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Are they actually writing Bobbi and Hunter out? I'll admit, I was eating during this episode, but from what I gather... they have to pretend that the pair are not SHIELD agents to avoid revealing SHIELD to the public? Seems a little convoluted.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I know the name Hive. Not sure if that's from reading comics or just a name I picked up on over time.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Is super-Inhuman... an octopus? Seems like he's fitting the Hydra trope.

Bobbi is a babe. I'm still team BobbiSimmons, but Hunter is cute I guess.

lolololol Creel is working for Talbot.

Aaaaand Talbot is working for Malick. Classic.

Ok, Creel actually being a face is amazing.

Bobbi kicking someone into a tam tam is pretty dumb, but I'm glad they didn't sub in a stupid chinese gong sound.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

RyoCaliente posted...

I don't know if I misinterpreted your statements, but Will was not possessed when he met Jemma. It was only after Jemma left.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

My expectation is that he got killed by the monster, and it took his form.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

3 MONTH TIME SKIP

In space, no one can hear you bleed.

Man. There are SO many Inhumans now. Jeez.

Aww, are they getting rid of Joey already? I wasn't super into him but he was cool.

So is the super-Inhuman Gaara? He seems to be pretty sandy.

HAHAHAHAHA OH YES TALBOT IS BACK
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ughhhh I was right. Will knows way too much. And what the hell Coulson, why didn't you just SHOOT. WARD.

JUST. SHOOT. WARD. STOP NOT SHOOTING HIM.

Fitz is being really badass shooting this monster dude and lighting him on fire, but it's not going to matter, the thing won't die anyway.

And... HE DID IT. COULSON KILLED WARD. FINALLY IT HAS HAPPENED. I FINALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WARD (he's dead).

LincolnXDaisy is still weird.

So... did the super-Inhuman go back alone or is it with Coulson and Fitz? Seems like it would just absorb into Ward's body, but he didn't go back with them.

Oh, so it DID go back in Ward's body. Yeeeessssss.

Guys, this season is so much better than season 2.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

UGH THEY KILLED BANKS TOO

I miss HYDRA not being the bad guys. Every tertiary character I liked didn't get killed off.

I can't take Iron Chef guy seriously.

I'm not sure how Coulson survived that drop, even onto sand.

Mack is kinda funny as director.

Uggghhh Simmons, don't let Andrew out.

This mid-season finale is pretty great so far.

I'm not really sure I know what's going on with Ward.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ATCU, inter-planar travel, monolith, Inhuman outbreak...

The truth is, it was all just HYDRA.

I knew this, guys. I said it, during season 1. Everything is HYDRA. Obadiah Stane, Loki, Thanos, they're all just HYDRA.

"Any sensible girl would swipe left in this moment" ehhhhhhhh "Honestly, I don't know what that means" oh thank you for salvaging the moment, Coulson.

Oh but I guess Rosalind will get shot first. By Ward? Yep, it was Ward.

Dammit.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

GUYS THEY KISSED, FITZ AND SIMMONS KlSSED
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

WTF THIS IS THE IRON CHEF GUY

AGENTS OF SHIELD HAS TURNED INTO A BATTLE OF CULINARY ARTS

AND OCTOPUS lS THE SECRET INGREDIENT
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

WHiH Shorts

Newsfront Top Stories - This lack of transparency concerning superpowered citizens sure seems to be hinting at an upcoming plotline!

WHIH EXCLUSIVE: 2012 VistaCorp break-in security footage involving cyber-criminal Scott Lang - videos without sound are boring

WIRED Insider Interviews Darren Cross, CEO of Pym Technologies - This guy seems like a bad guy!

WHIH EXCLUSIVE: Paul Rudd Interview - this one was actually enjoyable

I guess they only made these things for Ant Man and Civil War. They're ok. Kinda fun. Back to SHIELD now.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ugh my heart is breaking for May right now. Why does Andrew have to be a jerk? This is the kind of irony I like. Way better than the "oh Simmons got boinked by an astronaut". From what we know about Simmons, it seems incredibly likely that he took her v card. He's also like wayyy older than her, so really, fuck off Will.

I'm a little curious to see where this season is going to go, now that Lash is defeated. Oh, I guess it's going to go the "Rosalind is bad and is seeking to take down Coulson even after sleeping with him" angle.

But hey, get it Phil.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

boo
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

FD, you're a jerk.

Before we start throwing around "labels" like "jerk" I think it's important to remember which one of us killed the other one of us at night. :/

I did so well as Scum that I was the only person you trusted. You ruined that for me.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

davidponte posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I really liked it a lot, except I am not happy about Simmons falling for Will.

Yeah, I understood why it happened, but was not a fan of the decision.

I guess they just really want to keep the "will they won't they" thing going on with Fitz and Simmons. My expectation is that he got killed by the monster, and it took his form. My hope is that we'll learn that Simmons was just crazy and made up the guy entirely.

Man, is Rosalind just buttering up Coulson because she likes him? Seems to be some attraction there.

Ohhhhh yes she does want some of that robot hand.

Wet Bobbi is best Bobbi.

Holy crap. May's ex is Lash. SHIELD-agent is bad guy trope is going to start being predictable...
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

What an edit.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

@Meow1000

Does MZero win the game?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also:

Corrik posted...

Somebody isn't scum for thinking you are scum.

Part of the reason I used to be such fire back in the day was because this was true for me. When I was Town, nobody ever came after me unless they were Scum. Even still, usually nobody came after me and then I got n1 killed...
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I don't think Andy's modkill affected the outcome of the game.

FD, you're a jerk.

I think, aside from MZero, the Scumteam played really well, and even MZero's move (while maybe unnecessary and extending the game) really helped Corrik establish himself as Town, so it all worked out.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I really liked it a lot, except I am not happy about Simmons falling for Will.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Simmons looks really good for being trapped on this barren planet for weeks.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Skye got turned into an alien.
Fitz almost went brain dead.
Simmons got trapped in another dimension.
Bobbi shot herself through the chest and has a knee issue.
Coulson died.

This team sure has some baggage.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

DaisyXLincoln is weird
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

That was a really good season premiere! Onto episode 2!

Man, Fitz finds one little bit of sand on the monolith and suddenly everyone is on his side again.

Aww May is spending time with her pops.

There's a babby von strucker.

Man, they really solved the Simmons being stuck in the monolith plotline pretty quick.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Agents season 3! Jumping right into the terragen fish oil, too.

Yeah Mack! Yeah Hunter!

... boo Daisy

Oh Bobbi is still here. I guess she has to be the new Simmons...

New Skyehair.

They kept Coulson's stone hand!

And it's Lincoln from Cincinnati!

Surprise! The bad guys aren't bad guys! The real bad guy... is Akuma from Street Fighter!

I like how Coulson just hangs around with his hand off.

Haha slight reference to Ant-Man!

Simmons is alive.

And where the hell is May?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

It was ok.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

NBIceman posted...

Luis is pretty lame.

boy I'm boutta throw hands

He's very good and very bad. A pure example of how the rewrites hurt the movie.

Grand Kirby posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why did the Wasp have wings but not the Ant? Seems like an oversight, there.

I just realized they ask this question in the sequel, and never answer it.

I've heard the director didn't do a great job writing it.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Luis is pretty lame.

Wow, they actually made me feel sympathetic for an ant dying. Good job.

FINALLY he puts the Yellow Jacket suit on. Ok, this climax is pretty great. I love the switches between regular size and tiny in this instance. Since both combatants are able to switch sizes, it makes the changes all the more fun and less worth thinking about. It is a little interesting how Paul Rudd just jumps around the place and looks like he's flying, but he's just jumpin around. Why does he have wings installed in his suit? Why did the Wasp have wings but not the Ant? Seems like an oversight, there.

All of the stuff they're throwing around while small being shown to just be a toy flying around the room at normal size is pretty hilarious.

Hahaha he flew by a tardigrade. Man, this movie is an acid trip. Like I said, the subatomic shrinking was a Chekhov's gun.

Stan Lee as bartender in Luis's story. I was wondering when they'd bring him in. Really effective. Stan Lee always works the best when he has a quick appearance in a non-speaking role.

Aaaaand it looks like the AVENGERS are looking for Paul Rudd. Will he make a showing in Avengers, 2.5 Civil War? Perhaps he will!

Post-credits scene... YUP CALLED IT HOPE IS GONNA BE THE WASP (white anglo-saxon protestant)

Alright, so... wait, second post-credits scene?!

BUCKY

"The Accords"? That sure sounds like something that won't be important at all to the plot of the next Avengers movie.

Alright, so... the movie was a little rough to start. It felt pretty clear throughout that it was a film where the directing didn't always match with the writing. But it wasn't done that poorly. Most of the bad moments were paced out far enough with good inbetween, so it didn't ruin the movie like Iron Man 2's bad moments did.

It was an interesting take on Pym, but once again, better than having abusive jerkface Pym. I kinda like old, badfather Pym. Hope was solid too... like most things with this movie, the first act really didn't sell me on her, but as things got developed, her character was shown to be well-written and pretty badass. Way better than Iron Man 2's Black Widow.

Darren Cross aka Yellowjacket... was kinda boring. He wasn't bad. The guy was a jerk. Seemed to fittingly be a Hank Pym that DID become an asshole. Seems a little dumb that they said the whole "particles mess with brain chemistry" as a way to explain him turning evil. Why not just have him be evil? He was obsessed with proving himself to be better than Pym... just elaborate on that goal and obsession and show how it forces him to sacrifice his own humanity. I mean, he just flat out killed a guy in the beginning. He was clearly an ass. Particles my ass.

Paul Rudd, as himself, was a pretty good character too. I mean, thief with a heart of gold is a tiring trope, but it's easy to ignore that and just focus on him being himself. My suspension of disbelief was ruined, however, by them featuring Paul Rudd as a featured character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What are they going to do next, have John McCain get to be the Rhino in the next Spiderman movie?

Get it? Because RINO?

Anyway, I enjoyed this movie more than I expected to. It was rough, but at its core it had a lot of great elements. Even if the story and writing wasn't the best, the spectacle of effects, exploring the small world, ants, etc... were all very worth seeing.

Movies
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man 3
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Ant-Man
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man 2
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ant-Man

This movie was originally helmed by Edgar Wright. Like, originally slated to be a Phase 1 movie to come out alongside Iron Man and Hulk. It got put on the docket because the script wasn't family friendly enough. But then, eventually it was revived! I was so incredibly excited for it, as the man is famous for Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, and awkward sexts to my sister. However, there were creative disagreements and he left the project, meaning this movie won't be as good as I hoped.

It's an old Triskelion! And a young Hank Pym! And an old Howard Stark! And an OLD PEG CARTER! How many movies is she even in?

What is Paul Rudd doing in prison? I thought he was an actor. Required viewing for all Ant-Man fans:



Paul Rudd has a Masters in Electrical Engineering? What is he doing at Baskin Robbins, he doesn't need a minimum wage job, he's a famous actor!

Why is Pym so old? "Tales to Astonish" pretty overt, there.

Yellow-Jacket is a pretty cool name.

Oh jeez, the bad guy just compressed a dude into a small pile of goop. Why make a tiny soldier when you can just make a shrink ray that turns people into goop? Shrink the vehicle someone is in and presto, bam.

The humor so far is... it really feels like it was almost an Edgar Wright movie but somebody else took over.

This whole heist is clearly staged for Pym to lure Paul Rudd in. And probably test him as well.

Ok, this humor is starting to grate on me. It's almost funny, but mostly just short of it.

oh no... not a lamb... poor lamb. This villain is freaking evil and probably the worst person in the history of Marvel films.

Why did Paul Rudd shrink... and start running around instead of trying to increase back in size? This whole sequence with him running around while shrunk is silly. I guess they're just taking advantage of their opportunity to do a Honey I Shrunk the Kids sequence, but man is it silly.

Newspaper article "Who's to blame for Sokovia?" I like the small little references to Avengers 2, let's the Marvel world feel important

"If that regulator is tampered with, you'll go subatomic" sounds like a Chekhov's gun.

Ok, this whole training montage feels a lot more like an Edgar Wright sequence. I've started enjoying the movie!

Janet WAS the Wasp. I kinda like that they skipped over the whole Hank and Janet Pym story and all the abuse and everything. Hope seems like she'll be the female lead of an Ant-Man sequel.

Hahahaha they're breaking into the new Avengers facility. Oh hey, Sam!

Ant-Man vs Falcon is the best part of this movie so far.

ANThony I get it!

"She's not my girlfriend" CLASSIC WOW SUCH GOOD HUMOR

Luis is totally going to whistle.

I guess I never expected to see a movie where a tiny man rode a surfboard made out of fire ants through a water pipe.

Everything with the cops being there is annoying. Adds complication, solves it in 5 seconds, repeat, repeat, repeat...

So the combat in the Ant-Man suit is a little unnecessary. If he has the same strength, or more while small, why does he ever get big, aside from to travel greater distances?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Grand Kirby posted...

pxlated posted...

Battle is ehhh but most rpg battle systems start out pretty bland. I was expecting something more action-y but that's not necessarily a problem.

Wut.

I can't imagine anybody calling Xenoblade's battle system "bland". I mean, I understand you don't have a lot of arts or abilities yet, but even then in comparison to other RPGs it's pretty dynamic. It's one of the best things I like about the series, since even fighting a bunch of ordinary battles is fast-paced and fun.

Probably because she doesn't have a lot of arts and abilities yet.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

the game is beautiful

if you stream it, you will talk. Because you will be quoting the characters
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I meant to watch today
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

why do that when I could just read an Ulti topic?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

#bump#
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Band camp season is about to pick up, so I need to find time to smash through Ant Man and then get started on AoS s3.

I have a feeling I'm going to put the Netflix shows (and Inhumans) on the backburner and just go through the rest of the movies and AoS...
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

@Gmun

feel free to assign a bot to this topic :)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

bump
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Corrik posted...

Sounds to me like you are hoping for something to help out those who are not as well off financially.

That should not be only limited to one race in that bracket.

Help everyone or help no one.

Man, it's almost like I said something along those lines. I guess it's too much to expect you to read posts though *shrug*
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Good finals.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

RyoCaliente posted...

I can see it being lower than AoS, but not AoS S1. Han is weird.

AoS s1 just had me very captivated! I didn't want to put it down.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Corrik posted...

If you have to consider race to make a decision, you are making a judgment based on racism. Whether negative or positive.

Race should make no difference at all into your decision. Nor should sex, etc.

Pretending that problems don't exist doesn't make them go away. Being willfully blind of racist policies just helps enable them.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Corrik posted...

Why is this a topic

Looks like fake Preston forgot to jump on his Preston account
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

TV Shows
Daredevil s1
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. s1
Jessica Jones s1
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. s2
Agent Carter s1
Agent Carter s2
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Once Hope had control again, she accepted that she had no way out and chose to release Jessica from her responsibility to her. Hope's point was very clear with her name - the entire series, you're stuck thinking that Jessica's push to do good was led by her hope for clearing Hope's name, but really, it was hope that she could solve Kilgrave without violence. When that Hope died... she was suddenly free from that lack of control, could accept her losses, and move on to kill Kilgrave.

Control was an issue for minor characters as well - Trish's mom was all about control. The guy who 'donated' both kidneys to Kilgrave had a lack of control for the rest of his life. Heck, the woman who wanted to kill super-powered people couldn't accept that super-powers had more control than her, and she struggled to try to take that control of her life back.

Let's talk about Theme 2! Jessica accepted her losses in the very beginning, because she had to in order to face Kilgrave. However, as time went on, she tried to have too much, and it led to complication after complication. It wasn't truly until after she lost Hope that she could move on.

Luke hadn't really accepted the loss of his wife. Once he lost everything - his bar - he could finally move on and take out Kilgrave (well not really because he was still in control but w/e). Simpson's refusal to accept his losses led to his downfall. Hogarth refused to sign the divorce papers and ended up losing her ex-wife and girlfriend in the process. She kept the money though!

Malcolm had so much taken from him. He was one of the first to accept that he had no control with drugs, and chose to accept that and take the hit to get over his issues. He started a support group. He was always trying to help. His whole bit was trying to teach people to accept their losses and move on. He finally managed to help crazy chick do it too.

Anyway, I'm done with the symbolism talk now. When strong themes are given clearly, it's fun to read into all the ways they've been explored.

Jessica Jones is, at its core, a show about a woman who was raped and her deep struggle with moving on.

Anyway, some good things - Malcolm being saved and recovering who he was was a great story. Luke was pretty badass. Jess and Trish going from episode 1 to "I love you" in the finale was beautiful development. Jessica herself was a delight... just a shitty person in a shitty situation who had to deal with the fact that she wanted to do good but it was kinda out of her nature.

Things I did not like - the divorce subplot was boring. The violence and darkness was maybe too much... I mean, we got that Kilgrave was crazy evil, but man they took every opportunity. The amount of loss in the show... for the twin sister, for Hope, for every person that died along the way... it was staggering. Maybe it's not a negative, but the show was a little too dark for my tastes. I need to watch something cheerful to get my spirits up again... something cheerful like Game of Thrones.

Ultimately, it fell into the issue that Daredevil started to have that I feel all of these shows will have... the plot doesn't need this much space. Stop solving the problem JUST to 'oops it's not here's a complication'. Just get it over with.

I enjoyed the show for what it was, but I'll be honest, not enough really happened to keep me engaged throughout as much as I was with Daredevil. Characters were less interesting. Backstory wasn't explored clearly and consistently enough. Cast wasn't expansive enough, and the main characters, aside from Jess/Luke/Trish/Kilgrave, weren't enough to make up for the lack of interesting characters. Plot felt stretched out. It was good, but... this is going to annoy some people I'm sure:
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Marvel's Jessica Jones

I'm glad this show got the go-ahead so early on. It was a good pick. "Who is this woman, is she just a private investigator?" Well, she's an alcoholic, kinda a bitch, and I guess she's got super strength too. But that's not what defines her. We see that pretty early on... she's not just "strong woman".

However, Kilgrave saw her as "strong woman". Throughout the series, we get introduced to this villain bit by bit as we learn how evil he is, how messed up he is... and I guess we're given one slight chance at feeling sympathetic with him. But even still, Jessica is right - the dude is demented and trying to make him act the hero doesn't change that.

With Kilgrave... you're given a villain who does things that are so messed up that you can't help but root for Jessica, even if she's an asshole. This sets up plenty of opportunities for the writers to have fun with murderporn, but it creates seemingly little room character development. Whereas Kingpin spent his whole story battling with who he was and just what he could do, Kilgrave... Kilgrave's issue is that he lived life with control and didn't know how to deal with not having it. That's Theme 1.

You see this theme all throughout the show - it's probably the most important one. After all, that's the villain's power. Control. You see many people controlled, and the effect it has on them afterwards. The whole first few episodes deal with Jessica coming to terms with her lack of control when she was with Kilgrave. The rest deal with her trying to patch up others. Even when she finds out that she is in control and he isn't, she still has no control because he is still controlling everything else.

This lack of control is Jessica's biggest hardship - not being able to control the safety of others, not being able to control the way she wants to live her life with Trish pushing in on her, not being able to control how she feels about Luke/his wife... in the end, her growth is by accepting her lack of control. She lets Trish push in, she lets herself care for Luke, and she lets Kilgrave control how he pleases. Jessica won, because she accepted her losses, which is Theme 2. We'll get to that in a bit.

Kilgrave suffered from a lack of control as well, as I said. But for him, it became an obsession. When he couldn't control Jessica the first time, he got hit by a bus. As the show went on, he tried every trick he could to get her to comply... but she turned him down bit by bit by bit. If he would have Accepted His Losses, he could have moved on, lived life, and avoided seeing her again. But he couldn't move past the lack of control. That is what truly controlled him. In the end, it was what took him down... he couldn't accept that he had no control over Jessica, and willingly let his reluctance lead his neck into her twisting arms.

Other Lack of Control - Trish couldn't control her life early on, so she decided to make a change about that. She accepted her faults and learned from it. Her training, her security... easily Trish is the most secure character on the show. She IS the pinnacle to achieve. Even when Simpson went crazy (literally buying into losing control), she kept her cool and stayed in charge. Trish knew she had to accept that she didn't have what it took to save Jessica from him and took the red pill... she was the glue that held Jess together.

Hogarth's whole story is based on being an incredibly controlling and manipulative person, a la Kilgrave, but having to deal with her lack of control in her divorce. It controlled her and made her release Kilgrave, suffering the effects of his evil in the process. Jessica helped her though - made her accept who she was all along, which set her back on path in the end.

(cont.)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I struggle to remember... it's either Lexington or Louisville... but one of those cities has a relatively new superintendent that has completely turned things around in recent years.

If other City-Public-School systems follow their example, huge changes could be made. Problem is, a lot of cities are segregated in ways that make fixing education difficult without fixing neighborhoods.

And fixing neighborhoods often just leads to gentrification.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also, affirmative action benefits poor white people too. Poor black kid vs poor white kid is probably not a real situation. Middle class white kid would lose to both of them.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Corrik posted...

I disagree specifically that it is "racism" when you blindly do not apply to race.

I also think it IS racism to choose a black person of poor financial background over a white person of poor financial background simply because of race.

One is making a decision based on race. One is not.

Jakyl's point is that making a decision based on socioeconomic status is linked to basing a decision on race. That's not malevolent racism, it's statistics.

If you choose to ignore statistics when making such decisions, then you are choosing to ignore that your practices overwhelmingly benefit white people over black.

I think we can all agree in general that things would be better off if we could find better ways to reduce poverty. It would certainly help people of all races.
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