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I started Hi-Fi Rush over the weekend, and I'm waiting for it to click with me. I'm still on the first track though, so maybe I just need to get out of the intro level.

Hall of Fame Results

With seven voters, five votes were needed for enshrinement

WR Patrick Turner - 1 vote
DT Charles Alexander - 1 vote

WR Mario Manningham - 2 votes
SS Roman Harper - 2 votes

SS Ian Cox - 3 votes

RT Phil Trautwein - 4 votes
DT Rob Armstrong - 4 votes

C Kyle Young - 6 votes
DT Red Bryant - 6 votes
MLB John Abbate - 6 votes

WR Ted Ginn - 7 votes
TE Zach Miller - 7 votes
RT Daniel Inman - 7 votes
ROLB Willie Williams - 7 votes
CB Sean Smith - 7 votes

Congrats to our seventh Hall of Fame class!

Immortals: Fenyx Rising (XB1)

This was a lot of fun. I wish the combat was more intrinsically or extrinsically rewarding, but it was fluiding and snappy enough. The game shines with its puzzles, especially with its constellation puzzles and those inside of vaults. I also liked the lighthearted tone and bright visuals.

After seeing a list of winners after the fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I finished near the bottom

Jeopardy
The Rehearsal

Seanchan posted...

being unable to sit to milk the goats without restarting the scene

That is exactly what happened to me. I kept hitting invisible walls trying to move to either stool. That was the only hiccup that I experienced.

Portal >= Portal 2 > Galaxy >= Galaxy 2

All four were featured in my Top 100 games ranking, so I was going to be satisfied regardless.

Sealab 2021
I Think You Should Leave

Minneapolis
San Antonio

Columbus
Providence

Oops, I forgot to do 16 game averages for Manningham. Eh, I don't feel like doing it this close to the deadline.

Personally, I like how it played out with this prompt for a 1 v 1 format and the fighting on a 4-way than if the opposite occurred

Monthly Progress
Blood - Kenri
Adios - KCF, JONA
Rush - Sean

Nominations
KCF - Pyre, Lil Gator
VI - Plague Tale Inno, Ghostwire

Supports
Kenri - Pyre
MZero - Pyre

Portal 2

changmas posted...

Milf Manor prob slams this category easy though whenever it's up

I personally like I Think You Should Leave out of the remaining show titles for this prompt

The Price is Right
Bluey

Once I get to like 20 games beaten, I think that I will finally add games to categories

San Juan
Providence

Minneapolis
San Jose

#GuessTheGame #300



https://GuessThe.Game/

I would recognize most screenshots from one of my favorite and most-played games

Even if I do get back into Lords of Shadow, I highly doubt that I will beat it before the drawing, so I might as well nominate now. There are several games that I intended to beat when they came up but life or something else got in the way. Let's choose...

Dishonored 2

I should probably get around to the team financial/free agent sheet within the next day or two

Persona 5 Royal (XS/X)

At its best, it had a very addicting loop as I was settling in, learning, and deciding what I favored. However, it was around 50 hours that I was ready for it to end...only to go through 40+ more. I have little doubt that it is a better game than Persona 4, but I think that I ultimately had more fun with 4 than 5 for a variety of reasons and also because I played 4 in my early 20s and 5 in my early 30s.

Portal 2

The Simpsons
Caillou

Columbus
Cincinnati

Whose Line Is It Anyway?
Moral Orel

I have played them all except for Pyre.

Transistor and Hades are outstanding. In both, I loved the plethora and variety of abilities and mixing and matching abilties to see what worked best/was a blast. It has been like I decade, but I remember thinking that Bastion is a fine isometric action game that suffers from hiding the best weapons until like the final third of the game.

Portal 2

Reading Rainbow
The Rehearsal

Providence
Raleigh

Minneapolis
San Jose

I started Lords of Shadow and man looking at the map screen when I was finished, there are an obscene amount of levels based on its various indicators.

It functions fine, but there are some design choices that recall some of the frustrating things about 00s and early 10s gaming. The camera has issues in combat and platforming that combined with the image quality from that time, it can be hard to discern objects, attack patterns, etc...

That swamp level also kind of sucked due to its labyrinthian layout and how much of a slog it was to move through the water.

I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with it, and I probably won't pick it up again until I do Hi-Fi Rush in the main project, but at least I played some of it.

#GuessTheGame #297



https://GuessThe.Game/

I've gone through this game at least five times, so I was definitely going to recognize basically the first spot in the tutorial mission

I will go ahead and nominate:

Lil Gator Game
Pyre

Peggle 2 since I don't think the other Peggles are on those platforms

Jeopardy
Fox News

Adios (PC)

There isn't much to say

KCF has beaten Adios

It was fine. I will say that it is more interesting subject matter/had better voice acting/writing than other games like this. It bugged me the entire game that I had heard the voice of the hitman before. After seeing the name on the credits, I looked him up and he also voices a character in a game that I'm currently playing (the coach in Persona 5).

Looking at the bracket, I find it assuming that we could have both semis feature Super Mario Galaxy vs Portal

Providence
San Jose

Alexander - No

It pains me to say no to Alexander. I wanted him the year he was drafted, but I was drafting in Fenny's stead. I felt like Alexander was the best pick for the Jets, so I took him for Fenny one or two spots before me when I was in charge of the Dolphins. Alexander was one of the main stars of the Fenny and early post-Fenny era Jets. He was never quite the two-way star he was always on the cusp of becoming, but he was very disruptive, especially with his absurd FF total. While I do agree that his impact was greater than his stats suggested (though his per 16 game sack total is very good for a DT), it just wasn't quite enough for me to call him a Hall of Famer.

Bryant - Yes

I expect people to look at his per 16 totals and be unimpressed and maybe even think Alexander was superior. I think he was one of the best two-way DTs that we've had. He began his career with the Bucs who back then were bleeding talent due to inactivity, and he ascended there pretty quickly, allowing that defense to keep them as a perennial playoff team. Then he went to the Packers where he continued making a big impact. The Packers D became a perennially great unit and the team went 29-19 with two division titles during his tenure. He then made his way to the Bears where while he may not have transformed that defense, he did perform to the tune of 142 tackles, 15 sacks, 3 FRs in two seasons there. He then went to the Rams for his final three seasons where they have pretty much been the league's best defense. His tackles went down (probably because the defense forced a lot of 3-and-outs and turnovers, but he did have 24 sacks and 4 FFs in three seasons. When you ask me what the ideal DT looks like, Bryant is near the top of my list.

Armstrong - No

While Armstrong had the luxury of a strong supporting cast for most of his career, that doesn't take away his personal accomplishments with comparable per 16 stats to Bryant and numerous Pro Bowl trips (as well as a Super Bowl title). It does muddle his impact some. That being said, looking at his year-by-year stats, he did seem to rise to the occasion when he graduated from one of the newer guys to one of the old guard. Even though his career and per 16 stats suggest it, he didn't seem to quite come up with a complete season. His 70 tackle, 12 sack (with no FFs or FRs) S11 looks vastly different from his seasons with more modest tackle and sack totals while typically averaging 2-ish FFs+FRs. He is definitely one of the better fringe cases, but I think I have to say no for now.

Abbate - Yes

Abbate, the former 206th overall pick, might be the prime example of an underrated career. From his draft origins to his three seasons as a backup before becoming a starter to his high level of play to his lack of recognition, I can't think of anyone else who had a more underrated and unheralded career off the top of my head. There's a lot of statistically comparable players that will be retiring in the coming seasons, so it's good for Abbate that he retired now as his line and averages (sans the sacks) look pretty sexy. That, his impact on a team that grew into an elite defense, and me being a sucker for a good story make his candidacy a clear yes to me.

Williams - Yes

His tackling may not jump out, but he ended up being what modern real-life teams look for in a pass-rushing OLB. On sacks alone, he will probably end up with one of the highest totals at the LB position in our league's history. Even though he did miss a little more time than the average OLB, his INT/FF/FR still managed to look fantastic. He was also one of the best players on the team during their SB-winning season in S6. It's a close call, but his prolific work as a pass-rusher at his position is the deciding factor in me saying yes.

Smith - Yes

He's not the first player that I have said this about since I introduced the Hall of Fame voting, but Smith was sort of a tale of two players. During his 49ers tenure, he infused much needed talent into a sad-looking secondary as he became a shutdown corner that helped turn their D around while still providing a healthy amount of INTs. When he went to Kansas City to finish off his career, he became less of a shutdown corner and more of a ballhawker with 14 of his 35 career INTs coming in those final three seasons. He finished with 35, which I believe is good for the second-most in B8NFLL history, and he had four trips to the Pro Bowl. He also never missed a game and would have joined Zach Miller as players who started every game possible if not for being relegated to slot corner duty in S15 (he still had 6 INTs and made the Pro Bowl).

Cox
Harper - No

I'm just going to lump these two together because I feel like if you say yes to one you kind of have to say yes to the other. We've been spoiled by some good SS play over the years, and Harper and Cox are arguably less accomplished than some recent candidates that I said no to in recent seasons (Michael Huff, Thomas Davis, and Jessie Daniels). Those three even have DB of the Year awards to their name, with Davis becoming the first DB to be named Defensive Player of the Year. I will say that both were more consistent than the aforementioned three and Harper's per 16 stats do jump out at me. I would have liked to see him play another two seasons to see where things shook out. I have no qualms if they are ultimately enshrined though, but I don't want to say yes to pretty much everyone, and these two are a fringe case that as I have said, I have also said no to in recent years.

Because I'm the only one capable of understanding the context of these players careers, I acknowledge that for some it can be difficult to evaluate these players as a result. As always, here is my public ballot to possibly be a reference tool for whatever the participants ultimately decide.

Ginn - Yes

Ginn would almost certainly be a real life Hall of Famer with this kind of career, so in a game that lack the prolific passing attacks that has been going on in real life, his numbers really jump out. He's third in career rec yards in B8NFLL history, and his 120 total TDs scored I believe are 2nd. His stellar work as a returner, and getting that Super Bowl ring in his final season are just the icing on the cake for a Hall of Fame career.

Manningham - No

He had quite the decorated career despite being a part of some terrible surrounding casts with the Colts. In a way, he's like a poor man's Ginn, and you have to wonder where he would have ended up statistically if he and Ginn swapped landing spots. His body of work doesn't quite reach Hall of Fame-caliber to me, but it was indeed a great career.

Turner - No

In terms of his five year peak (his final five seasons), he was probably the third-best WR in the league after Gonzie Massey and Stefon Diggs. He averaged roughly 950 yards and 10 TDs during that span. It's a shame that his career began just after War went crazy with Aaron Rodgers, who led the league in passing every season from S2-S5. If he combined his late-career peak with more production in his Browns tenure, I'd say his case would be very compelling.

Miller - Yes

Miller is probably the most complete TE that we've had and likely ever will have. I know TE stats are underwhelming, but he averaged over 60 receptions and nearly 550 yards every season. Among active TEs, nobody has more than 589 receptions or 4993 yards (34 year old Dwayne Allen for former, 31 year old Tim Wright for latter). Miller's rec and yardage totals might stand as B8NFLL records at the position. There's no performance stat to back this up, but he was also an excellent blocker. He was the #1 run-blocking TE and #8 in pass-blocking, and it showed amid a roster that kept churning OL. Also, you all know that I am a sucker for ironman streaks, and he started every game possible (in the regular season).

Young - Yes

Young is one of the more interesting cases. His ratios are great but not quite elite along the interior. However, he was responsible for a lot of blocks. The closest block total among true interior OL is Josh McNeil, who is still active and will add to his totals, with 564. That difference is quite obscene. He has also been quite decorated and has had a profound impact in the running game with the Jags, blocking for the likes of Hall of Famers Adrian Peterson and R.J. Jackson and incumbent Eddie Lacy who has 1100+ rushing yards in each season with the team. I wish I could remember the exact trade details that led him from Washington to the Jags as there were multiple of those in a short span. It could have been the Drew Brees/Keiwan Ratliff trade. It's not important, but this was an excellent career by the former 5th round pick.

Inman - Yes

There might be a performance peak, any position, as good as Inman across his first seven seasons. He had the following marks across those seasons:

81 blocks, 7 sacks
87 blocks, 3 sacks
101 blocks, 5 sacks
88 blocks, 4 sacks
93 blocks, 5 sacks
92 blocks, 4 sacks

A small dip in efficiency followed by injuries and small-sample size then caused him to only finish with 12.4 blocks per sack allowed, but damn was he was phenomenal and instrumental in two Super Bowl victories for the Commanders. In a list of candidates full of no-brainers, he might be the most obvious one.

Trautwein - Yes

I voted yes for Mike Jones last season for his phenomenal second-half career with the Titans. Trautwein is another such player. He play sporadically with the Ravens as mostly a swing OL who also dealt with some injuries. When he left for the Titans at the age of 31 to become their full-time RT, he began by posting 42 blocks against 1 sack allowed. He then followed that up with a five season stretch where he combined for 355 blocks vs 24 sacks allowed and four trips to the Pro Bowl. His final season was sadly cut short, but he didn't allow a sack in five games (10 blocks). His ratio ended up better than Inman's, and his per 16 game averages look fantastic. As defenses have started rising in recent seasons, Trautwein has continued playing at an elite level. His overall body of work might not be enough for people, but he's a Hall of Famer to me.

Portal

The deadline to submit a ballot will be Sunday, March 12th at 9 PM ET. I will do a quick count after the deadline and do a live ceremony in our Discord channel soon after.

11. MLB John Abbate
- Played all 14 seasons for Express (215 games, 170 starts)
- 1291 tackles, 32 sacks, 12 INTs, 15 FFs, 27 FRs
- Per 16 game averages of 96.0 tackles, 2.3 sacks, 0.8 INTs, 1.1 FFs, 2.0 FRs
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S7)

Abbate ranks among active and just retired LBs 2nd in tackles, T-8th in FFs, 2nd in FRs

12. ROLB Willie Williams
- Played all 13 seasons for Lions (188 starts)
- 843 tackles, 75 sacks, 18 INTs, 16 FFs, 21 FRs
- Per 16 game averages of 71.7 tackles, 6.3 sacks, 1.5 INTs, 1.3 FFs, 1.7 FRs
- Defensive Rookie of the Year (S5)
- 2-time Pro Bowler (S5, S15)

Williams ranks among active and just retired LBs 20th in tackles, 2nd in sacks, T-7th in INTs, T-6th in FFs, 5th in FRs

13. CB Sean Smith
- Played S6-S14 for 49ers, S15-S17 for Chiefs (192 games, 176 starts)
- 273 tackles, 35 INTs, 6 FFs, 11 FRs, 2 def TDs
- Per 16 game averages of 22.7 tackles, 2.9 INTs, 0.5 FFs, 0.9 FRs
- 4-time Pro Bowler (S8, S14, S15, S16)

Smith ranks among active and just retired DBs 1st in INTs, T-13th in FRs

14. SS Ian Cox
- Played S6-S9 for Cowboys, S10-S17 for Steelers (188 games, 124 starts)
- 697 tackles, 17 sacks, 25 INTs, 13 FFs, 20 FRs, 7 def TDs
- Per 16 game averages of 59.3 tackles, 1.4 sacks, 2.1 INTs, 1.1 FFs, 1.7 FRs
- 2-time Pro Bowler (S13, S16)

Cox ranks among active and just retired DBs 4th in tackles, T-10th in INTs, 2nd in FFs, 1st in FRs, 1st in def TDs

15. SS Roman Harper
- Played all 11 seasons for Jets (166 games, 164 starts)
- 765 tackles, 22 sacks, 15 INTs, 15 FFs, 18 FRs, 4 def TDs
- Per 16 game averages of 73.7 tackles, 2.1 sacks, 1.4 INTs, 1.4 FFs, 1.7 FRs
- 1-time Pro Bowler (S12)

Harper ranks among active and just retired DBs 2nd in tackles, 2nd in sacks, 1st in FFs, 2nd in FRs. T-7th in def TDs

6. RT Daniel Inman
- Played all 15 seasons for Commanders (212 starts)
- 985 blocks vs 79 sacks allowed (12.4 blocks per sack allowed)
- Per 16 game averages of 74.3 blocks vs 5.9 sacks allowed
- 3-time solo or Co-OL of the Year (S3, S5, S6)
- 7-time Pro Bowler (S3, S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, S9)

Inman ranks among active and just retired OTs 1st in blocks, 6th in sacks allowed

7. RT Phil Trautwein
- Played S4-10 for Ravens, S11-S17 for Titans (136 games, 122 starts)
- 553 blocks vs 43 sacks allowed (12.8 blocks per sack allowed)
- Per 16 game averages of 65.0 blocks vs 5.0 sacks allowed
- 4-Time Pro Bowler (S13, S14, S15, S16)

Trautwein ranks among active and just retired OTs 16th in blocks, 27th in sacks allowed

8. DT Charles Alexander
- Played all 13 seasons for Jets (179 games, 176 starts)
- 528 tackles, 81 sacks, 20 FFs, 6 FRs
- Per 16 game averages of 47.1 tackles, 7.2 sacks, 1.7 FFs, 0.5 FRs
- 3-time Pro Bowler (S6, S9, S10)

Alexander ranks among active and just retired DL 10th in tackles, T-17th in sacks, 1st in FFs (2nd overall)

9. DT Red Bryant
- Played S4-S9 for Buccaneers, S10-S12 for Packers, S13-S14 for Bears, S15-S17 for Rams (217 games, 205 starts)
- 726 tackles, 80 sacks, 2 INTs, 12 FFs, 8 FRs
- Per 16 game averages of 53.5 tackles, 5.8 sacks, 0.1 INTs, 0.8 FFs, 0.5 FRs
- 2-time Pro Bowler (S7, S15)

Bryant ranks among active and just retired DL 4th in tackles, T-19th in sacks, T-1st in INTs, T-9th in FFs

10. DT Rob Armstrong
- Played S3-S16 for Giants, S17 for Buccaneers (221 games, 199 starts)
- 727 tackles, 91 sacks, 14 FFs, 10 FRs
- Per 16 game averages of 52.6 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 1.0 FFs, 0.7 FRs
- 3-time Pro Bowler (S5, S9, S10)

Armstrong ranks among active and just retired DL 3rd in tackles, 10th in sacks, 6th in FFs

1. WR Ted Ginn
- Played S4-S16 for Eagles, S17 for Orcas (204 starts)
- 918 receptions for 12399 yards, 113 TDs (including 1 rushing)
- 299 kick returns for 7600 yards, 260 punt returns for 3038 yards, 7 return TDs
- Per 16 game averages of 72.0 receptions for 972.4 yards, 9.4 total TDs
- 1-time Co-WR of the Year (S13)
- 4-time Pro Bowler (S7, S9, S11, S13)

Ginn ranks among active and just retired players 2nd in receptions, 2nd in yards, 1st in TD receptions, 2nd in total TDs

2. WR Mario Manningham
- Played all 13 seasons for Colts (179 games, 151 starts)
- 623 receptions for 8387 yards, 71 TDs (including 1 rushing)
- 440 kick returns for 10454 yards, 408 punt returns for 4505 yards, 8 return TDs
- Co-Offensive Rookie of the Year (S5)
- 1-time Returner of the Year (S5)
- 4-time Pro Bowler (S10, S15, S16, S17)

Manningham ranks among active and just retired WRs 8th in receptions, 6th in yards, 6th in TD receptions

3. WR Patrick Turner
- Played S6-S13 for Browns, S14-S17 for Rams (176 games, 159 starts)
- 624 receptions for 8575 yards, 60 TDs
- Per 16 game averages of 56.7 receptions for 779.5 yards, 5.4 TDs
- 3-time Pro Bowler (S14, S15, S17)

Turner ranks among active and just retired WRs 7th in receptions, 5th in yards, 8th in TDs

4. TE Zach Miller
- Played all 14 seasons for Dolphins (224 starts)
- 915 receptions for 7633 yards, 44 TDs
- Per 16 game averages of 65.3 receptions for 545.2 yards, 3.1 TDs
- 2-time solo or Co-TE of the Year (S14, S15)
- 6-time Pro Bowler (S5, S9, S12, S13, S14, S15)

Miller ranks among active and just retired TEs 1st in receptions (3rd overall), receiving yards, and TDs

5. C Kyle Young
- Played S3-S6 for Commanders, S7-S17 for Jaguars (204 games, 193 starts)
- 726 blocks vs 113 sacks allowed (6.4 blocks per sack allowed)
- Per 16 game averages of 56.9 blocks vs 8.8 sacks allowed
- 6-time Pro Bowler (S7, S8, S9, S10, S11, S17)

Young ranks among active and just retired interior OL 1st in blocks, 2nd in sacks allowed

B8NFLL Hall of Fame Ballot

The following posts will contain 15 players and their career accomplishments up for immortalization. It has been suggested that I don't stick to a 15-person ballot in the future, but I thought this was a very strong group overall, so I made sure to add fringe guys that have low odds of enshrinement to round out the group.

This is a yes/no exercise, and there are no limits/minimum requirements to who you say yes to. Participation is of course voluntary, and you can PM them to me, DM me on Discord, post in the topic, discuss or whatever. You decide what your criteria for selection is. You can base it solely off of the context of B8NFLL, compare to real life stats, or some marriage of the two. Given how active participation in the league has its peaks and valleys, I will not have a specific target percentage of Yes votes that will ensure enshrinement. It will of course be north of 50% at the very least.

Frasier
I Think You Should Leave

Definitely close with the first one since literal kids (Ed, Edd, and Eddy) vs middle-aged people with pretty much no fighting skills