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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 10:09:57 PM
#58
At any rate I'll help apply some pressure here since obviously people have info and Red is being stubborn.

##Vote: Red

So what'd you do, friend?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 10:07:47 PM
#55
What do you want me to ask Ulti? I asked for you guys to give me something yesterday and it was never brought up again (except from me, who brought up the fact no one brought it up again. And it was ignored!)

Not sure why you're building this narrative where I'm anti town (scum terrified of my scan going off every night until the end of the game?) but I'm not gonna be feeding into it. I scanned town Chris the day before town Chris died, pushed for the Scare lynch all day until Scare flipped scum, and the only person who was pushing for me to die yesterday was Scare making up conspiracy theories.

I'm not seeing any universe in which I'm anti-town but obviously that's easy to say from my side of things. Happy to ask whatever you'd like. But don't pretend I haven't been responding to these requests literally the entire time.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 9:33:48 PM
#41
That said, i have to assume the two remaining scum are roleblocker and Godfather. Would balance things a little better.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 9:32:10 PM
#39
Crescent-Moon posted...
Also something is now bugging me about Mike's claim.

He is now effectively claiming a bulletproof town cop with unlimited scans.

This seems bonkers broken unless he's still third party, scum has multiple roles with the potential to get around it, or both.

I mean, considering what I had to do to get it, seems about right.

By all means, lynch me if you need to, but I feel I've done enough for town this game to prove my place and lynching me seems like a terrible idea from this side of things. Not sure what more I CAN do to prove myself, just read the last few days and you can see I'm certainly not helping the mafia so far.

Hell, outside of helping the day 1 mislynch, I've been screwing them over left right and centre.

And ok on Plum. I don't want him to claim yet either, which is why I was making certain whether he had or not.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 9:22:19 PM
#36
Also I don't recall, plum claimed something other than roleblocked? I don't remember this.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 9:20:51 PM
#35
TidusOfTheX posted...
Okay, probably red,(unless pure aether is not what we think it is)mzero might be bussing though, they voted immediately right at the start for seemingly no reason

red has not claimed yet

Chris had pure aether and died the next night so I'm almost certain it just means he's town.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 9:12:35 PM
#30
Also, vanilla is great low pressure fun. I would much rather be vanilla than deal with this ridiculousness.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate
MikeTavish
02/07/22 9:11:48 PM
#29
Scanned Isquen. Pure Aether.

Really expected to be blocked today. Shocked they picked Plum instead apparently when I assume they killed Chris because I scanned him yesterday. If they let me go ham every night it will cost them the game if it hasn't already. Unless there's a Godfather they're counting on me scanning or something but that's getting a little too conspiracy theorist for me (for now, anyway).

Who hasn't claimed yet?

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MikeTavish
02/06/22 5:20:57 PM
#110
Maybe you can like... contact the admins or something? I dunno there's gotta be something you can do.

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MikeTavish
02/06/22 5:20:20 PM
#109
ExTha13104 posted...
I think I just got permanently locked out of my ExThaNemesis account.

Cannot for the life of god remember what I changed the password to and I don't have access to the e-mail either.... RIP.

This is gonna give me nightmares. Can't imagine losing my account after 20 years.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 5:18:28 PM
#238
Lol, alrighty.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 5:14:39 PM
#236
Fair enough. Thank you for actually responding to some things.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 5:12:38 PM
#234
ScareChan posted...
If scum knew what was going on already Chris could have got out in front of it and claimed it first looking for more confusion. I'm wary of Chris being alive this long

that said Isquen hasn't really stood out to me. He seems to always come around late and respond to something just enough to seem town, but not actually do anything.

So did you miss my inno scan on Chris or are you ignoring that entirely?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 3:47:08 PM
#230
BTW I raid from 4:30pm to 8pm eastern so I'll be gone for the end of day outside of quick peeks in downtime. Looks like today is all wrapped up anyway.

If Scare is town we deserve to lose because with town like this, who needs scum?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 3:16:36 PM
#229
What do you think of Chris and Isquen claiming the exact same power?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 3:11:26 PM
#227
Also in case it wasn't clear (also weird that no one has brought this up at all and completely dropped the topic), Ulti hasn't said a word since his initial tirade after being lynched.

Don't know if he's leaving us to our own devices and secretly hoping we lose so he can tell us again how bad we are or what but yeah, nada. I'll update if this changes.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 3:07:59 PM
#226
The last time you said no one was engaging with you you received multiple replies alongside questions you never answered so nah, gonna need a better reason than that.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 2:55:52 PM
#224
Hi Scare, what do you think about all the claims? Surely you realize after all of this that you coming in and saying nothing but "hello" just makes you look worse?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 2:32:56 PM
#220
Chris had claimed*

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 2:32:00 PM
#219
So that means two people visited Plum.

I dunno, something is wrong here, isquen not immediately counterclaiming Chris is concerning, even with the good guy scan on him I don't see how town doesn't twitch at seeing literally the exact same claim.

Granted, isquen seemed to not even realize Chris had scanned so maybe they just straight up weren't reading the game, which is ALSO concerning for other reasons.

Given the choice right now I'd lynch Isquen over Chris for obvious reasons but I'm also happy with the Scare lynch because he very much seems like scum rolling over and dying and his team doesn't want to help him so we can deal with this Day 4 with more night actions to work with.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/06/22 2:16:41 PM
#215
So I scan Chris town, Chris claims what he claims, then a full 24 hours later or so, Isquen claims literally the exact same thing, down to targeting the person that Chris pointed out got targeted night 1.

Did I read that right or am I still not all here after just waking up?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 7:26:26 PM
#141
The good thing is, if he IS, against all odds, town, we know Mzero is scum because there's absolutely no way there would be 3 town friendly roles that can become unshootable in one game.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 7:24:09 PM
#140
Figured if he was in danger of getting lynched today as he obviously is, he'd be playing a little harder to prove his towniness. He has instead become invisible again. Either he's useless town or blatant scum.

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TopicSaturday February 5th, 9:00PM EST, Smash Ultimate tournament! *sign-ups*
MikeTavish
02/05/22 7:01:05 PM
#75
Something came up I'm not going to be able to play tonight, sorry guys. :(

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 5:19:45 PM
#138
I agree, but not because of the flavour. I just don't think he's played like town at all.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 2:04:04 PM
#133
Has Tidus said a single word yet today?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:36:23 PM
#132
Just woke up. Outside of his original post calling everyone dumb, Ulti hasn't posted anything in our side chat. I left a message asking him for thoughts on the Mzero/Scare claims so hopefully he responds soon.

Crescent, if you have a question for Ulti you could just post it, it's not like he can't read the game anymore.

As far as everything said when I was asleep goes, seems like a lot of talking in circles but I'm still definitely leaning towards Scare scum/Mzero Town.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 2:03:13 AM
#87
Tbh between Scare and Mzero I'd definitely pick Scare as the scum. And I absolutely don't see three town-friendly roles able to avoid dying at night. Hell, even two at once seems a little crazy.

##Vote: Scare

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:55:34 AM
#84
(Or both?)

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:51:56 AM
#83
That is a very good point. One of Mzero or Scare basically HAS to be scum, right?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:38:28 AM
#78
Also this response is way late, but I don't really get the point of claiming your role and asking us to guess what you can do, Isquen. Not saying I don't believe you, just not following the reasoning behind your claim.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:34:42 AM
#77
red13n posted...
Anyway, how far into the game is tidus so I know where to stop?

I don't think he said anything more than he's really enjoying the story and would prefer spoilers to be light. Hopefully he shows up at some point and can answer this himself.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:30:27 AM
#70
Tidus asked us to try and be light on the spoilers, yes.

And I don't want to go down ANOTHER flavour rabbit hole but I don't really consider him a bad guy after everything that happens in Elpis

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:27:48 AM
#67
I probably should have spoiler tagged more than what I did. Sorry Tidus.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:27:14 AM
#66
MZero posted...
Isn't Hades a bad guy

Hades is literally an Ascian but he's also kinda not really a bad guy as we learn in Endwalker .

I don't buy scum literally claiming an Ascian. Seems like a flavour trap to me.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/05/22 1:25:29 AM
#64
##unvote

That role is so crazy that it fits right in to this game so far, also means that I can still find the WoL even if Ulti had died which concerned me as an issue with my role from the start.

Nice to see Chris doing a thing. Let's watch.

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 10:45:09 PM
#65
Zigzagoon posted...
But if you consistently beat me then I'll be sad and I won't be consistently beating your Ness :x



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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/04/22 10:36:49 PM
#50
Very odd thought process thinking there's a two man mafia team and two third parties in this game. I think you're town tbh, but I really highly doubt you're correct unless you know something the rest of us don't.

I'm also down for a scare claim because he's done absolutely nothing this game imo.

##Vote: Scare

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 10:16:24 PM
#62
Zigzagoon posted...
I will say, since I won last tournament. You can choose which character I play in my matches between Duck Hunt and Ridley in this tourney, whichever you prefer to fight.

I'm gonna regret saying this, but I need to learn how to consistently beat your Duck Hunt even if it's thoroughly unfun.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/04/22 10:11:17 PM
#43
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Back in my day we didn't flavor meta because it is stupid.

Let's do something less stupid then. Let's answer Mike's question.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/04/22 9:39:26 PM
#38
That also means we have another mislynch to work with unless I'm crazy or missing something, right?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/04/22 9:24:00 PM
#36
red13n posted...
Do you happen to know what the other option was because pure isn't really a term used to my knowledge.

Pure or dark aether. AFAIK that's not something that's in the game (in fact i think Ascians have the same aether as everyone else?) so I'm assuming it's just a fun way to refer to good and evil and it's basically a cop scan?

And Chris, I'm not asking you to carry the game on your back (obviously, considering there have been people that aren't you putting in 80% of the activity) but I would like a little more than "Hey don't do that" followed by "I told you so". For example, who are you leaning towards for the scum team, currently, and why?

Mzero's role is interesting and I guess that means mafia don't have an extra kill or they got blocked/shot into bulletproof. Question for people with more experience: Is there any way that's a scum role?

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers
MikeTavish
02/04/22 8:27:43 PM
#11
Don't have time for a ton of info right now but I gained bulletproof powers AND an "aether scan".

Chris's aether is pure. I scanned him because across all my games of mafia, town Chris has been willing to pick a game up on his back and carry it. I'm not feeling that at all here. Maybe it's because he's bored of mafia because it's "solved" or whatever but I wasn't buying it.

Legitimately disappointed to see he's town (I assume that'd what pure aether means) and I'd like to see a lot more from him today.

Will be back later when I'm at work.

Oh and Ulti says we are all idiots who should never play mafia again etc etc hopefully he comes around and gives some useful thoughts later.

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 5:56:06 PM
#54
Just call me MikeTavish btw, it is my username now so I guess it makes the most sense.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Turn 2
MikeTavish
02/03/22 3:09:31 PM
#12
Crescent-Moon posted...
He means if you somehow think he's a member of the scumteam after the events of the day, you're an idiot.

Frankly, I'd agree with the sentiment!

Not QUITE what I was saying. My play since the very start of day 1 has clearly been town. I've been actively hunting scum, pushing discussion, trying to get lots of words in the topic so that on day 3/4/5 or whatever we have a lot of things to go back to look at with slightly clearer eyes. I am going to need town to win to win this game, so I've been pushing for activity and trying to explain my points of view calmly and with logic.

If I was scum-affiliated or wanting town to lose or whatever you're offering as a possibility, I don't see why I'd be playing like this. It would make more sense to just let myself die and coast to victory considering we're already down one mislynch.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Turn 2
MikeTavish
02/03/22 2:59:52 PM
#7
Oh and as far as the how goes, he said something in his role pm fits very well with my claim.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Turn 2
MikeTavish
02/03/22 2:58:49 PM
#6
Also, if Ulti flips town that's one thing, I can understand you mistrusting me despite my play so far but if he flips scum I'd like to think it's obvious at that point that I'm on town's side.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Turn 2
MikeTavish
02/03/22 2:57:08 PM
#5
banananor posted...

i feel like you're too experienced to be doing this

you think we won't be wondering about your alignment after Ulti flips?


I mean, if you think I'm scum after all of this I don't know what to tell you.

And yes, Ulti has said multiple times that he believes I'm being honest.

Sorry about the broken quote formatting, tried to copy and paste a quote from the last topic but clearly it didn't work out right.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Thrill of the Hunt
MikeTavish
02/03/22 2:26:27 PM
#471
banananor posted...
*while the host is still being forthcoming about everything else related to your role.

ultimately, i'm more interested in hearing why plum and red (since apparently those two are the ones driving your thoughts) don't consider tavish ending up (through transformation or otherwise) scum-aligned a possibility

What makes more sense though? (Assuming, of course, that I'm being honest about my role which even Ulti agrees I am and have been)

A role where I, who needs to win with town, enter into a 1v1 with another person who needs to win with town (and IS town) and guarantee a town friendly person dies...

Or I, who needs to win with town, enter into a 1v1 with scum with a strong flavour claim?

The latter sounds much more likely to me at this point.

It's a damned if we do damned if we don't situation but I feel like we're less likely to be damned if we lynch ulti here because it eliminates the what-if scenario where he's scum regardless of his flip.

If we lynch me you all have to be left wondering about Ulti after I flip.

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TopicFinal Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Thrill of the Hunt
MikeTavish
02/03/22 2:10:48 PM
#465
banananor posted...
i feel like we're twisting ourselves in knots to imagine a scenario where all of the following is true:

1) the independent tavish is being 100% accurate and forthcoming with their role,
2) the host is actively pranking the tavish by misleading them about their path to victory, and
3) only in one specific way

if we're opening the door to the host misleading tavish, why do we trust when the host says independent will stay town-aligned if he succeeds in the merge?

i think we have to stick with tavish's original logic, before he developed cold feet

while this doesn't exactly prove anything about alignment, it's pretty rational for tavish's "target" to be bulletproof. how much would it suck to have that role, and your target dies n1?

The problem with that logic is if WoL is scum he can't die during the night (barring a town vig i guess?) and there's no way a WoL claim gets lynched day 1 and once he DOES claim I'm free to use my ability. This is actually a good point as to why he COULD be scum tbh.

As far as me being honest about my role goes there is obviously nothing I can do to prove myself other than the fact that I've been trying my damndest to lead discussion for 2 straight day phases.

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