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Tidus seems like bad town to me. His reasoning has been fairly nonsensical.

it wouldnt shock me if he is scum, but I think its less likely than alternatives

Did we ever get an answer on why the hell red would Doctor scare N1? That seems like an obvious scum doc target

Or to put it another way, I would lynch every other player on this player list before mzero

I mean, right argue mzero is scum is to argue that his plan was to bus scare from post one on day 3 in a game scum was tearing up where there were several interesting alternatives that could have been pushed.

That's just not feasible guys

Crescent-Moon posted...

Plum, you agreed yesterday that a power such as the one MZero's displayed could feasibly be a scum power that has limitations on it's use.

You're now adopting a very hard stance of "MZero cannot possibly be scum with the power he's claimed".

Why such a strong change in stance?

Scare flipped scum. Mzero railed against him. It's a total package.

And the arguments against him are some of the most asinine I have ever seen

Scum red over here is actually arguing he should have commuted over not scanning.

We dead

Oh Tidus

MikeTavish posted...

Because if it's a one time use you're very likely scum. What is the benefit of keeping it a secret?

Think about this for half a second

Also red

But I like staying on Isquen because I think isquen is insta dead as town as the last 2 scum kill him

MikeTavish posted...

Mzero. Is your commute multi-use or one time?

Don't answer this

I am ready to kill mike if he keeps up this obvious scum attack on mzero.

Mzero has a role that has never before been seen on scum that is borderline bannable and led the lynch on scare

What the hell

TidusOfTheX posted...

If there are zero scum after using his ability, wouldn't the game be over?

There are Ascians hidden among us! TOWN wins the game by finding the MAFIA and eliminating them

No

MikeTavish posted...

Also Plum, you can just no lynch in that circumstance, right?

How would town know that

Someone let me know if this is worth playing

Leafeon13N posted...

Plum i am going to preface this by saying i am not advocating lynching mzero, but how are you getting to the point it would be a banned role?

Think about the optimal way to play this role as scum. You activate the faux janitor when you are the last scum left. You could have the result be a day where there are zero scum. You can't put a town in that situation where no matter who they lynch its a mislynch

MikeTavish posted...

Also in what universe does a flavour scanner not scan the claimed third party bulletproof cop to prove whether I'm bs'ing y'all or not? Especially when half the game has been coming in with conspiracy theories of me being Zenos as an SK, Zenos as a cult leader, Zenos as a chef of a fancy restaurant...

Seems like an easy way to prove I'm on town's side (at least come as close as we can get to proving it) yet two nights in a row you decided to go after other people. Why?

Because.... you are already claimed third party who was probably telling the truth? Why would you get flavor scanned?

MikeTavish posted...

Just woke up. Got raid in a bit and have stuff to do beforehand but quickly skimmed through and want to get my quick thoughts down.

I don't buy Mzero having the ability to both dodge kills during the night AND have a multiple use flavour scan. Not when combined with my Bulletproof + Scan. One of us has to be anti-town and I know I'm not sooooo...

##Vote: Mzero

Mzero is not scum. His role would be banned as scum and commuter/scanner is a normal role

Also I still think Mike's role is incredibly dumb forcing no scum to be lynched

##Vote:Isquen

Though decent chance scum knew mzeros role and red claimed his real flavor. I really think it's those 2

Crescent-Moon posted...

Problem is if he's cult leader, then we won't have a final 3 to lynch him in.

This is all some rather farfetched theory crafting, and it effectively requires Red to be town.

And like I said, if he is cult leader then good game. I'm not entertaining that possibility

I still don't buy Mike pulling off suicidal that well. If Mike is cult leader then so be it. Good game. If he is just anti town now we kill him at final 3.

I think isquen is the lynch today. The claim makes no sense. The idea of baiting Chris made no sense, and scum ninja in a game with town tracking makes a ton of sense. Plus he is possibly role blocker.

Though I do still think red is scum

Also I dont like Red showing up 4 hours after day start. It feels like he was getting a claim ready. By comparison day 2 Red showed up 36 minutes after day start

My biggest issue is Reds target list makes no sense for a protective role, N1 not chris maybe, but never chris? And mike after he was confirmed third party? Really?

I am very confused by Mzero right now

Honestly I think this is a gambit where Isquen is going to try to bus Red, so I don't know if that is necessary

Bojack

Isquen posted...

A big load of nothing, but that itself is telling, 'cuz I have some other info.

Hey, red, wanna spill?

I want a claim of everything you did every night

Mild concern about Mike rising

Mike, I still want that proof Ulti is talking to you

red13n posted...

Barking up the wrong tree, Mzero.

Ok, claim

I want to point out now if 3 scum die and the game keeps going kill Mike no matter what

Do we have a claims list?

Speaking of, I was blocked again

The only thing that makes me go hmm is if Chris saw someone visit me ... wouldn't it by definition not be a ninja?

I mean maybe isquen really really flubbed a claim but we'll see

Dammit mzero. I was going to come in saying pretty sure it was isquen/red

That doesn't look nearly as smart now

I mean I can come up with a convoluted explanation of how isquen is town and chris is scum, but I don't think that is Occulams razor

oh hey isquen role blocked me night 1.

Neat

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Really thought plum was scum guess he just forgot how to play mafia. I mean fair enough

Forgot is the wrong word. Ive been up with an infant for the last 4 hours. If I really wanted to nail Mafia I bet there are some contradictions I could read up on and that sounds like work and I have no desire to work right now. I think my mafia WAR is still positive so I havent replaced out but we are close.

other than scare, red has really jumped out at me as someone lacking conviction. I cant remember him having strong opinions toward anyone which is concerning.

Im pondering if scum chris would run that gambit to clear me. It isnt impossible, but seems less likely

I've been going back and forth on this.

My action failed n1 which I assume is the message given by a role block, so Chris if you know who targeted me they are almost certainly scum

I actually would like mike to prove Ulti can talk to him yeah

Thats not

I think Im going to exit this conversation.

I mean there are scenarios where Mzero can still be scum, but trying to use evidence he shouldnt have used it night 1 is not one of them.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm positive roles that naturally don't flip when killed have existed in mafia games before.

You'd WIFOM the hell out of scum with it.

That still leaves the scenario that scum would have had to shoot Mzero at the exact same time he commuted and also he wasnt needed the next day because if it was mylo scum insta wins anyways whether he dies or not because they cant be lynched.

Crescent-Moon posted...

To further elaborate, you effectively claim to be able to trick scum into thinking they killed you when they really didn't.

If you're town, you've horribly misplayed this.

What

Huh, we didnt target this guy at all but he randomly got janitored. We must have been responsible despite not seeing his role or targeting him at all - No scum ever

Crescent-Moon posted...

And.. When did MZero claim a scan? He just went right after lynching him.

FuturemaFry.Gif

Not sure if mafia pretending to not see the blatantly obvious soft claim or town being completely unaware of the blatantly obvious soft claim

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ok for some reason I cant type the word town. Town rather.

damn Vietnam flashbacks to that mafia game on the other forum where one of the mafia powers was replacing words

That should say substitute me for anyone else you think may be scum rather*

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'd wager it would have limitations on when it can be used. Like, GoT2 had a scum doublevoter who could only doublevote on day 1.

Fair.

I think we can save this discussion after scare flips, because I think scares role may be illuminating. If he is a scum vanilla for instance I think this is plausible but if he is a roleblocker for instance then Mzero faking a scan on him when it was extremely plausible I could have been lynched seems unlikely*

*This requires knowledge that I am town, which I am, but just go with me for a bit here or substitute me for anyone else you think may be scum

Wouldnt scum who can remove themselves from the game be in the banned roles category?

save that role till lylo, go invisible, auto win?

We do have Mzero claiming power so I am ok with a scare claim

red13n posted...

It is...possible it is a scum role?

I wouldnt necessarily bet on it but also it isn't exactly something we've seen before. Not something I'd bothering considering just yet.

Given how insane this game is, why not

My gut is also red is scum, but that probably means red is obvious town