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Vyrulisse 02/12/22 11:16:10 AM #51: |
hockeybub89 posted... Good thing we live in such a reality.Do you ever stop seething about me? Shut the fuck up. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MryA0iKJoOo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 02/12/22 11:16:24 AM #52: |
I mean, yeah, sure, why not? Star Wars was political. Superman tackled racism and homophobia. So did X-Men. Star Trek was about how good the future would be if we were all vegetarian atheist socialists. (I disagree, but it's their right to feel that way.) It gets annoying if it's handled poorly, or if they're blatantly chasing brownie points, but they have every right and responsibility to do what they feel is right. If you had a platform, wouldn't you want to address what you feel is important? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ProboBum 02/12/22 11:20:36 AM #53: |
TheOtherMike posted... When does this happen?Personal experience, I know someone who likes to preach "it's up to the creators" only to get upset if a creator doesn't pander to what he wanted. --- Wild ARMs is still the best JRPG series in my opinion and we desperately need a new game in the series! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheOtherMike 02/12/22 11:26:43 AM #54: |
ProboBum posted... Personal experience, I know someone who likes to preach "it's up to the creators" only to get upset if a creator doesn't pander to what he wanted. So one person is "people." Not just "people," but he's singularly enough "people" to generalize that "people" do this. Ok. Does this one guy get upset when any game doesn't make a political statement? Does he expect a puzzle game to espouse his preferred politics? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ProboBum 02/12/22 11:28:09 AM #55: |
TheOtherMike posted... So one person is "people." Not just "people," but he's singularly enough "people" to generalize that "people" do this. Ok.Yeah yeah, could've worded it better. --- Wild ARMs is still the best JRPG series in my opinion and we desperately need a new game in the series! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 11:34:29 AM #56: |
Maybe sometimes, but not at the cost of the game's immersion. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KeeperOfShadows 02/12/22 11:34:32 AM #57: |
It's not something I look for in games, but I'm not against it. As long as the game itself is entertaining, I don't really care what message the creator tries to convey. On the off chance I feel like the game is too political or the message ruins the fun, I just won't play it. --- Currently playing: DFFOO, FFBE - 437,696,421 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 11:35:34 AM #58: |
FortuneCookie posted... Star Wars was political.Yeah? Which part? The message of Star Wars was basically "don't be evil" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 02/12/22 11:37:29 AM #59: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... Yeah? Which part? The message of Star Wars was basically "don't be evil" yeah the GOP considers that a negative political statement --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/12/22 11:37:59 AM #60: |
Guide posted... don't see why video games shouldn't, it's an artistic medium like anything else. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 11:39:26 AM #61: |
thronedfire2 posted... yeah the GOP considers that a negative political statementAccording to whom, exactly? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IndorilGawain 02/12/22 11:58:04 AM #62: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... Yeah? Which part? The message of Star Wars was basically "don't be evil"lmao --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 12:01:33 PM #63: |
IndorilGawain posted... lmaoPlease elaborate. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/12/22 12:59:35 PM #64: |
The empire are an extremely thinly veiled allegory for the Nazis. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 02/12/22 1:03:24 PM #65: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... According to whom, exactly?Newt Gingrich is probably the person that is most famously attributed to it. And video games can continue to be political. The people that will not like such a fact tend to also be the people that cannot recognize such actions so it's mostly just a win-win more than anything else. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/12/22 1:05:00 PM #66: |
https://www.inafarawaygalaxy.com/2018/10/george-lucas-star-wars-scripts-were.html?m=1 Indeed Lucas is on record having said that the original Star Wars was in part a commentary on the Vietnam War:" No politics here --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/12/22 1:06:16 PM #67: |
They can be, but they really shouldn't be unless they actually have a good writer. If the game wears it on its sleeve, then it's just shit writing generally. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 02/12/22 1:07:17 PM #68: |
I would say its fine as long as the message is in line with the games theme and its not a forced narrative the people behind it are trying to shove down everyones throats. But knowing the west (Specifically America) thats fucking impossible, so no. --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 2:35:14 PM #69: |
ellis123 posted... Newt Gingrich is probably the person that is most famously attributed to it.So he said something along the lines of "It's our policy to be evil" or is this just an exaggeration? Actually, you probably don't need to answer that. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 02/12/22 2:36:12 PM #70: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... According to whom, exactly? the GOP every time they endorse something evil? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 2:39:43 PM #71: |
thronedfire2 posted... the GOP every time they endorse something evil?Okay, so nobody you can quote directly? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 02/12/22 2:42:53 PM #72: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... The message of Star Wars was basically "don't be evil"The choices it makes about who it depicts as evil are political ones. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 2:47:22 PM #73: |
Intro2Logic posted... The choices it makes about who it depicts as evil are political ones.I mean, they're pretty clear-cut evil, and any comparison made to any modern nation (aside from maybe Nazi Germany, of course) is flimsy at best. They literally adhere to the dark side, they dissolved the senate to become the absolute authority, and in the first movie they flew around in a planet-destroying space station doing evil things for evil's sake. There was no good reason to There is no modern leader as evil as Palpatine, and no modern government that --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WorsCaseOntario 02/12/22 2:48:30 PM #74: |
Games can be political without being social justice-y Like Bioshock was political but it wasn't SJW at all. Andrew Ryan was bad but it had nothing to do with him being a straight white male or anything. --- Frankly my dear, I don't give a ham. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/12/22 2:50:21 PM #75: |
I've never seen someone try harder to pull meaning out of a movie. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 02/12/22 3:14:55 PM #76: |
CyricZ posted... I've never seen someone try harder to pull meaning out of a movie.China's take on Fight Club was pretty amazing. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 02/12/22 3:24:31 PM #77: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... I mean, they're pretty clear-cut evil, and any comparison made to any modern nation (aside from maybe Nazi Germany, of course)The Nazis are political, for one thing, but also you don't think there's any politics in making the heroes a small group of rebels taking on a technologically advanced empire in a movie that released in the United States in the 1970s? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 3:30:52 PM #78: |
Intro2Logic posted... The Nazis are political, for one thing, but also you don't think there's any politics in making the heroes a small group of rebels taking on a technologically advanced empire in a movie that released in the United States in the 1970s?In the very vaguest sense, sure. The heroes also have advanced technology, and there's not really any political subtlety in the actual story. It's a story about fighting for people you love, it's about family and friends, trust and sacrifice, etc. etc. Any parallels to real life war are vague and metaphorical. You can watch the entire Original Trilogy and never feel even the slightest hint of political soap-boxing, which is what a good fantasy/adventure film should be. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 02/12/22 4:35:05 PM #79: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... Yeah? Which part? The message of Star Wars was basically "don't be evil" @Gobstoppers12 The Rebel symbol is based on the peace symbol which was used as a protest of the Vietnam War. The Battle of Endor -- George Lucas has long been outspoken in his politics in interviews and social media. He even claimed that Barack Obama was more powerful than Luke Skywalker. Richard Nixon was allegedly the inspiration for the Emperor, but that feels like an ass-pull since Palpatine has none of Nixon's mannerisms. Either way, Georgie-Boy is 100% anti-Republican. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 4:51:47 PM #80: |
FortuneCookie posted... Nien Numb,BRUH do you have any idea how fucking offensive that sounds? Also, his name is Nien Nunb, not Numb. FortuneCookie posted... The line in Episode III, "So this is how democracy dies.. with thunderous applause," is a direct reference to the Bush Administration.She doesn't say "Democracy," she says "Liberty," for one. For two...in what way is that a 'direct' reference to the Bush Administration? FortuneCookie posted... Either way, Georgie-Boy is 100% anti-Republican.The political messaging within the movie itself is very much anti-evil, not anti-Republican ( --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 02/12/22 5:03:08 PM #81: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... BRUH do you have any idea how fucking offensive that sounds? Also, his name is Nien Nunb, not Numb. George Lucas has done a lot of offensive things. He gave a helmeted space-dictator a virgin birth. Gobstoppers12 posted... She doesn't say "Democracy," she says "Liberty," for one. For two...in what way is that a 'direct' reference to the Bush Administration? It's a reference to the positive response the War on Terror received among Republicans. Gobstoppers12 posted... If George Lucas thought he was making a movie to criticize Republicans in particular, then he utterly failed. In catastrophic fashion. Because what he made was a space adventure series with famously black-and-white morality, where you're either good or evil, and it flips all-or-nothing like a binary switch. I never said he was a master craftsman. Or that I fully agreed with him. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IronChef_Kirby 02/12/22 5:04:11 PM #82: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/3/AANMlfAAC6xB.jpg --- "Bro Just Let Me Karate Chop You And You Can Have As Many Skateboards As You Want" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 5:08:43 PM #83: |
FortuneCookie posted... That doesn't feel direct, nor does it feel like it references the Bush Administration. At the time, the War on Terror had something like a 90%+ approval rating in general. I think maybe you're twisting reality to suit your perspective rather than taking things as they actually are. FortuneCookie posted... I also did some research into Nien Nunb's origins, and I saw absolutely no indications whatsoever that he was "modeled to look vietnamese." By all the sources I've seen, he was just one of many creature molds created for RotJ, and he didn't even initially have a speaking part until George Lucas decided to have him co-pilot with Lando later in production. So what is your source for making such an outrageous claim to begin with? Just speculation, or...? FortuneCookie posted... It kinda seems like you're saying a lot of things that just don't add up or make sense from an unbiased perspective. You're gonna need to justify some of the random stuff you're saying. References, direct quotes, stuff like that...because from where I'm sitting it kinda feels like you're just hitting me with your own theories or speculation rather than actual facts. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RedLuigi 02/12/22 5:09:54 PM #84: |
TheOtherMike posted... That's entirely for the creator to decide. --- It's-a-me! Green Mario! _Stuff_ posted "I love u red Luigi girl" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/12/22 5:09:58 PM #85: |
Yeah no one ever said that Lucas' political theming was all that well done. But there's a difference between "poorly done" and "non-existent". --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 5:12:01 PM #86: |
CyricZ posted... Yeah no one ever said that Lucas' political theming was all that well done.Just feels like people are making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations based on tiny tidbits. Some of these "Star Wars is actually a criticism against American Republicans" theories are as wild as the "Ash from Pokemon is in a coma" theory, and they seem to be based on the same amount of factual evidence. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/12/22 5:15:50 PM #87: |
Here's a 2005 article from American Republicans complaining that Episode III is anti-Bush: https://www.aim.org/media-monitor/another-billionaire-against-bush/ And a less-biased outlet on the comparisons being made at the time: https://goodfaithmedia.org/politics-in-star-wars-draw-bush-administration-comparisons-cms-5774/ It is clear that theres a parallel between the Bush administration and the rise to power of the Empire, the Evil Empire, said Newsweek movie critic David Ansen in a Today show segment Monday morning. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 02/12/22 5:16:24 PM #88: |
Tales of Symphonia had absolutely nothing to say about racism and prejudice --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/12/22 5:17:00 PM #89: |
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2005-05-18-0505180309-story.html Here's Lucas saying it was about the Vietnam War. And it also clarifies that he wrote the prequel trilogy beats before the 9/11 attacks. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 02/12/22 5:19:30 PM #90: |
*shrugs* The man himself has been pretty vocal in interviews and on social media. If you don't believe anything I'm saying, just ask him. He's happy to confirm where he stands politically. Personally, I don't think he's always right. I think celebrating America's loss in Vietnam is going a little too far with his politics. The VC did far worse than the US. But it is what it is. He saw things in black and white and Nixon was the bad guy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate reaver 02/12/22 5:20:10 PM #91: |
if the person making the game wants to use it to make a statement i dont see why not FortuneCookie posted... It's a reference to the positive response the War on Terror received among Republicans. if he actually said that was specifically a critique of republicans he's really dumb lol. if it's evocative of anything it's the initial push for the invasion when it was a bipartisan issue, i guess --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hop103 02/12/22 5:25:45 PM #92: |
No, video games are escapism, not a lecture hall for partisan politics. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/12/22 5:32:58 PM #93: |
Sounds like someone is having a hard time dealing with opposing ideas. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/12/22 6:17:56 PM #94: |
FortuneCookie posted... I think celebrating America's loss in Vietnam is going a little too far with his politicsI really don't think he's "celebrating America's loss" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 02/13/22 11:28:20 AM #95: |
Hop103 posted... No, video games are escapism, not a lecture hall for partisan politics.Do you also hate movies and music? Are you mad when a video game features humans or takes place in a real country? What horrible things do you experience in life that a few video games refuse to let you escape from? Maybe you need to talk to a professional rather than get mad that people that make things have been injecting their views into them for thousands of years Weird how people will complain about lack of escapism when a game features minorities or criticizes America, but never when it tackles mental illness or another heavy real life topic. I don't remember seeing Hellblade be attacked for being a sad game about a schizophrenic and depressed woman rather than a escape from the horrors of real life. People need to stop saying "escape from real life" when they mean "escape from what I see as Western leftist political views". --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/13/22 12:14:37 PM #96: |
hockeybub89 posted... People need to stop saying "escape from real life" when they mean "escape from what I see as Western leftist political views".Nobody wants to spend money to be preached at by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they really are, though. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/13/22 12:18:06 PM #97: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... Nobody wants to spend money to be preached at by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they really are, though.When was the last time that happened to you? --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheOtherMike 02/13/22 12:19:53 PM #98: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... Nobody wants to spend money to be preached at by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they really are, though. No one is making you buy any game you don't want to. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/13/22 12:25:23 PM #99: |
CyricZ posted... When was the last time that happened to you?It's been a while. I don't buy trash indie games anymore. TheOtherMike posted... No one is making you buy any game you don't want to.True, but it's hard to know if a game is going to be preachy until after you buy it. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 02/13/22 12:26:43 PM #100: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... It's been a while. I don't buy trash indie games anymore.It must be so hard living your life --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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