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UltimaterializerX posted...

When Theros first came out, this thing dominated until people realized mono black was just better: https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=373535

I mean, Thassa is also an indestructible unblockable 5/5 for 3 mana (...sometimes).

Just the scry effect on its own is a lot less exciting. For example:

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=457182

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=482872

(Ok bestiary has seen some play in green combo-ish decks like elves, but that's mostly for the draw a card text).

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LiquidOshawott posted...

What do people think of the soul fragment mechanic and the scry weapon? Also that legendary that shuffles the deck a certain way

Soul fragment: some of these cards are individually good. 1 mana 1/3 with upside--sure, that'll go into some decks. I don't think it's a new Jade mechanic or Libram mechanic where you just run every card that says "soul fragment" and call it a deck. I think you pick and choose a few cards that are good; maybe 2-3 cards that put fragments in your deck, and 1-2 payoff cards.

Scry weapon: scry isn't as good in hearthstone as it is in MtG. In MtG you put lands on the bottom, so half the time scry is like drawing an extra card. In Hearthstone it's a lot fuzzier. They've done a scry-like effect before with Sightless Watcher and Sightless Watcher wasn't really good enough to put into decks in the end. This card being a weapon is also probably going to be a deal-breaker in a few classes. I can see people testing it in like...highlander mage, which has a lot of 10 drops they don't want to draw early. Maybe some priest or control warlock decks will test it too. But being a weapon probably kills it in classes like warrior, rogue, demon hunter, hunter, shaman, etc. That said, I'm worried about this card in wild because it can break twig.

Lorekeeper Polkelt: Card is definitely scary. And not just because you can do goofy things in quest warlock where you guarantee a 0 cost malygos. When you have mana, putting all your high cost cards on top of your deck is just...good. Like if you play this in Arena you probably just win cause you get to topdeck boulderfist ogres five turns in a row. If you play this in standard demon hunter, you are topdecking Skull of Gul'dan for the next couple of turns--seems legit. Oh also, if you run primes this is pretty good at making you topdeck the prime. Seems good in Galakrond Rogue too. Guarantee drawing Galakrond, AND guarantee that the cards Galakrond draws get big discounts rather than drawing a bunch of preps and backstabs.

Honestly Polkelt feels like it could be a design mistake. If it's good and netdeckers start including it, then after they play this you know exactly how the game will play out for the rest of the game, as well as every card in their hand. If it's bad, ok fine whatever guess it's harmless...but magic the gathering design articles have talked about how they try to avoid this kind of design. Like...they won't make a card where you know the next 5 draws, cause then you can know that the game is won or lost and it kind-of plays itself.

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azuarc posted...

Wow, Glide. Lol. Draw 4 for 4, and oh yeah, wreck the hand of any control player while you're at it. The way to beat a demon hunter is obviously to play another aggro deck.

Thing is, DH tends to be very good against any aggro deck that tries to get board control. Zoo style decks. Demon Hunter hero power and cards like twin slice and eye beam and leper gnome are just so much board control, and weapons are always great tools in aggro mirrors.

Face Hunter loaded up with Leper Gnomes can beat Demon Hunter, cause they don't need board control, and DH takes face damage when they remove things. But there's already a problem where other Zoo style decks struggle when DH is a popular deck.

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skullbone posted...

Surprised no posts about the new cards revealed today.

Nothing too exciting but this card is auto include in every deck right?

Definitely not auto-include in every deck.

Spellburst is alreadly an iffy trigger on a lot of cards. An even more restricted spellburst that requires the spell to actually kill something is super restricted.

During deck construction, you need a lot of spells to include a spellburst card.

To include Kel'thuzad you need not just a lot of spells but specifically removal spells. And note that the spells need to remove a minion directlly. In Demon Hunter, for example, you have a lot of spells that kill something indirectly like Twin Slice, but those spells don't count for Kel'Thuzad since the spell itself doesn't do the killing. Similarly for stuff like Hex and Polymorph. Cool removal spell, but nothing technically died sooooo....

Honestly, Kel'Thuzad looks like Archivist Elysiana to me. You need to be a control deck in a value matchup with another control deck, and then the sick value you can get on turn 10 will matter.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

It is literally why people have quit by the millions and its the #1 thing cited when people call this game garbage.

I'm pretty sure that title goes to either Hong Kong or the overall price of the game.

I literally don't know anyone who's quit Hearthstone over RNG. Not a single person. Like...seriously can't think of a single friend who did.

I can think of about a dozen friends who quit after Blitzchung's suspension

And I know several others who quit over price/time investment. Like they didn't play for a few sets and then just felt their collections were way too far behind and they felt they couldn't be competitive anymore. Or they just hate doing dailies in games--don't do dailies in any of their other games either, and you're basically fucked as f2p if you don't do dailies in HS.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

That's not the point. Could you imagine if Magic the Gathering started putting 30 packs in a box instead of 36 but charged the same price to retailers?

I can imagine them changing the number of cards in an individual pack, because they have done that (as a short term thing).

They also, massively fiddled with set sizes (total number of unique cards per set).

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Camden posted...

I'm under the impression it only works if the minion remains alive.

Eh, ew, that shaman card is pretty bad then.

This one looks maybe ok though:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SAPRDT/comments/hr97u4/prerelease_card_discussion_onyx_magescribe/

Onyx Magescribe: Wasn't spoiled with the rest of the cards. But 6 mana 4/9 is a Boulderfist Ogre level statline, plus it's a dragon, and the spellburst gives it a sort-of soft-taunt (if you don't activate it immediately).

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UltimaterializerX posted...

You are not evaluating this card correctly. Shaman and Druid both get it.

Oops, yeah, good call, I actually didn't notice it was dual class.

UltimaterializerX posted...

We are literally getting Innervate and Lightning Bloom on the same class. And forget magical Chistmasland like you're seeing on Reddit right now; Shaman playing the 4/7/7 on turn 1 will be a regular occurrence.

Hmm...funny story, I cut the 4 mana 7/7 from my wild Even Shaman (I ran the 5/7 spell damage +2 dragon instead).

But I can see how that might be good--Even Shaman seriously struggles with Odd Demon Hunter in wild, and Odd DH doesn't really have a great answer to a turn 1/turn 2 7/7. So maybe that's an out vs DH. If you face a priest or a rogue who draw shadow word death or sap, though, you do just kind-of lose on the spot, and mage with Ray of Frost is not a great situation either. Also, a shaman who draws devolve is also pretty terrible for that line of play. So it seems a little matchup dependent.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/11659/hearthstone-reveals-upcoming-expansion-scholomance-academy-14-cards-shown

Dual class cards are coming.

Nature Studies: utterly busted. It's like better Raven Idol. What?

Lightning Bloom: Eh. It's net 0 mana for 1 card. Sure, moving the mana forward a turn is nice and all, but I don't see it in a tempo deck, and control decks don't want innervate anyway. Maybe for a combo deck? Malygos Shaman or something?

Wand Thief: 1 mana minions with combo have typically underperformed cause you can't actually play them on turn 1.

Devolving Missiles: Devolve is like...among the top 10 best cards in wild I think. The one card that really kept Shaman relevant in the meta long past when they probably would have gone away naturally. A 1 mana version that hits some enemies is probably...not as good, but playable!

Transfer Student: wtf

Wretched Tutor: Underwhelming...but neutral, so maybe has some relevance in classes that don't have board clears.

Frazzled Freshman: Definitely has potential if there's a tempo priest. 1 mana 1/4 is no joke.

Goody Two Shields: 3 mana 4/2 divine shield is...very playable with no extra bonuses. Paladin needs the help, though, so sure I guess. Libram of Wisdom is an easy activation of the spellburst too.

First day of School: Super, super good. It's probably better than Fire Fly on average. It goes into pure paladin decks as the 1 drop they were missing. Also, technically an even card, so slamming it into my attempts at wild even paladin. That said, holy hell RNG batman. I thought they were toning down RNG on tempo plays from turns 1-3.

Cult Neophyte: 2 mana version of Loatheb. But man, +1 mana is so minor. I don't really see this one going anywhere.

Diligent Notetaker: If spellburst works the way I think it works (once only, but the trigger lasts until you cast a spell even if the minion dies) yeah, this is solid. Basically 2 mana 2/3 draw a card. I don't think it saves shaman in standard, but as a stand-alone card it's fine.

Troublemaker: I don't think this makes the cut in standard decks, but man, there's going to be some highlight reels of streamers getting owned turn after turn by this card going full ragnaros sniper. EDIT: actually taking another look, I think I was wrong in my first assessment, this is probably actually just a good card. It's like ragnaros/priestess of fury. Like Priestess of Fury it doesn't have "can't attack" so it represents tons of damage if left alive. It's only 6 random damage at end of turn like Priestess despite being 8 mana buuuuut If the 3/3s it generates go face, you just get to keep a 3/3. Also 6/8, when Priestess needed to get nerfed to 6/5, so that's a lot of health.

Rattlegore: Is this a way for warrior to outvalue Priest? Ehh...no, Priest just saves Plague of Death for it. What about outvaluing Gala Rogue? Hmm...maybe? Sapping this doesn't stop the value train, Fliking this is no good, Blackjack Stunner now only makes this cost 10 so it's still playable, yeah, maybe this is the card that makes Warriors not lose the value game against Gala Rogue?

Shan'do Wildclaw: ANOTHER HUFFER?!? Yup! Also, there's a 10 mana play in Druid that involves playing Winged Guardian and copying it, so that's cool I guess. And in decks with enough beasts, this on turn 3 is like Keleseth. Seems...really good, but I might be imagining best case scenarios for it. It is narrow, and the keleseth effect requires you to be a beast build which...there aren't really any full beast decks in standard right now. So ehh...maybe this is not actually as good as it looks.

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azuarc posted...

I seem to come in second, third, or fourth each about ten times as often as first.

Yeah, that sounds normal.

Playing to gain MMR often involves playing safe, making the plays that will keep you from losing life this turn, but might make you a little weaker 10 turns from now.

Playing to get first involves like...forcing murlocs, powerlevelling, and praying you don't die, but getting 8th about twice as often as you get 1st.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

The only thing actually oppressive in Priest is Apotheosis on a rush minion.

The actually opressive thing about priest is the galakrond hero power.

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azuarc posted...

Even in the case where it's simply used to go face, though, it's 12 damage.

I mean, sure...but so is Assassin's Blade in Rogue (and its attack can also be buffed with Deadly Poison).

Assassin's Blade can't attack multiple times of course, but Warrior had a 5 mana 3/4 weapon called Fool's Bane which could attack multiple times as long as it was hitting minions (couldn't hit face). Much like Assassin's Blade it wasn't really anything special.

Demon hunter as a whole is strong, but I feel like they're being carried pretty hard by their earlygame 1-3 mana cards. If your opponent is already at 15 health and the DH is at 25 health when they equip warglaives, sure, warglaives is pretty good at sealing the game in that scenario. But in the opposite scenario where the opponent is at 25 health and the demon hunter is at 15...warglaives aren't that good.

This is why I'm a little surprised to see Warglaives hit rather than some of their early power. (Battlefiend, Satyr Overseer, the new Twin Slice, Umberwing).

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UltimaterializerX posted...

mc, those stats are out of context unless youre looking at high level play.

Eh. There are some cards and decks that perform better at high legend like egg warrior, but I don't think these two are really going to be on the list.

The one thing that will impact the drawn winrate of any expensive card in DH is that they tend to mess up outcast--they're hard to get out of your hand, so you can't activate all the outcasts to the right of those cards. So...maybe the cards are a little stronger than the stats suggest, but their interaction with the class mechanic makes their performance numbers a bit lower than they would be in other classes?

That said, the versions of DH that still run Priestess of Fury, Priestess still manages to have decent winrate statistics (despite being a card that gets cut from most DH decks these days).

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Camden posted...

That Kayn nerf seems odd.

Kayn is definitely a good card. Like...tends to have one of the highest drawn winrates in DH. Making it a 2/5 seems awful, that's Stormwind Knight statline. So I guess 3/4 was just a nerf that kept it playable.

But wow, these are a lot of nerfs.

Alextraza and Rogue Gala...yeah, I've wanted both of these nerfed with pretty much these nerfs.

Dragoncaster, not a surprise, they made a twitter post about how swingy puzzle box on turn 6 was, and how they might make this 7. I don't think Dragoncaster is really a problem without puzzle box, but sure, ok, sounds fine.

Metamorphosis is a surprise. Like...drawn winrate on that card was already on the lower end of the DH decks. At 5 damage it was like a Gladiator's Longbow that ignored taunt--7 mana for 5 damage over two turns. I did give in and craft it for wild odd DH, though, so ok, free dust I guess. I think this is going to be garbage as 7 mana for 8 damage spread over two turns. Like...while it doesn't ignore taunt, Inner demon dealing 8 on one turn might just be better than that. Metamorphosis is a pretty low interaction card, though, so maybe they just wanted to make DH easier to interact with. Hard to play around Metamorphosis. Inner Demon you can play around.

Corsair Cache...I guess they wanted to hit warrior, but...ouch. Wouldn't Bloodboil Brute be a better target? Maybe they just wanted to make it so that not every warrior deck was built with corsair cache in mind. Maybe they were just worried that with the nerfs to every other class they were making, Warrior would be too good.

Warglaves of Azzinoth is a pretty big surprise to me. Obviously a solid weapon, able to do some neat stuff, but drawn winrates on it were not that high. From experience, it's a pretty bad weapon if you are behind on health; you can easily end up dealing tons of damage to yourself clearing a board. A full mana nerf will probably just get the weapon cut from decks. Wonder what the thinking on this one was? Maybe this weapon was just hurting deck diversity? Maybe it countered something like Totem Shaman too hard, and the hope was by nerfing it, more decks could be viable? This will have a big impact on wild of course (card for odd DH becomes even).

Fungal Fortunes: I haven't really played in over a month, but I wasn't aware Druid needed a nerf. Last I checked Druid was considered pretty close to dumpster tier. I guess this is a reasonable card to hit if you want to nerf druid in standard. (In wild I think the druid decks running Fungal Fortunes are just worse than the druid decks not running fungal fortunes so...). Interesting that the mage version of this card was never nerfed (Book of Spectres).

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Ehhh, patches was bad for hearthstone because it was a mandatory legendary. And way, way more mandatory for his decks than previous good neutral legendaries. You could build a budget deck without O.G. Dr. Boom or The Lich King. But decks with patches literally couldn't function without patches.

Patches would have been fine if it was like...given away for free the way Galakrond was. But as is, I barely played hearthstone for over a year because I didn't open patches, and didn't want to craft him.

Fuck patches.

(As far as tutors go, though, they printed a lot of really good ones in AoO. Both a very strong beast tutor and a very strong weapon tutor).

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LiquidOshawott posted...

Maiev might be number 3 right now. Pretty straightforward with planning triples and incredibly easy to force Murlocs or big demons. Interesting how keeping one spot on the board made such a big difference!

Not really surprising to me. I did a pretty detailed analysis when Maiev first came out about when it was a good time to hero power with her or not based on the board spot lockout. The short version is that if you have rerolling to do, locking out a board space made her hero power like a 2.5 mana buy. The amount of gold it cost you next turn in extra rerolls was substantial--the hero power was still worth using for sure, but it turns out the hero herself wasn't really worth picking.

Buffed so that it doesn't lock out a board space, however, it's actually a 1 mana buy. Still has the 2 turn delay on it, it's not strictly better than Yogg/Rafaam (who have less delay), but yes, obviously a massive buff to Maiev.

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lol, didn't actually get enough wins last season to get the cardback (got 4 wins in ranked, did most of my quests in tavern brawls).

Thoroughly distracted by other games atm.

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ertyu0078 posted...

why bother coming here anyways just a waste of time

GameFAQS karma >_>

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azuarc posted...

Not only was I very, very wrong, but I think battlegrounds has a pirate problem.

The stats on pirates don't look too amazing right now:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/h116ry/hsreplaynet_battlegrounds_compositions_postpirate/

But it's entirely possible that people are playing them wrong, or that they're too heavily contested. Certainly a lot of people are playing pirates right now cause they're new, so you'll see a lot of them.

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Does no beasts mean no Megasaur? Or does Megasaur get counted under murlocs?

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Also, turns out Hooktusk is busted because you can sell 1 drops and discover a 1 drop, which just gives you free money. She appears to have taken the top winrate spot.

Eudora seems to be fine. About the same winrate as Finley on HSReplay; ahead of Elise.

(The other two, Patches and Kragg, are around Elise level on HSReplay, so still solid enough).

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Just watched dog get 5 Hoggarrs (one triple, two non-triples).

His salty looter got up to 244/244, and the edwin-style combo buffers targeted his windfury guy who got up to 150/151 or so.

So...that sure is a way you can play pirates.

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skullbone posted...

If you constantly rope every turn in Runeterra then they put you in a different matchmaking queue against other people who also rope every turn.

Yeah, I like that solution a lot actually.

Cause there are people like Lifecoach who really enjoy speinding the maximum amount of time thinking about their turns. And I can respect that, I don't just want to delete their experience from the game, but Hearthstone is a game I use for 15 minute exercise breaks at work, it's always incredibly disruptive when I get roped, often makes the games take too long etc.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I do not understand how or why Blizzard refuses to acknowledge extreme slow play and roping as a problem.

Oh hey, a complaint I actually agree with.

Roping is the one thing that really bugs me about Hearthstone. Like...obviously I'm into the RNG or I wouldn't enjoy card games (and wouldn't also enjoy ROM randomizers, and fast paced match 3 puzzle games). I've never been bothered by emotes; can't remember the last time I squelched someone.

But I hate ropers with a passion and want them banned.

It's weird too, I almost feel like Blizzard promotes roping. HGC is filled with players who think till rope (often to the point that they don't have enough time in the turn to play all their cards). And it's understandable--if thousands of dollars are on the line, ok, don't give your opponent extra information by ending the turn early and letting them know you have no 2 mana cards in hand. But it makes for a way worse viewing experience. I know people who were seriously turned off of watching HGC because of how slow everyone was playing.

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VeryInsane posted...

Edwin might be pretty nuts with Pirates

Oh, snap, I hadn't even thought of that.

Yeah, any hero that's heavily based on doing lots of of buying and selling might like pirates. Deryl also jumps to mind, as does Millhouse Manastorm.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

And yeah I don't see how Pirates can win against any remotely competent set-up.

Pirates seem designed kind-of like how they are in vanilla hearthstone, which is to say they don't necessarily have synergy with each other the way murlocs do.

But there is a lot of mana cheating going on with pirates. The one that sells for 3 gold. The one that reduces the cost of your next tavern tier. Hogarr, which gives you gold when you buy a pirate (this probably stacks, so 2 Hogarrs or a golden Hogarr is going to give you 2 gold for buying a pirate). And then a bunch of stuff that synergizes with buying and selling pirates like pirates with battlecries and salty looter.

IDK if that's strong enough to form an endgame comp, but I'm expecting some shenanigans kind-of like what people do with Khadgar.

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VeryInsane posted...

Yeah after looking at the dev statement about Eudora shes basically a worse Reno because the number of times you want to float a gold are usually low, especially in the early game.

Eudora's hero power is repeatable, though.

From the topic:

Sure! So, you press the hero power 4 times and you get a golden minion (your current Tier or below). Once you play this minion, you still get to discover.

It is a random Golden Minion.
Anytime you play a Golden Minion from hand, you get to Discover. So, you play it > get to Discover a minion.
Correct, you can do this multiple times.

Seems like it's somewhat comparable to Elise. 3 mana for discover a minion from a higher tavern tier (assuming you just sell the golden), whereas Elise is 3 mana to discover a minion from the current tavern tier (but the 3 mana is spread over four turns). Also, some potential the golden minion isn't garbage and doesn't get sold immediately.

If 4 turns wasn't such a long time to plan ahead, I'd call this really good and clear power creep on Elise. As is I still think it's solid, you probably play this like Rafaam and don't tavern up on 2 so that you can use her hero power every turn for the first several turns.

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I'm waiting on a box to send back my broken laptop for repairs.

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Metroid comfortably for me.

The castlevania games I've played were fine but I can't say I have much desire to go back to them.

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red sox 777 posted...

Murder probably should not have been on this list. I figured it was an obvious enough answer that people might choose a different option, but it's got a clear majority right now.

I mean, there's a difference between obviously socially constructed crimes like Marijuana Possession (which is legal in some places and illegal in others) and Truancy (truancy laws have existed for less than 300 years) and what I've heard a psychologist call "crimes against humanity"--i.e. murder, rape, which are illegal everywhere (including among relatively isolated indigenous people) and tend to be written into just about all the religious texts.

You could maybe get an interesting debate out of murder vs rape vs slavery vs torture. Or you could exclude the "crime against humanity" crimes and get an interesting debate out of those.

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Rick Rolling

Unless it's specifically limited to contest jokes.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/gvmuot/getting_the_66_golden_finkle_einhorn_in/

This video is pretty great.

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azuarc posted...

Either that, or the game remembers where I would have gotten to on wild if I had played things out.

It does remember where you would have gotten yes.

I didn't get back to legend last month in standard (didn't even get above plat) but Hearthstone remembered that I got to legend recently and gave me 10 stars anyway.

You can skip one month without playing a format at all and not slide. If you skip multiple months in a row there is gradual MMR decay (this is true in most Blizzard games like Starcraft and HotS, it assumes you are out of practice if you've been gone for 6 months), but that's still probably small, like going from 9 stars to 7 or 8 stars.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

Actually now that I think about it, isn't the system worse than the old system reset by a long way?

Didn't you used to lose 4 ranks at reset? So in my instance, my high was Diamond 6 so at reset I'd have gone to Diamond 10. Even if we say you lose stars instead of ranks, I'd have lost 20 stars in the old system and dropped to Platinum 3 at season start.

In the new system I was Diamond 6 so get 8 bonus stars. My bonus stars will wear off at Platinum 5. So not only do my bonus stars wear off before I reach where the old system would have put me. I am also going to have to play like 50 games to even get to Plat 5

Like I get that it is now far easier to get from Rank 5 to Legend since you're only staring at 15 stars with no win streak instead of 25 but in all other areas it seems worse?

It really depends what your winrate is. If you go pure 50% winrate, it gets you back to where you would have been about as fast. (Since you didn't move much under the old system with that winrate).

But yeah, in general "use up your star bonus" is just an extra hoop to jump through before it drops you off a few ranks below where you finished last season. (Probably about 7 ranks lower instead of 4 ranks lower like before, but there's only 3 stars per rank so 7x3 = 21 vs 4x5 = 20, so about the same number of stars lower on average).

Still, the added step of using up bonus stars is time consuming; I used to get rank 5 in both standard and wild each month, but didn't hit diamond 5 in both standard and wild last month.

On the other hand, it doesn't really punish you for skipping a season. Like I barely played standard last month, didn't use up my star bonus, kept the 10x mult. If I barely played one of standard or wild for a few seasons under the old system I would fall all the way down to rank 20 in that format.

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Wow, I felt like I was doing awful in standard last season, at best 50-50 with all my decks, worse with some, didn't even use up all my star bonus (ended in like plat 10 or something).

Kept the 10x multiplier. I'm actually fairly relieved, I was expecting like 7x or 8x.

Meanwhile in wild...11x multiplier (!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I streaked pretty hard on the way back to rank 5, so I can see how it happened, but I'm still flattered that I apparently have high legend MMR. Figured 11x was just never going to happen for me. Most of that streak happened with a budget deck missing multiple epics and legendaries too. Guess that means I can get to legend for free this month, 1 extra pack, woo.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I find it entertaining you're calling Yorion's effect mild

No, I'm calling Yorion's downside mild.

Running an 80 card deck instead of a 60 card deck is like...such a mild price to pay for the upside you get. A lot less restrictive than odd/even/highlander/etc.

EDIT:

They clearly had no clue how broken a free 8th card on cue was going to be

TBH, I hope the nerf they are announcing in a few days is just "you can run a companion, but for every companion you run you start with one less card in your hand." That way it's back to being a 7 card hand, but it might still be worth it for decks with lots of synergy.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

And then Magic the Gathering decided to copy the mechanic.

Spoilers, it's a complete f***ing s***show. It's almost like copying mechanics from the worst game ever made is a bad idea or something. I am in no way surprised that Magic's lowest point lines up with bringing Hearthstone ideas in as major set keywords.

I mean, the odd and even ones in MtG aren't too bad for balance level.

They just made a full cycle of 10 of them, and some of them are really mild restrictions like "if your deck has 80 starting cards instead of 60". And "if the only creatures in your deck are Cat, Elemental, Nightmare, Dinosaur, or Beast card"--which sounds kind-of restrictive until you realize magic has creatureless control decks, and control decks that only run a few creatures some of which just happen to be beasts.

Oh, also unlike Genn/Baku where drawing Genn or Baku out of your deck can be a downside, there is almost no downside to the mtg version of the mechanic (they use up a single sideboard slot in a tournament setting, as opposed to using up a slot in your deck and potentially being a bad draw).

TL;DR: MtG borrowed the mechanic, but were also like "hey, what if there were 10 of these instead of 2, and what if they had way fewer downsides?"

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Cosmetics has nothing to do with mmr, bro.

Running Bloodfen Raptor, Raid leader, and Oasis Snapjaw probably does have a pretty strong correlation with low MMR, though.

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I'm not a huge fan of Flik, but my main issue with Flik is that it's in Rogue, the class that's not supposed to have efficient board clears. And Flik can (situationally of course) be a really efficient board clear.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

Next month Legend might be achievable if I get enough bonus stars that I don't have to dredge through all the lower ranks like I have this month

You always get enough bonus stars to get you one rank floor below wherever you finished in the previous season.

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Man, I've noticed that 0.0000000000001 second queue time on some streamers.

Like...for real Educated Collins, I just want you to stay on the menu screen for 1 second so I can see what your current MMR is, but no, spam click so fast that the menu is covered up by the queue wheel before it's even done loading in.

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It's pretty safe to assume explosive trap right now.

Most hunters run 2x explosive trap and no other secrets cause it's really good against DH (most DH minions have 2 health, and DH has no class cards that buff minions), and you want to guarantee explosive off of phase stalker, which encourages you to not run any other secrets..

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I think they would die from explosive trap before their minion hit face, so it wouldn't be a tie. (Or they could heal face before attacking into a hunter trap while at 2 health, which is probably the right plan)

(From what I understand ties just act as if literally nothing happened, so they don't break a streak).

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Pretty sure Renew is supposed to be the replacement for Power Word Shield seeing as that got completely changed to not draw a card. (They decided that Priests discover/generate cards instead of drawing cards now). Power Word Shield was good, and the replacement (Renew) is also good.

Renew is not the card I would nerf in Priest, though. I would change the hero power on Galakrond cause it leads to hour long games. Just make it summon Jade Golems or something so that it can actually end people's suffering.

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Well, after disenchanting all those cards I have...two decks playable in standard (Libram Paladin and an old deck with I think no cards from the new expansion).

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Rafaam should level on turn 2 a lot more than people do.

Like, if on turn 2 you find youself with a micro machine and a mecharoo, you probably should have levelled.

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Camden posted...

Yep.

Edit: Similar thing happened a few days ago and I bought the 1/3 taunt to clear the divine shields, except I forgot Nadina wouldn't die when it attacked into it. It did, however clear all of my own divine shields because my Nadina attacked first. Should have thought that one through a little more.

Righteous Protector is probably better for that kind of mirror. Makes sure Nadina doesn't die, without disrupting your divine shields.

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FFDragon posted...

I was sold on the argument that you can target stuff you know is in hand, like buffed Zixor or Galakrond and whatnot. Plus since I added Pyro, it's also a cheap source of 1 to all.

Just as long as you remember to save mind vision until after they use the coin it's fine.

I think on turn 1 the 1/1 is clearly better, since it never gives coin, and can maybe threaten to trade with a 2/1. But if you don't mind holding it in hand for later, then yeah, it's a handbuff/handdiscount meta, so mind vision makes sense.

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I think Psychic Conjurer is fine on paper. Priest Babbling Book.

Obviously not in a deck focused on resurrect effects, but I think the power level of the card is fine.

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skullbone posted...

Yeah I don't really think Demon Hunter is a huge problem anymore. If it gets nerfed to oblivion then people are just going to play Dragon Hunter or Highlander Hunter and do the same thing.

Ehh...even if it gets nerfed a lot, it's still going to be a board centric aggro deck that's good against other board centric aggro decks.

Like...remember last year before AoO came out and Zoo was a reasonable deck? Now it's like "well Flame Imp on 1 isn't good anymore cause Demon Hunter just kills it".

Aldor Attendant:Old: [Cost 2] 2 Attack, 3 Health New: [Cost 1] 1 Attack, 3 Health.

This one is a really big deal; one of the things Pure Paladin was missing was a playable 1 drop, since they kind-of need to take board for early control having no removal spells until turn 4. Even just a vanilla 1 mana 1/3 would be good because it curves really well into Hand of A'dal.

Also, wild odd libram paladin is now potentially a thing, so that's interesting. You can also draw these with Crystology.

Torrent:Old: [Cost 5] New: [Cost 4].

Um, wow ok. So before it was a 5 mana assassinate that sometimes costs 2, and now it's a 4 mana assassinate that sometimes costs 1. That seems really good; Walk the Plank was playable at 4 mana.

That said, Torrent didn't fit into any Shaman decks currently (7% playrate in Shaman, doesn't even always make it into highlander decks) so I see where they're coming from with the buff.

Shattered Rumbler:Old: 4 Attack, 6 Health New: 5 Attack, 6 Health.

Ehh...still bad I think. The problem with Shattered Rumbler is that a symmetrical board clear is pretty situational, and you don't know a turn in advance if it's going to be the right situation. Also 3% inclusion rate in Shaman decks right now getting a +1 attack buff on a control card. Ooookaaaay. The only way this becomes relevant is if the buffs to Torrent spawn a new spell shaman archetype.

"The Lurker Below:Old: 6 Attack, 3 Health New: 6 Attack, 5 Health."

So...just a better fire elemental now? (Other than the inability to hit face?) OK. People do already play this card in controlling decks, and controlling decks like having 2 more health on the minions they already play, so sure.

Priestess of Fury:
Old: 6 Attack, 7 Health New: 6 Attack, 5 Health.

I think this will push DH towards cutting Priestess again, going with a lower curve. Some will still run it--doesn't look unplayable with 5 heath, but it does clog up outcasts.

Crimson Sigil Runner:
Old: 2 Attack, 1 Health New: 1 Attack, 1 Health.

Pretty happy about this change. It'll still be good in combo/control DH lists, but I think aggro DH cuts it now, and my big issue with DH is how many premium 0 mana and 1 mana plays they have giving them usually a better earlygame than every other earlygame deck. Like...if they play this on turn 1, draw a card with it, and then you play a Blazing Battlemage or Flame Imp? You just get 2-for-1'd. So...would you rather get 2-for-1'd or surrender board control. This one is a bigger deal to me than the Priestess of Fury change.

"Scavenger's Ingenuity:Old: Draw a Beast. Give it +3/+3. New: Draw a Beast. Give it +2/+2."

Eh, sure, close to the highest winrate card in most decks that run it, including Dragon Hunter (despite being a beast synergy card). Worth noting that this nerf will hurt hunter against DH a lot--DH struggles to clear really big minions, and now, either hunters will cut Ingenuity or the minion will be easier for DH to clear.

Shadowjeweler Hanar:
Old: 1 Attack, 5 Health New: 1 Attack, 4 Health.

Blackjack Stunner:
Old: Battlecry: If you control a Secret, return a minion to its owners hand. It costs (2) more. New: Battlecry: If you control a Secret, return a minion to its owners hand. It costs (1) more.

Personal preference I guess but I'd rather they hit Galakrond. "Secret Stealth Rogue" the deck that doesn't run the Galakrond package has like...a 40% winrate. These are strong cards and all that, but they happen once and then they're over. They're only a problem when Rogue has a million resources backing them up via Galakrond.

They are some of the highest winrate Rogue cards, though, so I can see why they were hit.

"Bloodboil Brute:Old: 6 Attack, 8 Health New: 5 Attack, 8 Health"

Definitely had a nerf coming. That said, Bloodboil Brute kills Priestess of Fury now even without a risky skipper combo, so I think the Warrior vs DH matchup may have gotten better rather than worse.

"Bloodsworn Mercenary:Old: 3 Attack, 3 Health New: 2 Attack, 2 Health."

Ehhh? Kinda surprised this one is getting hit way harder than Bloodboil Brute. I don't know if this is a card the deck can even afford to cut, since it wants it to combo with Kor Kron Elite, but man, maybe you go down to 1 copy?

Also a stealth nerf to the Teron Gorefiend version of the deck. Copying Teron was fun, objectively by the statistics Teron probably wasn't worth running, but I loved getting big Terons and copying them.

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Apparently there was a hotfix yesterday:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/gjxwso/1720_hotfix/

No more upgraded hero powers for renounce darkness :(

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