw out half-formed hypotheticals on a very touchy subject.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Your logic kinda falls apart, here. For this to be true, it'd have to mean Delta exists because vaccines blocked the others, and therefore it mutated in response, which is not what happens. Delta becomes the most prevalent either way because it's the most contagious.

Bro I literally started this whole thing saying the exact opposite. You are both willfully misunderstanding me at this point. I regret even mentioning an offhand hypothetical.

If we had NO IMMUNITY that would mean normal-ass COVID would spread WAY more. If normal COVID spreads more, it could get to the point where Delta is not a major concern, even with it being more infectious, because there would already be so much of the others around. Hence speaking in RELATIVE terms. Obviously this is very far removed from what actually happened.

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red13n posted...

It would spread better without immunities. Saying it is spreading better because we have immunities is completely wrong.

Again, I was comparing to normal Covid-19 and how Delta had been able to overtake it. And that's not what I meant. If we have zero immunities then we'd have more cases of ALL variants and the original and therefore Delta might no longer be the most prevalent. Didn't think that needed spelled put either.

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Leafeon13N posted...

This is not a fact.

So it's not any better at causing breakthrough cases than COVID-19? I don't understand what your problem is.

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Responding to this here I guess...

Leafeon13N posted...

Can we stop buying into vaccine misinformation here.

The vaccines in no way allowed the delta variant to spread more easily in the population. Breakthrough infections, as in being able to test positive for the virus, are still relatively rare. They are still heavily disproportionate to cases in the unvaccinated population.

Here in California at least 80% of cases are among the unvaccinated with a majority of the population in the vaccinated group.

First of all, 20% cases from vaccinated individuals is pretty significant. Last I checked the vast majority of breakthrough cases are the Delta variant, and people became alarmed because they could see them rise in a relatively short span of time.

Second, you're taking what I said out of context from a population genetics perspective. It doesn't "spread faster" as in some magic superspreader event. It spreads faster relative to COVID-19 in vaccinated individuals giving it a competitive advantage which allows the Delta variant to gradually make up a greater percentage of the overall COVID population. This is why we've seen breakthrough cases ramp up gradually over the past few months - this is the Delta variant spreading. There is some data starting to suggest that Delta is overtaking COVID-19 as the main variant. And Delta has a few competitive advantages (for example, it's more infectious so it does actually "just spread faster" in a literal sense) but a major factor here is that it can better bypass immunity to covid, including from vaccinations. This is not "vaccine misinformation" this is just how basic natural selection works.

None of this is to say vaccines are bad! I didn't think I had to spell this out. The vaccines did their job by stopping COVID-19. Delta is different. The hypothetical is just me baselessly speculating to get across that normal COVID-19 could retain some advantage without vaccines. That's still a worse scenario because COVID-19 is spreading! There's a bunch of different scenarios that are worse! Vaccines are good, they prevent that, they have prevented other variants from forming, they are still effective against Delta, just less so. Vaccines did not "cause" Delta but it's dumb to deny the fact that it's spreading better because it can bypass some immunities.

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https://twitter.com/tyson_hesse/status/1425193362420736001?s=19

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Preposterously good casting

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Pick up either Persona 5 Royal or Persona 4 Golden and then the Nocturne HD port. SMT4 is acceptable if you're ok with dusting off a 3DS. SMT5 also comes out in November and that should serve as a good entry point.

There are tons and tons of SMT spinoffs but the good news is you don't really have to worry about play order outside of a few exceptions within series (Persona 2 duology and SMT4/P5 both have direct sequels). If you dive into the back catalog you will have to deal with clunky mechanics anyways so I don't blame anyone for just jumping into the most recent entries and would in fact encourage it.

Also I would hold off on playing any version of Persona 2 or 3 as it is somewhat likely they'll be getting an updated rerelease soon

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