Lurker > STEROLIZER

hockeybabe89 posted...

They'll make like... 12 dollars and then close the site or sell it off.

This is your modern Internet. Websites exist to do nothing but show ads and take people's money. If they aren't succeeding at either of those, they have no value. The greedy companies shitting up the Internet are determined to destroy any inch of the thing that isn't making them lots of money.

I mean, this isnt a fan site. Its always been owned by large corporations. It literally sold for millions of dollars back in the day.

GameFaqs was in a great position to turn a massive profit during the era of smart phone mass adoption and the rise of mobile gaming circa 2010-2015 but for whatever reason the website just never modernized itself and released a mobile app with social media integration for logins and reshares and stuff.

At that point it seemed as if CBS Interactive was satisfied with just breaking even on ads & cross traffic. But by the time of the first sale to Red Ventures the site was probably no longer breaking even.

If thats the case then Red Ventures would have to make the decision to either take a loss by putting in money to modernize the platform and eventually get their investment back once it finally turned a profitor sell it off.

We know what they chose. Now Fandom is in a similar position and seem like they are going to try and rebuild the platform into profitability.

But that doesnt make them evil. This had NEVER been an independently operated fan site. Its just felt that way for the last 8 years or so due to the decline in traffic and lack of updates. But its not.

I dont get how so many people are painting them as the villains for trying to monetize their investment as opposed to just letting it slowly wither away and die.

It doesnt make any logical sense.

I wish theyd add a play nice rule which basically just means dont be jerks to other people be nice and respectful.

You will always have people who dance around the ToS claiming that they arent directly insulting the personbut its obvious the purpose of said post is the demean that person and make them upset and/or sad.

I like when the rules are vague and open to interpretation and basic common sense deductive reasoning as opposed to be looked at like a math equation.

In that regard, these rules could still use some work but overall they are a vast improvement. I am eager to see where Fandom steers this site under these new guidelines.

I am very hopeful for the future

Heineken14 posted...

Once again it's up to the left to "have a dialogue" with hateful right wingers and bring them over to their side. Their side, which has more people who routinely vote for and agree with it.... but they must placate the right to open a dialogue on why they are hateful bigots to try and sway them over to a side that if it weren't for an archaic voting system would have forced them out through attrition long ago.

QFT

Murphiroth posted...

"Just talk to the people that hate you and want to murder you :)" talk is disingenuous at best.

Don't talk to those folks then.

But there is a difference between someone who wants to literally murder someone because they are blinded by hare, and someone that is just ignorantly voting against a policy that probably could use their vote.

I don't see the logic in trying push everyone away, rather than bring them into the fold.

Edit: I think I'm going in circles at this point. I understand that not everyone is going to agree with trying to open a dialogue with the opposition, but I defiently do. From my own personal life experiences, I've seen it work, which is why I try. But I also recognize that sometimes its just a mission to nowhere. The person I quoted mentioned me being former "pals" with some less than desirable folks. Although I would challenge the "pals" label, part of the reason why that is mostly a valid statement is because I do want to open that dialogue, and do believe that people can change their perspectives -- but its also proof that it doesn't always work.

lolife67 posted...

What you seem to be missing is that the bigots are not willing to engage in good faith discussion. Why are you ignoring that part?

The word "bigot" isn't a neat little box. All bigotry sucks but, there are plenty of folks that overcome their bigotry.

I honestly believe that alot of straight males in their thirties and forties who do now support the Gay Community and advocate for Gay Rights were probably someone what bigoted when in their youth.

It was a different time in the 90's, the way the South Park kids act and behave is actually a pretty good indicator on how life was back then -- yet dare I say MOST of them (and that is a broad statement, and perhaps incorrect opinion of mine) overcame that prejudice as they gained more life experience.

But certainly there are folks who wont engage in that discussion, I realize that. You don't have to reach everyone, but you definitely can reach a lot.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Most people who hate people for their sexuality are not willing to engage in honest discussion.

Not online. But in person, they are way more open to it. But regardless you don't need all of them, just some of them to change their perspective. It all adds up.

Umbreon posted...

The board you abandoned ages ago.

Admittedly part of that was a stalker problem

Yea, I was trying to delete that thing, but the actual owner was on like a year long purge. So, I just left it. Good thing I didn't delete it, now it has some purpose.

Its @Dynedux btw (just checked)

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Lmao this guy so clearly has some vested interest in Fandom destroying this site

I think you do need to "tear down" to "rebuild" -- I don't think Fandom will destroy GameFaqs. I think they are going to update it, modernize it, and begin appealing a new, younger, more mainstream audience. Pretty much what this site use to be around 2010-2013.

Will it work. IDK. But I do recognize the effort, and am along for the ride.

ADW posted...

So you having to hide and do your own thing and hope all the discussion there falls under your rules to avoid detection and nuking means all of this is ok?

I should clarify that I'm actually not board owner. Just a "leader" -- I eventually gave up on that board when it became apparent folks were going to continue using the sex board for dating advice, and self-improvement advice. But maybe it get can get some use now.

Umbreon posted...

@STEROLIZER Still believe Fandom is good for the site?

Yes -- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1567-adulting

Thats the board I created a while ago, when I wanted a place to go to in order to talk about issues relating to marriage, parenthood, and other mundane adult stuff. Pretty much everything the Sex board was, but without the "horny posting" which I never participated in, nor liked in the first place.

I always used the board as more of a means to discuss relationships, self improvement, and other issues regarding societal structure and so on and so forth.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

STERO really believes that conservatives who hate LGBT people can just be talked down from their stances lmao

I do believe its possible to get people to change their positions and points of views on pretty much anything through a steady dialogue.

I think ideally thats how you rid the world of the issues that plague it, through education and a willingness to engage in discussion.

I know people whove been completely disowned after coming out. These people will disown THEIR OWN CHILDREN because they come out as gay or trans.

Yea, and thats not cool. When that happens it breaks my heart. There will always be people whose minds cant be changed, and there comes a time from a relationship standpoint where you need to cut them out of your life.

But in general people do indeed flip flop their positions on things I sincerely believe its worth a try.

Who posted?

Murphiroth posted...

Stero spinning into his "whine about GameFAQs users being shut ins" cycle is hilarious

Glad to see that Ive got some fans.

Umbreon posted...

But is that because you realize that transphobia is an inexcusable trait and there's no point trying to emphasize with people practicing it...

Or because you're afraid of getting in trouble for speaking your mind?

Because both are significantly different conclusions.

I still believe in hearing conservatives out, and then trying to deconstruct their arguments and convert them over to my perspectiveabsolutely.

I definitely think that alot of people who are transphobic wouldnt be if someone would just have a polite and steady dialogue with them.

Its just that for a lot of them, nobody has ever tried. Ive actually been able to do this a couple of times with old friends from high school, teammates at my gyn, and even my mother.

But to try and acknowledge the other sides viewpoints in writing for the purpose of a discussion on GameFaqs then you are technically going to be submitting transphobia. Regardless of intent, and that could be considered offensive. So not going to do that.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

This translates to: What i want to say is going to get me banned

He asked me to try and defend transphobia from a conservative pov. Im not doing that.

We were discussing being able to put yourselves in other peoples shoes and see things from their PoV so you can better deconstruct their arguments and eventually change their mindset and bring them over to your own PoV.

I still agree with that practice in theory but homie found a surefire example of where I cant actually do that.

Well Done. I concede.

TheLiarParadox posted...

He's friends and associates with some of the MMA world's more outspoken transphobes. He won't be able to speak candidly on this.

FTR I denounce Jake Shields, and everything he posts on Twitter.

He did use to be one of my mma coaches back in the day, but I dont agree or support anything he says on Twitter whatsoever. Also havent even seen the guy since before covid. He moved out of San Francisco and went to Las Vegas.

lolife67 posted...

Ok. Tell me the nuance between the side that thinks being trans is a mental illness and not a legitimate gender identity?

Bro, you gotta choose a different topic. Its not safe for either of us to go in that direction regardless of our intent fandom just released that statement and all.

lolife67 posted...

Right! We could try actually holding them accountable with a zero tolerance policy but the issue is that Democrats, as a whole, aren't really progressive.

What?

lolife67 posted...

You are aware that every generation is more progressive than the previous one, right?

I certainly use to believe that. Then Trump took office.

Time and history are on our side, so you're "fears" are unfounded and, again, show you really don't know what you're talking about.

It might be on our side. Thats true, but like, Im not really willing to let them take office again in the meantime. It makes sense just to try and appeal to those swing voters and attempt to dent their political power by influencing their current userbase to ease closer and closer to the the middle

lolife67 posted...

Who said they can't cross over? Nobody's blocking that except for themselves. And if others decide to side with them then screw them too. Why do you so desperately want to be friends with someone who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire?

I think we should actively campaign to try and get them to swing over. That involves being able to put the shoe on the other foot sotospeak, and try to understand their side of the issue. Thats the dialogue we need, and thats where the nuance lies. Figure out the nuance, and swing them over.

TheGoldenEel posted...

man how tf can somebody be aware who bassnectar is and not know what went down with him

I dont actually follow musician, like news and stuff. I just hear a song I like and add it to the playlist.

Or in regard to my work life, I get exposed to these artists based on whos playing the party. Thats how I discovered things like Alesso, 3LAU, and Steve Aoki

Tyranthraxus posted...

To side with the people that want equality

But how do you convince the folks currently sided against it to suddenly make that change and jump over the line?

We ignore them? Just hope the younger generation advancing into voting age gives democracts the numbers necessary to not have to worry about swing voters?

havean776 posted...

Nope. We out number them by a lot. Every year we out number them by even more. They have to change or be changed. Repubs can't attract young voters because they have nothing to offer so instead they despratly try to restrict thier voting, that won't work forever.

We do not need them.

So the goal is to just age them out, and encourage younger voters to vote?

Are there any studies done regarding the children of republican families voting democract when they advance into voting age?

I am generally curious. Because that would mean social media is influencing the younger generation in spite of their environment.

I use to argue this (in person, never online) back before Trump took office. But once he did I kind of let it die out.

lolife67 posted...

Not sure. But kicking the ball further down the field certainly isn't it. All that does is preserve an imperfect system that only continues to harm marginalized groups.

If it were me, I say we draw a line in the sand and stop trying to act like the other side actually has any merit. There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with them. We continue to call them out for exactly what they are.

But then how do you keep them out of power? We have elections and we have to win the vote. But if draw the line and refuse to let them cross over, but the other side doesnt comply and they start working to encourage people hop over the line

lolife67 posted...

Exactly! There's no middle ground between those that want true equality/equity and those that don't. Thinking there is comes off as incredibly stupid.

So whats the solution?

Powdered_Toast posted...

Hornyposting is banned sitewide, it doesn't matter where you post it.

Uhh. I think they are way more lenient on the sex board

AnsestralRecall posted...

or you force them to have healthcare because they don't get to prevent progress

But you can only do that if the law is voted on and passed, and you need them to help you pass that policy

lolife67 posted...

Bro, the only reason the South was willing to talk was due to losing the war. Had the North simply continued to talk without any escalation then nothing would've changed. Same with the Civil Rights movement. So you don't know what you're talking about.

You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take.

You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime.

LOL, Im watch this movie on Netflix right now and this scene literally just popped on as I was browsing this topic

https://youtu.be/3XM1NVWLT30?si=iLC0zrB4VeGLt21w

LonelyStoner posted...

I was big into dubstep in the 2010s. The fallout from Bassnectar being a proven groomer (I had my suspicions from the get go) was sad. I know so many people who paid big money to have their tattoos covered up after that one. And now hes playing again.

bro. You just ruined him for. That sucks. I still have him in my playlist

WingsOfGood posted...

why does it matter?

Its so toxic. People use to share the cool things they did, and meet up with other users to go and do cool stuff.

I use to host a EVO house in Vegas for Board 208. I got that same crew together for the first Twitch-Con. We need to go back ti that vibe.

Back when folks could post a photo of themselves with Stan Lee at a convention and folks would be like thats super cool, congratulations last time I tried posting I was at ComicCon a bunch of folks just came in and died on the hill that everyone at the convention is a smelly loser and so was I for being there.

TheGoldenEel posted...

I remember that topic, and I believe the vibe was that the event you were at was really lame and its lame to take videos of a party to prove to CE youre cool

Sure, whatever. Thats why I stopped.

However, I still got people to this day who will die on the hill that I wasnt there

Some people are so offended by other people doing cool things theyll head cannon themselves into thinking that theyre actually the cool ones for NOT doing anything because braggarts bad.

But seriously, these communities use to not be so toxic.

LonelyStoner posted...

Makes sense. Especially with a DJ that wears a novelty head. (Looking at you Deadmaus and Marshmello)

Shit it actually was Marshmello for that particular topic, the DeadMau one was from NYC a few months before.

creativerealms posted...

One side wants free health care and the other side wants to take healthcare away. They are the same.

They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people

lolife67 posted...

This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights.

The war was started via a dialogue, and the end of the war was resolved via a dialogue and how the country moved forward from that point on required a lot of dialogue.

Besides in this day and age do we really prefer war over diplomacy?

Deej posted...

Is that what happened?

Of course it is. Everytime a president of a different political party is elected its because they got more votes than the competition.

So if the previous president was republican and the new one is democrat then it means that there were more democratic voters this election than there was the prior election.

Swing voters are a thing right? People who flip-flop back and forth. Those are the ones that win elections and you dont nab them by pointing a finger and screaming at them.

bsp77 posted...

He has posted enough proof. Quit shitposting

I tried making some posts about cool parties I was at like two or three years ago. I think I made a topic every week for like a month, and no matter how many photos I posted people would continue to sleuth and try to prove I wasnt actually there.

I was in the VIP of a Deadmau party for a crypto event, and someone noticed the sign had the previous years date on it. So everyone tried to use that as proof that I wasnt really there.

I then made a video of myself and my buddy picking up said sign on the bar, and asking the bartender why it had the wrong date, and he said they had them in storage from the previous years conference.

Video got me suspended because their was swearing in the video, and then later I got hit for one of the photos of the club because some of the artwork was offensive and people in the topic bragged about marking it.

CE just really doesnt like braggarts it didnt use to be like that. You use to be able to post photos of yourself at E3 or ComicCon and folks would be super interested and excited. They would encourage to go take photos of particular booths, or talks.

Two summers ago when so went to ComicCon I was suspended for trying to share my experiences. I dont actually remember what exactly got hit, but the general vibe of the topic was that of spite and disgust for trying to brag about being there.

Dakimakura posted...

Look, it is one of those bad faith posters DToast tried to warn us about.

I am deathly serious. This place has gotten a little too introverted for its own good. Its not very conducive to user growth.

Especially if Fandom has any intent on running any paid marketing campaigns for user aquisitionbecause a big chunk of that userbase is going to come from traditional social media like Facebook & Instagram.

In which case, it cant be so taboo when it comes to the vibe and culture of GameFaqs to talk about your accomplishments and daily life.

The quarantine actually helps keep that type of atmosphere contained to just this one forum, so that type of introverted energy doesnt leak into the gaming boards where these new users are getting dropped off at.

LonelyStoner posted...

Hes not simply talking positively about his life. Ive seen this behavior in many people I know irl and Ive been guilty of it at times.

There was once a time where people on GameFaqs could post photos of them at conventions or concerts and actually meet up with other GameFaq users. Nowadays if you do that people will label you a braggart and start their hate train.

This place became beyond introverted during the post covid era. Like, internet communities always leaned introvertbut its gotten fairly radicalized here on CE in the past couple of years.

RobertMuldoon posted...

A stupid thing to get in trouble for, but he comes off as a braggart a lot of times.

Well on CE you could make a topic about celebrating your one year aniversary with your wife and people will tag you as a braggart

VeggetaX posted...

What's your beef with him?

Jeff often goes outside and does cool things. That can be triggering to some people.

EPR-radar posted...

Republicans have been all in on total partisan warfare at least since Gingrich made it official in 1994. That's 30 fucking years ago. How much longer is everyone else supposed to put up with their crap?

You dont. You continue the dialogue and slowly bring people over the line, like by little, but by bit.

It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected.

It should have been pretty easy to get him out, because he was incompetent. But people dug in their heels and screamed louder. So people dug in their heels and completely doubled down on Trump.

Thank god he was so incompetent that enough folks did leap back over the line in spite of many voices on the left doing everything within their power to basically scream stay on your side of the line, we dont want you over here

But the truth is that we did want them over here. Because we needed their votes to get Trump out of office. Now we are in a position where we are screaming at them to get back to their side of the line, and they actually might. Which is not what we want, cuz losing votes to the other side is not conducive to getting reelected.

Its just common sense. Also this is the most politics Ive ever discussed on GameFaqs. I like this new quarantine, it feels way more safe to be able to have these discussions than it did in the past.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Imagine this argument for historical certain issues.
Civil rights for Black people? Or total segregation?
Women's voting rights?
Gay marriage?

Stero: Everything in moderation.

We were able to conquer those issues by having that dialogue. In all if those cases, being able to communicate with the entirety of the human race allowed us to gain enough support to fix those issues, or at least get in the right path to fixing those atrocities.

If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did.

You dont want to motivate the opposition to just dig in their heels.

EPR-radar posted...

Yes, all of them, because everyone that votes for Republicans is voting for subordination of women etc.

Then how do you change that? The best way to defeat such a party is to steal their voters. Thats not done by refusing to have a dialogue, or by insulting them and thus giving them reasons to stay on their side of the line.

EPR-radar posted...

It's not difficult to understand where Republicans are coming from. The issue is that what they want is simply unacceptable, scapegoating of minorities for political gain and the subordination of women being just two items on a very long list, all so that the filthy rich can get marginally richer at everyone else's expense.

Not all of them. You gotta talk to them about the nuance if you want that slightly right leaning person to eventually switch over to slightly left and vote accordingly.

Refusing to have the dialogue or pigeonholing them into a box with the worst of the worst only widens the divide. It doesnt lead to any meaningful change.

Being radical in anything isnt very beneficial and that goes for everything including politics. Everything is better with nuance for moderation.

Its common sense that people are complicated creatures that will never fit tightly into any particular box, and I always found it pretty preposterous that both sides is quoted like some sort of damning revelation to discredit a persons opinion or character.

It doesnt make sense to me. Ive always been of the belief that true intelligence is the ability to step out of ones box and being able to understand another persons perspective you dont have to agree with it, but you can at least make an attempt to understand it by placing yourself in their shoes.

That ability to see beyond ones own individual beliefs and moral compass is typically how discussions that lead to drastic change for the benefit of all humanity comes to be. At no point in the existence of humanity have we ever rid ourselves of a problem that plagues humanity by simply refusing to have a dialogue. It just doesnt work.

Even in the moments where change did mostly happen by force or the sheer unbeatable will of a collective community united through a single beliefdid it come from refusing to have a dialogue.

Problems dont solve themselves. In that regard I dont understand the both sides statement being used as a means of insulting or discrediting someone.

It just seems like something thats blurted out by people who are too radicalized in either direction of the political spectrum as an excuse to stay firm in their current positions and not think outside the box. Or at worst, its used in bad faith as a means to gaslight or troll.

Even if you dont have why intention of changing ones stance, its still best communication practices to try and see all sides of every issue because if you dont, then nothing happens. Things just remain the same.

Or at least thats my two cents on the matter. But what do I know. Im just some guy.

GrandConjuraton posted...

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Everyone has flaws, but its confidence in oneself to overcome those flaws, improve upon one's deficiencies, and rise to the top in spite of these things that are conducive of real world success.

Some people watch others achieve this by overcompensating for their flaws, or refusing to acknowledge them, and incorrectly categorize the behavior as arrogance, ignorance, or a combination of both -- but in reality people aren't trying to lie to themselves about their flaws, they are are just trying to rise above them.

For instance, I get accused of this alot. But I am just as flawed as everyone else. I just don't see the point on dwelling on those flaws. Hollwood Jeff, @Kylo_Ren_ , and some others get accused of "pretending to be flawless" all the time. But they aren't, and if you actually care to ask them, they'll admit their flaws.

Its just that unless they have a reason to address them, why would they...and honestly why would anybody else?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com./user.php?db=.0.user=Heartomaton

Any update on Heato, was that before or after the quarantine?

I guess I don't agree w/ the Kate Hudson topic. It was just Jeff explaining about something interesting that happened in his life. But, I mean, at least it sets a precedent. We now know exactly where the line is. In a way Hollywood Jeff died for our sins.

But seriously guys, there is a Sex Board for a reason. Just use that. What is the point of even risking it.

Now granted the Sex board is mostly for relationship advice, and really weird horny posting isn't allowed -- but the line isn't so thin over there.

Pikachuchupika posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com./user.php?db=.0.user=jeffhardyb0yz

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com./user.php?db=.0.user=Jeffhardyboyz <-- better than this one at least