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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 6:12:16 PM
#215
UltimaterializerX posted...
Sheep I believe, which actually does make me feel better about BCT too because one vanilla would have been so stupid. This lines up with his vibes, too.
I was actually more inclined to avoid claiming once you brought up the one vanilla thing, because I figured two vanillas was still a little low and Lea had a good chance of being one (especially after Ctes confirmed he was not vanilla).

I do think this confirms Lea as power, so if Peaf has any time and can even skim DTC today, that'd be excellent. Not like we need to hold it back for another investigator's results later on.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 6:08:10 PM
#212
Hmm. Is Blade the sorta host who would hate any random aspect to a role?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 6:01:18 PM
#198
and here I was specifically covering for Ctes because I thought it was 50/50 him being investigation

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 6:00:47 PM
#197
oh that's lame. Lea probably the strong role then

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 6:00:02 PM
#195
Vanillish, Vanilla

Didn't claim because there has surely got to be a strong power role unclaimed and it's either Lea or Ctes, wanted to draw a shot or a block because I don't think there's a ton of other good targets and, as I said, balance looks like there's one unclaimed strong power.

Also, I very specifically did not claim "not-vanilla" at any point, despite what FD's chart might say. I did soft power very strongly!

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 5:57:46 PM
#192
also for the record I am not going to be around at EoD and would have been far more vocal in my opposition if the votals weren't so lame as to make me a potential convenient distraction

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 5:56:10 PM
#189
Yeah, same time at xx:00 is probably sensible, let me know before xx:59 if you end up choosing not to.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 5:54:08 PM
#185
Ah.

I would encourage you not to claim unless you think it's absolutely necessary, Ctes, but if you want to then I'll claim at that same time.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 5:53:03 PM
#184
UltimaterializerX posted...
Occulams Razor, BCT is town.
I don't entirely disagree with the conclusion but I think Occulam's Razor is far more applicable to the FD problem today.

And I'm not claiming today, sorry. No benefit from it and I don't think either me or Ctes should reasonably be up for lynch, nor do I think any info I provide right now would help us decide on a better one.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 5:40:54 PM
#165
Should probably put this here for insurance then: Peaf, if I die before you use your ability, can you wait until at least ~7pm BST at the start of D4, so I will definitely have time to see and post in DTC?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 5:04:48 PM
#116
I would like to know where more people are planning on putting their vote. I don't like that so many are up in the air this late.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 4:53:36 PM
#108
Forceful_Dragon posted...
It could be because they are happy with anyone who has a vote or two dying.

It could be because they know at the end of the day everyone is just going to gravitate towards me because they "have to" so they aren't worried. Not a single person is going to get sussed for voting me today even after I flip town so they aren't worried about it.
Do you think both BCT and Wallz are also Town?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 3:36:55 PM
#58
okay cool but there are currently two people voting FD and righteously complaining about people playing badly postgame unfortunately does not count as a win or we would all have flawless record

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 3:33:41 PM
#54
Red, please take a step back. I want FD lynched almost as much as you and I agree with most of what you're saying but I don't think that approach is gonna win anyone over.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 3:28:30 PM
#47
To draw upon gut and feelings, this is giving incredibly strong grumpy town red who is convinced he is right vibes

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 3:19:51 PM
#43
Also, to address your list individually, IGCD I've not seen anything from Isquen that makes me think he's Scum, Wallz has looked poor and is an okay option but I'd rather resolve the FD situation (and, again, killing a protection claim that's likely to self-resolve if true is probably a poor idea when we have what's essentially a guilty scan to resolve), and BCT I am... mixed on? But his play definitely matches up with being a little more chill, and his detachment is also rather characteristic of his Vanilla games.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 3:12:31 PM
#38
I'm fine with FD based on play and a lot of y'all probably know how much I tend to operate on gut and vibes sometimes. But in this situation I think we need to check the boxes and resolve what is the only known explanation for no scum kill, and to do that we need to lynch FD. I am happy to consider what to do if he flips Town and that's actively useful, I'm not ruling out that we're missing something, but ultimately there are so many things going against FD in terms of actions. Lynching the most powerful claimed role left at this stage instead is shooting ourself in the foot.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 2:42:43 PM
#31
BlueCrystalTear posted...
Yeah this is what doesn't make sense to me, and that could be why Isquen is scum. He could be making shit up that is based on what other scum roles have, but IDK what those would be. If they knew FD went nowhere and had no visitors, they could get away with Isquen making a fake claim like that.

But if Isquen is telling the truth, then someone else is the scum RB.

So maybe Isquen is the proper lynch if that's gonna help us solve the game. He could be scum but that also gives us a ton of info, and since we've killed two scum already we shouldn't be in any MYLO/LYLO types of trouble.
Are you so entirely 100% certain that FD is Town that it's worth lynching the claimed neighbour over our only strong protection claim? I don't see why ScumIsquen tries to go 1 for 1 here - unforced 1 for 1s are incredibly rare for scum to try, especially when they're losing, and generally have a poor success rate unless you're a top tier player. I cannot imagine him having the time or the desire to come into a day looking for a deathmatch as Scum.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse
Sheep007
10/12/23 2:24:21 PM
#25
Those sure are votals, eh?

BlueCrystalTear posted...
I honestly think Isquen or Red is the lynch that tells us the most right now.
We already know Red is not Mafia aligned. Lynching him tells us nothing new about the gamestate beyond whether Red is an SK (which is self-resolving to some extent) and I firmly disbelieve.

Where did the extra roleblock come from, if Isquen is Scum roleblocker? Why would he risk claiming to have blocked someone he didn't?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 8:14:26 AM
#305
PeaceFrog posted...
Oh duh. I forgot that part.

Ok so only scum will know I'm honest about Lea's role, and it is pretty much impossible that any of the claims we see today were actually lea's.
Yes, essentially. Which is making me a little less confident that Wallz is scum because otherwise protection seems a little sparse for the amount of roles we know exist that either kill or interact with kills.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 7:54:58 AM
#299
PeaceFrog posted...
If scum also has a role scan that they used on lea n1, there could very easily be a fake claim with her role on it, if we're going to role meta and assume that scum wasn't told her role from the sbell kill
"Additionally, anyone who attempted to target them that night will be told their action failed."

So I assume scum also do not get to know even with a scan

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 7:46:12 AM
#295
PeaceFrog posted...
He claimed on like t1pg2 iirc
Ah, I mean I don't think Ctes feels the need to claim Vanilla here to defend BCT. Not a ton of value in it imo.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 7:41:34 AM
#291
UltimaterializerX posted...
It doesnt, no. And when Sheep and ctes inevitably both claim not-vanilla itll mean BCT is the only vanilla claim. I know the guy is unlucky but being the only vanilla in an 18 player game is impossible.

Or to flip the chessboard around if he were town one of them would have claimed vanilla by now.
What about Lea's hidden role? I think there's a decent chance Lea was Vanilla and I wouldn't be shocked if Ctes is, either. I don't think BCT has been under sufficient pressure to warrant claiming vanilla in the current gamestate.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 7:28:24 AM
#289
PeaceFrog posted...
Janitors usually find out their target's role upon death, right? Even though sbell's flip didn't explicitly say "janitor" I've been operating this whole time thinking that scum would still know Lea's role.
"When the day comes up, the player will flip as having been killed the previous day in the game's timeline, but their role will not flip for anyone to see."

I assumed this "anyone to see" meant anyone?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 7:26:42 AM
#288
ctesjbuvf posted...
Usually it's pretty clear to everyone when there are redacted parts of flips though.
Oh, I meant more that I expected it has some functionality with another scum role that we just haven't seen. Although thinking about it some more, it's probably just a stylish strongman that also stops the dead player getting their role confirmed by a scan. Then again, Peaf's role exists (or at least I assume it does. Pretty hard to fake).

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/12/23 6:25:11 AM
#279
ctesjbuvf posted...
I am wondering about Peaf's role being able to learn Lea's role if true. Then SBell's kill is weird. It being essentially janitor to everyone is a nerf to scum. If Peaf is town this would be a further nerf to scum. Just some morning thoughts.
Yeah, I also found that interesting. I'm all but certain there's another function to SBell's role that's just not clear to us yet.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:37:40 PM
#237
changmas posted...
i mean, maybe i've just had the wool pulled over my eyes because he's a fairly convincing neighbor but something about this FD lynch isn't quite sitting right with me

the vibes are off
Can you pinpoint exactly what it is? Is it just the fact that FD has been putting in a good shift as a neighbour? Or is it because there's relatively little pushback against it (which is something I've also been considering)? Or some third more sinister thing?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:35:55 PM
#235
Also, Ctes' read list is very good. Almost exactly mine if you replace our names. Town points for him.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:34:39 PM
#232
PeaceFrog posted...
I feel like I've seen that excuse before, Sheep :)
I've made plenty of excuses here, you'll have to be specific as to which one you mean!

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TopicBoard 8 Ranks the Pokemon - Gen 8
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:17:14 PM
#214
Aw, Dottler is pretty great, and Stonjourner is perfectly goofy. Morgrem and Drizzle are ugly though so glad they're out. Hoping for more of those ugly-ass starters and legends to drop soon, because the rest of the dex is solid.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:15:26 PM
#227
Do you have an active case against Ctes, Wallz? Or is it simply PoE?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:12:49 PM
#224
Red doesn't generally go this hard as Scum, at least not in the same pattern. Red is grumpy early, and if he doesn't get killed he snaps at some point and starts solving very accurately. He's probably the most consistent game solver on the board and I am highly confident this is Town Red. He doesn't enjoy being scum that much - he was scum in Smash Mafia, they were winning, and he hadn't put half as much into it as this game.

wallmasterz posted...
Ctes and sheep should claim imo. If either one is scum, its helping them to let them avoid claiming.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think an extra night of uncertainty for scum outweighs me claiming even if it gets Ctes to claim. I'll happily same time with him D4 to at least give a chance of catching him on contradictory information

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 6:24:55 PM
#212
Leafeon13N posted...
I'm not a fan of claiming if nothing you have would change the view on any interaction.
Cool. I will be here tomorrow a lil more if people have anything else to ask me, but I'm happy for day to end whenever y'all so choose.

##Vote: FD

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!
Sheep007
10/11/23 6:20:48 PM
#208
Hey, Red, I'm gonna sheep (heh) you a lil bit here: I'm pretty happy with FD as Scum right now, occam's razor and all that - do you think there is a burning need for me and/or Ctes to claim today? I do not have anything that will change the lynch for today to provide, but if people find the claim necessary I can provide it.

Wallz claiming BG is interesting and I'm inclined to give him a chance to self-resolve, and he's the only other player I particularly had eyes on.

FD, I haven't really gotten chance to talk to you yet, but I'm wondering, do you have a PoE in place at this stage? And if you had full control of the lynch today, who would be in consideration?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 12:55:42 PM
#329
Leafeon13N posted...
Ulti let me throw you a bone.

I only got an extra shot because i hit scum.

Now sit down and chew on it in a corner.
Cool. If too many Town keep dying then we can kill Red but that's pretty evidently not a claim an SK can win with.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 12:47:11 PM
#320
I will be thoroughly shocked if Red is scum. Maybe SK, but this ain't scum Red.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 12:37:28 PM
#301
PeaceFrog posted...
Regardless of if fd thought he would be watched or tracked, what scum team after what befell Dumey on d2 would target a non Chang neighbor on n2? Unless Dumey was not their only source of ninja.
Yeah, this is basically my thought process. I think targeting FD in the first place is weird let alone after the Corrik catch. Scum probably wants to leave the neighbours be if they can't just kill Chang, no?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 12:28:46 PM
#285
htaeD posted...
I will also be honest and say I have no idea what Red is making a big deal out of
FD was blocked (if we believe Isquen). There was no scum kill last night. Most reasonable solution is that FD did the kill.

I kinda agree, honestly? It just seems the simplest answer with the info on the board.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:27:57 AM
#88
UltimaterializerX posted...
Wallz was all over SBell topic 1, and all evidence suggests SBell was their extra kill.

Does Scum Wallz bus the teams extra kill on day 1? I dont see it.
I think this is giving Wallz too much credit. Go back and read it again. He was done with SBell pretty much by page four of the first topic, certainly not enough weight behind it for me to find that compelling. It was actually the reason I felt good about him in the first place when skimming as a spectator! His end of D1 onwards is far more important to me - any critical analysis went completely awol the second his actions were meaningful.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:23:49 AM
#86
htaeD posted...
Oh and did Plum take down his account before or after Crescent asked for and got a 2nd replace?
Plum got suspended a couple hours before, but I think going too deep on it is dirty meta and unlikely to be useful regardless.

Same timing from BCT and Isquen is probably a good idea, if both are happy to do so. They both have claims out there at this stage, so I think it's acceptable. Although I am inclined to assume Isquen just blocked BCT given Scum blocker probably isn't targeting a vanilla claim, which I believe BCT put forwards early on?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:19:29 AM
#81
Leafeon13N posted...
I think the play is probably kill ctes.

But I also want to know who isquen targeted.
Is Wallz a good option to you, today? And if we somehow cleared both Wallz and Ctes in one fell swoop, where would you look next?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:16:06 AM
#78
Oh, and reading Dumey's flip properly, BCT is kinda right in the first post of today and there is likely either a multi-shot vig or an SK in this game. I'm also chill with that explanation for Plum's death, but don't see a ton of value in discussing this much further right now.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:12:11 AM
#77
wallmasterz posted...
Sheep, what makes Red and Death on that tier for you? I get IGCD due to his roleblocked claim, but Im not sure why on the other two.
I just think both have looked like Town tbh, don't think Death is gonna get lynched for a long time and Red if Town is easily the best solver in the game and someone Scum need to take down soon rather than shots in the dark.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 7:11:00 AM
#76
I didn't realise Chang was the one who scanned Dumey when posting earlier so I feel a bit silly saying he looks good from this topic >_>

ctesjbuvf posted... Really? I thought MZero was by far and away the most likely guess.
I assumed I would be replacing Plum as well after he decided to nuke his account. Think any talk of either dying to try and kill me was a joke though, it was confirmed that I replaced MZero about five minutes after I volunteered to replace if anyone is really that scared of me.

If Abacus voted in any way other than how he did, I'd be practically confirming his slot already. Still would be a weird way to start the day voting a scummate, so minor town points for Isquen. The roleblocking stuff is making me a tad wary but I'm going to put my focus elsewhere until the latter stages of today.

Red is probably just town, need a bit more from him to be sure.

My take on Wallz was simply that he looked too relaxed for his scum game. I think it markedly improved last time out, but I was thinking that it's been a while so there might be some rust. However, after reading past the first few pages of topic one... yea okay I see the problem everyone else is having. Then the vote. It feels so incongruous with the day. Sultan literally claimed power and Wallz hasn't even mentioned him once in the topic where he votes him. The only mention I could find full stop was #218 t1. And then he goes back to discussing MZero for the exact same things Sultan was doing, then focuses on MZero at the end of the day over the person he's going to choose to vote? It's not like there was potential for a special either, the game was pretty dead. It's such a wet blanket of a vote and I don't even see the thought process behind saving FD to feel better about it. He's actively been ignoring Sultan up to that point, as well. His actions were somewhere between sleepwalking to a Town lynch or actively standing by and hoping it happens, and none of his activity is nearly as thoughtful as I know he's capable of as Town.

For people who think Wallz is Scum, do you also think FD is Scum for that EoD?

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 6:58:56 AM
#73
What's weird about the Plum kill, Ctes? The only better option I can see is Chang and he was an obvious protection choice. Red, Death and IGCD are probably on that tier below Chang, along with Plum, and I wouldn't have found it strange if any of those died.

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TopicBlade Mafia 5 Section 4 Article 3
Sheep007
10/11/23 4:13:51 AM
#67
I have barely skimmed this game and am gonna be busy for a few hours, so bear with me while I catch up. I read the first two topics as they were coming, briefly, and I remember liking both Death and Wallz. Chang also seems pretty clean from this topic alone. Expect an analysis of sorts soon.

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TopicThe B8 Mafia Hosting Queue, Que, Cue, Cueue
Sheep007
10/10/23 5:48:00 PM
#347
Accounts dropping like flies huh

I'll replace in if still needed and there are 0 other options but expect relatively low activity

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TopicBoard 8 Ranks the Pokemon - Gen 8
Sheep007
10/10/23 1:44:38 PM
#93
andylt posted...
I can only assume you would have had Wooloo/Dubwool as 1/2
Wooloo woulda been third but Dubwool is unfortunately a regression to mid-tier.

I did not realise Carkol had that face. Guess that's what I get for barely touching the actual games since 2013.

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TopicBoard 8 Ranks the Pokemon - Gen 8
Sheep007
10/10/23 1:13:40 PM
#80
Shit, forgot to do this. Looks like there were enough participants that my individual scores wouldn't have changed much, but Arrokuda deserved better and Indeedee would be cool if Pokemon actually had the space to explore what it tries to pass off as lore.

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TopicFill in the Blank 69: Nice ___!
Sheep007
10/07/23 7:56:45 PM
#77
Hbthebattle posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJO0n1Wqjg

this video specifically

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