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| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 2:23:56 PM #182 | Capn Circus posted...
No they don't. You're doing the same thing those people do with regards to racism and the right, but you're too biased to see. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 2:15:26 PM #179 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...No they don't. And I don't see anything that claims all anti-government attacks are right-wing. But a portion of right-wing attacks are anti-government in nature, yes. But those would be left-wing, anti-government extremists and wouldn't be called right-wing. Why are you making up shit? They exist, and are seeing a rise if anything, but they are a much smaller group than either Islamic or right-wing extremists. Anti-government being a motivation for some right-wingers =/= anti-government being considered inherently right-wing. Anarchy is not only left-wing and being anti-government does not necessarily make you an anarchist. You might just hate current government whereas anarchist (on both ends of the spectrum) like no government at all. You've seriously never seen those crazy conservative types that hate the government? It's just some recent made-up spin to disown Antifa? --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:38:47 PM #158 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...People like them just scream for blood, walk around with torches and guns, and commit more terrorism than anyone else in America. No they don't. And I don't see anything that claims all anti-government attacks are right-wing. But a portion of right-wing attacks are anti-government in nature, yes. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:31:26 PM #140 | Mal_Fet posted... That_Happened posted... 1 to 0. Antifa doesn't hold rallies. Wasn't that the thing people hated about them? That they show up uninvited and cause trouble? --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:28:47 PM #132 | Mal_Fet posted... That_Happened posted...No, the KKK storms public parks when their communities vote to remove statues of losers. People like them just scream for blood, walk around with torches and guns, and commit more terrorism than anyone else in America. Also, there were some pretty cool peaceful protests in the Third Reich. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:23:04 PM #121 | Mal_Fet posted... Horus_Leftfield posted...Mal_Fet posted...That_Happened posted...weapon_d00d816 posted...That's another one the left keeps trying to turn around to pretend it's just as bad on the other side: "triggered". Bernie Bros are the most prolific terrorists in America since 9/11? --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:21:55 PM #117 | Mal_Fet posted... That_Happened posted...Maybe the conservatives could use some counseling, too. They should do the right thing and pass laws to limit dealing with those they disagree with. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:20:24 PM #113 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...weapon_d00d816 posted...That's another one the left keeps trying to turn around to pretend it's just as bad on the other side: "triggered". You're the one that doesn't believe in that. You spin so fast that you take flight to defend "the right" while generalizing "the left" and blaming them for everything and saying they're dying. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:16:37 PM #106 | weapon_d00d816 posted... That's another one the left keeps trying to turn around to pretend it's just as bad on the other side: "triggered". Hey now. Many sides do good and bad things in America. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:12:28 PM #94 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...I just don't get what you want people to say, Mal. Berkeley is being silly and so are you. Thankfully, people like neither of you are the average person Oh so now major news networks matter? The logic is that you are silly because you are a hypocrite. You'll spin and downplay literally everything that Trump and the Republican government do (Don't But Obama. I don't care about Obama), and criticize the media and people for reacting negatively. You know, because SJWs getting upset by a speaker at their school is a bigger issue than the operation of our government. Look at those liberal priorities you got there. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:04:41 PM #73 | weapon_d00d816 posted... It's really embarrassing how the left tries to turn the whole "special snowflake" and "safe space" thing around on the right to the point of using it more than they do, despite it still applying so much more to left leaners, particularly on college campuses. They like to pin it on Christian conservatives and such for basically every little thing, but then you have stuff like this on the left where people are actually psychologically damaged by opposing views. The left has literal safe spaces. This didn't arise from some generic exaggerative insult, it is an actual thing. And they are embarrassed enough by it to desperately paint it as a bipartisan extreme. Maybe both sides should stop being such triggered snowflakes then. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 1:03:55 PM #70 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...An entire half of the political spectrum consisting of a large collection of diverse views practiced by roughly half the country, Most of the country doesn't support white supremacy, actually. Or fascism. See? I can play the exaggeration game too. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:58:35 PM #57 | I just don't get what you want people to say, Mal. Berkeley is being silly and so are you. Thankfully, people like neither of you are the average person --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:49:31 PM #38 | Mal_Fet posted... Gotta love these lefties trying desperately to turn to tables here with weak-ass personal attacks. Look at this triggered snowflake. GG Trigglypuff, Doctor of Triggernometry. --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:48:47 PM #37 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted... An entire half of the political spectrum consisting of a large collection of diverse views practiced by roughly half the country, while a government fully run by the other half continues to be impotent and lose support, is a sinking ship? If that is the case, then the entire country is already a sinking ship and there is no avoiding our fate. --- |
| Topic | would you be opposed to the US using burning bulls for child sex traffickers? |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:30:52 PM #94 | Santorin posted... I'm not shocked to see all these sheltered first worlders crying that capital punishment is wrong. I am fully aware of how awful people can be. I still wouldn't even execute Hitler. --- |
| Topic | would you be opposed to the US using burning bulls for child sex traffickers? |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:28:30 PM #93 | Santorin posted... hockeybub89 posted...That is both barbaric and a form of capital punishment, so hell no would I be okay with it. Prison --- |
| Topic | Berkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:23:05 PM #2 | Mal_Fet posted...
The right? --- |
| Topic | would you be opposed to the US using burning bulls for child sex traffickers? |
| hockeybub89 09/12/17 12:20:48 PM #89 | That is both barbaric and a form of capital punishment, so hell no would I be okay with it. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/10/17 10:32:12 PM #206 | Mal_Fet posted... TrevorBlack79 posted...Mal_Fet posted...What were they fined for, again? Discrimination laws are. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/10/17 8:34:28 PM #201 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...But is there a human right to not be discriminated against for immutable characteristics? Under the law, certain groups of people can not be denied service due to certain characteristics. I believe sexual orientation and gender identity should be added to that federal protection rather than depend on local law. Do you consider it forced labor at gunpoint that a restaurant can't kick out women or white people without facing legal action? I'm sorry you think I'm virtue signaling just because I won't be the liberal you want me to be. You don't like "liberals" that want to end people's careers over having mean opinions, yet you want to call out my morality for not trying to do that. And a system that encourages discrimination? If people are protected, then it doesn't really matter if the bigots get donations. The victims will still be getting their services and/or a hefty paycheck. Everyone isn't going to start illegally discriminating just to take a shot at some sweet donations. The country isn't going to go bankrupt throwing all their money at supporting discriminatory businesses. That is ridiculous hypothetical to care about. For a man that hates liberals and SJWs, you sure do a lot of strawmanning and virtue signaling. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/10/17 3:25:29 PM #181 | Mal_Fet posted... But woe, there's no human right to have a business bake you a cake. And that's why using violence to force someone to bake a cake is obviously immoral. But is there a human right to not be discriminated against for immutable characteristics? That is the crux of the discrimination argument. Also, as you said, not all immoral things need to be illegal. I believe something that goes against your morals should be legal (not allowing people to discriminate). Mal_Fet posted... These laws don't exist in a vacuum. Look how much money there is to be made by people who claim victimhood by bad people. At worst, you may be encouraging more discrimination against gays by people who are willing to take advantage of the situation. Like I said. Don't really give a shit. You are trying to stir a fuck that I don't have to give. I can accept a few of those worst-case scenarios knowing consumers are legally protected against discrimination. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/10/17 3:07:01 PM #178 | You might have missed it, but I said I don't care if these people get money from donors. I don't care to end these people. I just care to not allow them to discriminate. I can sleep at night knowing that is much more fair to innocent consumers. And please stop already with the "at gunpoint" emotional ploy. It makes every law that isn't for rape or murder sound inherently wrong. Again, while technically true, it requires continually ignoring the law and then breaking another law at time of arrest. You could argue that almost everything in life is killing you if you extend that type of logic everywhere. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/10/17 2:54:35 PM #176 | Mal_Fet posted...
Not all states have a law against stores discriminating against gays --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/09/17 10:10:15 PM #165 | Mal_Fet posted... Post #152 I honestly don't care if dumbasses want to donate to people who discriminate. I just don't agree in government-sanctioned discrimination. They can be given $1 million by Jerry Falwell for all I care. As long as they have to provide their service to everyone who walks through that door during business hours, whatever. I really don't care to end these people's livelihoods or change their minds. I do think people should bake Nazi cakes if a paying customer asks. However, I don't think that should be explictly protected as political views are not immutable characteristics AND the bakers would only be refusing to make a specific graphic on a cake, not denying anyone business, provided these patrons are not endangering others. While I believe in elements of capitalism, it seem naive to think that the free market will always take care of itself. I would rather protect consumers from being treated second-class than hope anyone who could be discriminated against always lives somewhere where they can find a comparable business to go to instead. You pointer out these bakers got donations. Discrimination may pay in certain areas around the country. If even 1 person is treated lesser due to things beyond their control, then that is too many. I believe we have a moral responsibility to protect others from discrimination. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/09/17 6:42:14 PM #151 | Trying to argue against discrimination laws by saying "You don't have a right to get a cake from a specific baker" is like arguing against theft laws by saying "You don't have a right to own a PlayStation". No, those specific things aren't in law, but being denied those things are singular examples of larger issues that are specifically codified in the Constitution or other statutes. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/09/17 6:36:07 PM #150 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...You said punishments should fit the crime because of the 8th Amendment. You are also saying all laws need to be backed with threats of violence to be effective. So does that not mean any non-violent crime should be legal? Not baking a cake due to someone's immutable characteristics is seen as discrimination. Discrimination is considered wrong and breaking the law. What I want you to is explain to me how discrimination law is unjustifiable, but other non-violent law is. Remember, you said all laws need to be backed with the threat of violence AND that violence is unjustifiable if you aren't hurting anyone. So with that in mind, how can you support any law barring non-violent actions? --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/09/17 6:27:32 PM #147 | Mal_Fet posted... Most laws are justified. A lot aren't. Why do you keep acting like saying this law is terrible is equivalent to saying all laws are terrible? Quote where I said such a thing. You said punishments should fit the crime because of the 8th Amendment. You are also saying all laws need to be backed with threats of violence to be effective. So does that not mean any non-violent crime should be legal? Otherwise, people might potentially get guns pointed at them if they break the law for long enough, something you think is morally wrong. Or do you think the threat of violence is cool as long as it isn't for discrimination? Is the threat of violence justified for crimes like tax evasion, fraud, or hacking? If not, then it sounds like you disagree with them being illegal. If Yes, what is the fundamental difference between those and discrimination in your opinion? --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/09/17 1:10:03 PM #144 | Mal_Fet posted...
That was kind of my point. Do you think that is justified in every instance except discrimination? Because you say all laws are have to be backed by threat of violence, but you also said the punishment should fit the crime. So what other laws do you feel should be abolished? Or are you ok with the threat of violence in literally every other instance? Mal_Fet posted... What if you tell them you don't want to be arrested? People who resist arrest may get a gun pointed at them. It seems a little disingenuous to say "People are forced at gunpoint to follow laws" when it is really "If you break the law, continually ignore warnings to stop it or pay restitution, and then one day aggressively resist arrest, you might get a gun drawn on you." You're making a shitty emotional appeal by screaming about guns and government force. That might be a solid argument if you were an anarchist, but you're just worrying about discrimination laws and exaggerating to push your agenda. And since you want to be so technical, you would be having a gun drawn on you for breaking a different law and acting violent. So yeah, stick that in your pipe. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 9:44:31 PM #58 | Mal_Fet posted... And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified. I have. That is not the typical reaction. Can you link to some examples of people being held at gunpoint for discriminating, not paying fines, or otherwise non-violently breaking law? Now, do you think tax evasion should not be a crime because the government could eventually point at gun at you for not giving them money? What about refusing to pay alimony? White-collar crime? Piracy? Hacking? For the 10,000 time, theoretically, any broken law could eventually result in you having arms drawn against you. Are you against all those laws? And really, what is your solution if people do continually refuse to follow a law or pay the price for breaking one? Just keep giving them stern warnings until they get annoyed enough to pay up? Abolish all those laws? What? Mal_Fet posted... What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fine That has nothing to do with what you quoted. I was saying "the right to get a cake from a Christian baker" is a gross misrepresentation of what anti-discrimination proponents are for. It isn't about getting specific things from specific people. But to answer you, I imagine they would increase fines, try to take you to court, garnish your wages, do some other non-gun related things to you. If things get bad enough, maybe one day they will just finally come to arrest you. And, if you get aggressive and hostile, maybe they will point a gun at you during the arrest if you do certain things. That is a far cry from "the US government points guns at people when they say mean things to gay people". --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 8:40:19 PM #52 | Mal_Fet posted...
That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination. It is not about the right to do a specific thing. You'd probably have to dig through the fringiest of the fringe to find that argument. It's about whether you value businesses or consumers more and whether you think people should be able to be denied things over immutable characteristics. People also don't have a right to work a specific job at a specific company, but they have a right to not be turned away due to certain things about them. And remember: not being discriminated against is currently a legal right and many people consider it a human right. The burden is on people like you to make the argument to change that. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 8:35:43 PM #51 | Mal_Fet posted...
And I'm saying any crime could theoretically end in force if you ignore enough shit. Why do you care about the distant possibility enough to call it the punishment for discrimination only? How can you support any laws if any law can be punished by direct force? By your own logic, the punishment for all crimes is being held at gunpoint. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 7:51:01 PM #43 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this I don't base my support of laws on how people who break them will be treated if they are historically giant jackasses about it. Are you against any and all non-dangerous criminal and civil laws? I mean, someone might eventually get a gun pointed at them if they ignore all kinds of fines and court orders. Or is discrimination the only law you think the government could theoretically enforce with violence? --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 7:43:32 PM #40 | ModLogic posted... DonaldClinton posted..._Near_ posted...If the business is open to the public, they shouldn't be able to discriminate. They shouldn't be forced to make the cake though, just be shut down. Go ahead and try. You have that right as a consumer. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 7:41:22 PM #39 | Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this So are you an anarchist? A sovereign citizen? That could be the potential eventual reality of anyone who ignores the law long and hard enough. That is not even close to the norm in nonviolent crime. All laws must be bad since big bad government will just go fascist if you blow them off forever, no? --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 7:35:57 PM #30 | Mal_Fet posted... Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this You can make every law sound inherently bad if you go "Well if you ignore the law and all warnings for long enough, someone may potentially order you at gunpoint to do it". That is not the reality 99% of the time and is just a lame exaggeration. --- |
| Topic | Trump Sides with CHRISTIAN BAKER who REFUSED Service to a Gay Couple!! |
| hockeybub89 09/08/17 6:53:25 PM #5 | The God of my religion doesn't believe in cake shops. They literally don't exist. --- |
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