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Gobstoppers12 posted...

I'm literally making a statement with my own voice right now. I'm not creating an entertainment product. This discussion pertains specifically to entertainment products being used as a platform to spew political stuff that people otherwise wouldn't care about.

It's fine to preach out of your own mouth, because then people can easily ignore everything you're saying. When you mix your preaching into an entertainment product that has other redeeming qualities, such that people will 'tolerate' your preaching just so they can experience the rest, it becomes a balancing act of: "How much preaching is too much? What can I get away with before I start losing people's interest?"

Maybe you should just stop being entertained rather than jump through hoops to avoid taking any of it seriously, since you disagree with a driving force of the production of art through human history.

"Everyone just wants to stare at pretty colors and hear nice sounds, and these intellectuals want to beat us over the head with message. I'll show them by smugly enjoying their art and telling them to shove their message up their ass."

Too bad she's a rotten bitch

Hop103 posted...

Just the MSM is thrashing about as usual, can't they just phase themselves out with dignity so that independent media can take over.

Uh your media already became the MSM. You should probably turn on it by now.

The use of the n-word is definitely not a terror attack that should result in the arrest of dozens of major politicians though.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Do I think it's a significant factor when the artist is being particularly preachy? Yeah, I sure do.

Ready to name any game example, or what the preachy line is that shouldn't be crossed?

You seem pretty preachy by essentially advocating that people shouldn't take art seriously. That's not very open-minded and neutral.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's the reality of producing entertainment. People want cool, catchy, fun, colorful stuff to experience. The political shit takes a far, far back seat on the plane to the rest of that stuff.

Yeah unfortunately most people have no attention span and are easily distracted by pretty colors. All the dumbest vapid shit is the most popular.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Ignoring the statement is literally a core of enjoying art.

You seriously think every artist throughout history only makes statements with their art so faux intellectuals will praise them?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Is this the part where you tell me how 'deep' music lyrics are? Lol, you act like I've never encountered art before. I elect to ignore most silly political statements in media (be it music, tv, movies, etc.) because I know where it's coming from. When somebody uses a popular platform to make a political statement, they're just casting their random intellectual chum into the waters so the other faux-intellectuals will latch on and make a big deal about it.

Meanwhile the rest of us--who don't give two shits about what George Lucas or Bono think about politics--can just enjoy the material produced for the rest of its aspects. I don't deny that there's a political message in a lot of movies/shows/songs/etc, but I choose to ignore that aspect because I know it's there, I know where it's coming from, and it doesn't affect me in any meaningful way.

"I'm the real intellectual because I ignore any time art acts intellectual" certainly is a take. Making a statement is literally a core of art.

You seriously think every artist throughout history only makes statements with their art so faux intellectuals while praise them?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

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So are you going to name some examples of preachy games yet?

And again, no one complains about games being preachy and real except when it's in reference to what they see as leftist social agendas.

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Video games are art and just as valid as other forms of entertainment, until they behave like other forms of media. I guess gamers literally just mean the visuals are designed by artists.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Your supposition has been noted, assessed, and subsequently it has been thoroughly disregarded

Why are you so opposed to intellectual stimulation? You consciously want to deny the obvious political statements of 95% of all art throughout human history, just so you can turn your brain off and watch aliens get hit with laser swords.

I sure hope you don't listen to music with lyrics beyond whatever gets played in TikToks or clubs.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

A sense of neutrality is important, actually. You mock the "all sides" notion, but it's important not to single out one 'side' of things if you actually want an audience to feel good about playing the game. Shows like South Park and American Dad understand this, and they have a roughly equal share of jokes poking fun at the right and the left. Same with King of the Hill. Meanwhile, TV shows like Supergirl completely miss that part of the equation and spent several episodes preaching about how bad Trump is (stopping just short of actually saying his name)...even though Trump isn't even president in that universe, and probably doesn't even exist at all.

It is possible to have political themes and make commentary as necessary without singling out one side or the other as being objectively 'wrong' in the context of the story. Some people have figured it out, but some others haven't.

Maybe you're just incapable of nuance. There is a middle ground between being ridiculously neutral and taking one side to an extreme.

Popular and famous art throughout the entirety of human history has picked "a side" on a topic. Most authors, directors, developers don't give every opinion on a given issue equally amounts of respect and criticism. Making a statement is actually the norm.

No one wants to be challenged any more. I continue to lament how our modern snowflake mentality has infected all sides. People want to feel good and safe instead uncomfortable and questioning everything they believe.

specialkid8 posted...

And what does any of this have to do with hand waving everyone elses opinion because you have a fragile extreme world view?

Weird take replying to someone talking about an extremist terror attack on the Capitol

Notice how no one ever swears off GTA games for being heavy handed social commentary.

inb4butheyattack"allsides"

Gobstoppers12 posted...

My views are reasonable and respectful.

Can you list some of these preachy political games then? Do they bitch about Trump, or tell us white people are evil? Maybe that communism is the one true economic system? I need to know about these games everyone is being bothered by.

It has to suck so bad to be constantly seek out things to be offended by in video games, but I guess people only care when their team is being offended.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nobody wants to spend money to be preached at by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they really are, though.

Why do you have questionable views on LGBT people then?

Because that's about the long and short of preachy "political" content I can think of that is in games.

Anyone feel like listing actual examples of the plethora of games preaching at them and denying them escapism?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's been a while. I don't buy trash indie games anymore.

True, but it's hard to know if a game is going to be preachy until after you buy it.

It must be so hard living your life

Scorsese2002 posted...

Good, now they can have a normal school experience

Don't worry. The Republicans are trying to ban that across the country too.

No one ever said the future was bright. Also, children are famous for being immature idiots. It's kind of their job

Hop103 posted...

No, video games are escapism, not a lecture hall for partisan politics.

Do you also hate movies and music? Are you mad when a video game features humans or takes place in a real country?

What horrible things do you experience in life that a few video games refuse to let you escape from? Maybe you need to talk to a professional rather than get mad that people that make things have been injecting their views into them for thousands of years

Weird how people will complain about lack of escapism when a game features minorities or criticizes America, but never when it tackles mental illness or another heavy real life topic. I don't remember seeing Hellblade be attacked for being a sad game about a schizophrenic and depressed woman rather than a escape from the horrors of real life.

People need to stop saying "escape from real life" when they mean "escape from what I see as Western leftist political views".

2/10

Citizen Kane

NeoShadowhen posted...

The Lighthouse

Kids See Ghosts 2 will never happen now

Oh look it's a pro-lifer using a baby as a tool rather than a person again

It's so dumb that no one can say THE SUPERB OWL

Vyrulisse posted...

lmfao

You're free to list all the recent Obama and Biden rallies and show all the people that walk around wearing blue hats and DNC T-shirts. Maybe link to some examples of polticians swearing fealty to Joe to keep their career alive.

Vyrulisse posted...

I think the overarching point is people getting pissed if you ever question Saint Fauci when it's been proven he's spread misinformation and been wrong in the past. Why is it out of bounds to be a bit leery of him now with this?

No one even gives a shit about Fauci except conservatives.

It's like how they paint Biden as a god that can do no wrong to liberals, but then say he couldn't have won because not even liberals like him

What even is an "interactive movie" since all types of games have included entries that have been criticized for containing "SJW politics"?

Are Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed just movies? Bioshock? Wolfenstein? Is it any game with cutscenes and dialog more significant than Dark Souls?

ProboBum posted...

I just find it funny that people are saying "it should be up to the creators" yet when the creators DON'T make a political statement in their games, people get butt hurt. Can't preach it's up to the creators while also being upset if the creators don't bend to your whims. Anyway, I'm neither for nor against it. I don't particularly care either way.

Shit. You cracked the code. We better ban video games from having stories so no developer accidentally makes a statement based on their personal beliefs

Wouldn't Trump supporters agree with such a belief though?

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

That's the thing with faith. You don't believe in something because you know it's real, otherwise it wouldn't be faith.

I don't see why this is an inherently bad thing and why it needs to be argued "herp derp can't be proven" all the time. Exactly, it can't be proven. That's the beauty of it.

There is no necessity to having to know everything. That isn't our purpose as human beings. So just enjoy the ride and don't let other people's faith in whatever dictate how you live your life. Arguing about this type of stuff is a waste of time and sometimes gets toxic.

That's not the beauty of it. And we do not have to know everything, which is exactly why we don't need to create an infinite being that exists outside of our rules and comprehension, to explain what we don't yet know.

And what people believe has been dictating how people live life for thousands of years, and not just for the people choosing to believe

Why do we choose to abandon logic one specific time and just assume everyone will accept it? Why are we hypocrites?

kelemvor posted...

Rogan also has had Andrew Yang and Bernie Sanders on his podcast. I don't listen to the guy but I just don't get the vitriol against someone who just shoots the shit with people on all sides of the cultural landscape. Does Rogan always encourage his listeners to take the advice of his more controversial guests?

Like I said, I don't have Spotify and Ive never listened to him to pass judgement.

Turns out that treating every opinion and belief as equally valid just gives the controversial, harmful, factually untrue ones more power.

People aren't saying "Wow people believe some ridiculous things out there!". They're saying "Wow crazy how you don't hear these things a lot from the mainstream media! These guys make a lot of good points! Thank you, Joe for giving them a platform!"

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Probably not, but lately I am finding some catharsis in going off on things I dislike.

How much do you fucking hate Metal Gear Solid? Or is that okay because Kojima puts a couple giant boobs in his games and they distract you?

Xavier_On_High posted...

I think they should, unless they're making a point that I disagree with, because I'm a big stupid baby.

Exactly. It's like how I don't listen to all the crappy political music these days. I listen to classic stuff like CCR and Springsteen. I want to escape from life and just groove to a beat, not hear someone's agenda.

That's definitely bad, especially if he still believes it.

But funny how mad people are that Neil Young chose to not share a platform with someone who allows unchallenged medical disinformation on a podcast, and take zero responsibility for the fact that millions of people actually listen to him and derive a worldview from the things said on it.

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

One true God is contradictory. He is one and he is infinite. Man's interpretation came from different accounts in different ways which is likely why we have different religions.

It sure is convenient that God is beyond our understanding. Makes it very easy to say he's real and not have to prove it or be able to experience him with the human senses. You can just say hippy, new age bullshit and call it truth and science.

Marauder64 posted...

Merriams-webster's dictionary states:

Full Definition of evidence (Entry 1 of 2)
1
a
: an outward sign : INDICATION
b
: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY
specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2
: one who bears witness
especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices

We have these things.

There are man-made gods, who in reality can do nothing, then there is the One True GOD who revealed himself to the oldest patriarchy.

Do you have studies to back it up? Maybe an experiment we can easily try at home?

If you even speak the word "believe/belief", then you might as well stop. That's not science.

Vyrulisse posted...

I think videogames can be a legitimate vehicle to address all sorts of issues but not all the time in every game ever.

Good thing we live in such a reality.

Do you ever stop crying about shit that doesn't matter?

The Wheelman1 posted...

Videogames are supposed to be our escape from sjw politics. Not become part of it.
I hate how SJWs feel the need to force feed their terrible beliefs down everyones throat.

I sure hope you hate GTA games. Some of the most political games out there.

Oh wait, you only get upset at "politics" that you disagree with, like LGBT characters existing or something.

Can you even name 5 games that shove their big meaty SJWism down your succulent throat?

People have been expressing their beliefs in art for thousands of years. Why stop now?

Marauder64 posted...

We have text, we have witnesses, we have history. Just because you don't "believe" the evidence doesn't change the fact that it exists.

So which God is real?

Bitch didn't even use proper punctuation.

Burnt ends are the shit

Do these idiots understand that the world is literally going to end if they are right about how bad the vaccines are?

Dathrowed1 posted...

Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy

This sounded better in your butt, I'm sure.

Some people probably have seen a woman taken by the wind.

Shishiwakamaru posted...

Because it is a very touchy and controversial subject that very few people agree on. Why can you not mock someone's religious beliefs, and if you are questioning them directly, why does your first response have to be "Imagine believing... Islam and Judaism and everything else are just as fucking silly when you really think about."

Like I said, I'm totally cool with other people's religious or cosmological beliefs. But it's pretty clear that you and several other people here are not, and that is something YOU need to work on. Live and let live.

Ok, but what makes it touchy and more controversial than other illogical, unscientific beliefs?

And part of that post was a direct response to Vy crying about how only Christianity gets criticized.

BlackBlueButts posted...

It's scary how so many people seem to think that not agreeing with a take means you want that person cancelled/jailed etc.

For all the talk they do about "free speech" they don't like it when people disagree with them.

Sorry. I don't support mass murder as a valid opposing political view.