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No, I just think Americans
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

... what other f***ing games do that?!

Typically every single pen and paper RPG
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thrashmetal14 posted...

First of all Thomas Jefferson was a slave-owning piece of s*** so I dont care about his opinion.

Yeah, while the rest of the founding fathers almost died in the trench, he was off getting high with the French.
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Let's not jump to conclusions
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Thomas Jefferson, always hesitant with the President
Reticent - there isn't a plan he doesn't jettison

Madison, you mad as a hatter, son, take your medicine

Sometimes I wonder why I even bring the thunder
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Thomas Jefferson, always hesitant with the President
Reticent - there isn't a plan he doesn't jettison
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Rika_Furude posted...

JE19426 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

it means its targeted at adult males rather than young males

so stuff like cowboy bebop, death note, etc

Death Note is Shounen, not Seinen.

Its rating in the US does not change the fact that it ran in Weekly Shounen Jump, a magazine that publishes a variety of shounen series every week. It's quite well known that the tolerance for violent elements in children's media is lower in America, thus many shounen shows got either censored or rated R. That doesn't make them not shounen.
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Trigun and Cowboy Bebop are seinen.
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Eh, I think there's not much in terms of shounen that can compare to Yorkshin arc, not from the new HxH or the old.
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Darkman124 posted...

"Dear Mom - today I deleted my paper trail."

That was quite funny lol
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Doom_Art posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The Libertarian Right just looks like uncharted territory tbh imo

"here be dragons"

"Koko ni ryuu ga arimasu yo" if you please
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The Libertarian Right just looks like uncharted territory tbh imo
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Moana is amazing tho
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Ilove4chan posted...

What's the tweet, I can't use twitter at work

The tweet is a screencap of a text posted on Instagram so I can't copy it. I'd copy it by hand if I were at work where I have two monitors. Sorry mate. But it's essentially "How about we make people who want to buy a gun jump through the same hoops as young women who want to have an abortion".
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Oh I'm blind and slow, sorry m8
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Antifar posted...

I should note, as the article does, that sea ice melting won't raise sea levels.

How does that work, when the sea level has been shown to have actually risen?

Because that's not sea ice melting. That's ice from land melting and pouring into the sea. More water -> higher ocean level.
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gamer167 posted...

Im sure its declined faster and in a shorter period of time at other points during the earths 4.5 Billion years of existence.

That's a very qualified guess you're making :)
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MrDrMan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

MrDrMan posted...

Quicksilver posted...

So whats the big deal the ice melts it opens new shipping lanes and gives us access to more natural resources sounds like a win win situation.

Im not an expert but I dont think it works like that lol.

It does in the arctic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage

There are two sides to everything. When I said I dont think it works like that I meant there has to be a downside.

MANY SIDES
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Wow
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:thonking:


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Sativa_Rose posted...

Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top

People do shady stuff everywhere, yeah. Academia is one of the better places in terms of trying to fix its own issues, IMO.
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Darkman124 posted...

COVxy posted...

scar the 1 posted...

What are those guidelines?

https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf

I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially.

fun fact: my old adviser took my master's thesis, slapped his name in first author position, trimmed down to appropriate size, and submitted to a conference

if it were a journal i'd have been angry

I'm pretty sure that happens here too. Most of us ask for permission and put the student as co-author at least, though.
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CM_Ponch posted...

scar the 1 posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Which in no way refutes his point.

It will always be Goku except for the time it was Roshi, or Tien, or Piccolo, or Gohan, or Xeno

It's a shounen. The main character will be the one to fight the last boss. Gohan v Cell was an exception.

Vegeta was the last one to fight Golden Frieza, Trunks was the last one to fight Zamasu

Yeah, DBS has been quite gratuitous in this regard, hasn't it? (Although Goku killed Frieza and summoned Zeno to kill Zamasu)

EDIT: Maybe generous is a better word...
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CM_Ponch posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Which in no way refutes his point.

It will always be Goku except for the time it was Roshi, or Tien, or Piccolo, or Gohan, or Xeno

It's a shounen. The main character will be the one to fight the last boss. Gohan v Cell was an exception.
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CM_Ponch posted...

_MorningStar posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Pretty uneventful until the last few minutes

Vegeta literally got eliminated...

As literally everyone expected ever. It will always be Goku, it's why I gave up on the series.

Goku lost his first two World Martial Arts tournaments, died against Raditz, lost to Vegeta, lost to Cell, lost to Beerus, lost to Golden Frieza, and lost to Zamasu. Goku loses more than he wins

Which in no way refutes his point.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

As for the "close gun stores like we do abortion clinics", Planned Parenthood gets money from the government. That's why the government is able to shut them down; by removing their funding. No gun store, as far as I know, gets government funding.

You're absolutely right. Literally expecting the government to try and shut down gun stores using the same mechanism as with abortion clinics isn't realistic at all. That's a great takeaway from this juxtaposition.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

"Young men" can't buy guns in the US. Gotta be 18.

18 is very young
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Foppe posted...

Will we have radical victims that kill gun sellers and bomb gun shops as well?

Every side is equal so I don't see why not
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

First half was fair

Second half was dumb

Before or after closing down the gun shops? I liked that bit.
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Howl posted...

Another thing I found interesting about the article was the researchers deliberate usage of the word associated to purposely mislead people about the results of their findings. You know why they never said there is a causal relationship that exists between spanking and the 17 categories that were investigated? Because there is no eveidence that suggests so.

Just in case anyone takes this garbage seriously:
People don't report on causal relationships in social sciences because it's practically impossible to conclude. Holding a social science to the standard of causality is really fucking absurd considering it's next to impossible to show causality in most natural sciences.
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https://twitter.com/MRaymondJames/status/965331591814959106

Thoughts?
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andel posted...

Darmik posted...

It's more about the lead designer than the actual game. The politics of the game combined with the fact that the lead designer is an open alt-righter is why they're not gonna cover it. Waypoint are an extremely left leaning video game website.

If the lead designer wasn't a factor I doubt they'd care as much.

alt right at fucking morons but a game is a game. if it is quality i will buy it, if it sucks i won't. i have heard mostly good things about kingdom come, may pick it up eventually but the criticism of not including black people in a game about medieval europe is beyond stupid

That's your prerogative, but things don't exist in a vacuum. Avoiding a product because you don't support the opinions of its creator is very reasonable.

...as people who smashed coffee machines have shown us
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It was my understanding that Sauron could only conceivably control them using his own Ring, even though Celebrimbor made them alone, and that's why they took them off until Isildur chopped off his finger.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Minor nitpicking here but they do some bigger magical attacks.

Elrond had his water trap, Gandalf does some magic stuff at the Black Gate, the Witch King does project flames and lights his sword on fire.

Then we have all the small mentions that they never go too much into.
The Dwarves control smoke in the Hobbit as well, racing each other around Bilbo's house with smoke rings, Aragorn has some healing thing with Tolkien mentioning King's healing, and Boromir has prophetic dreams.

It's just that they barely talk about it at all, given how Tolkien cared more about songs and wordplay than battle, although they definitely do seem less magical than other series.

Yeah, you're right. It's just that the magic that takes center stage is more often the subtle stuff. It's described quite well somewhere, how the elves don't consider what they're doing to be magic, they just do it.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

They do take them off after Sauron is revealed to have made the One Ring, they just start wearing them later for some reason.

They start wearing them again because they know Sauron doesn't have the Ring.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Its a plot hole with a bunch of fan-splaining. The fact is the ring seems pretty useless except for invisibility. Frodo sure couldnt control the other ring bearers. There seems to be a hundred other things in middle earth more powerful than the ring, like that undead ghost army for one.

No, it is explained by Tolkien. The Ring gives you power over others. We even see a glimpse of it in Frodo; on the slope of Mount Doom (IIRC) he completely subjugates Gollum for a little while, because his powers grew while he was a Ringbearer. Magic in LotR isn't often about cool spells, like fireballs etc. Heck, even Gandalf doesn't do that a lot. It's much more intangible, like how just chanting the name of a god makes the Nazgul recoil, or how the light of a Silmaril captured in the reflection of Galadriel's mirror helps force Shelob back, or how Saruman's voice charms people of weak will.
The undead ghost army wasn't so powerful - what they actually did was just scare people so they abandoned a mission that Sauron had coerced them into using fear.

The point of having a Hobbit be the Ringbearer was because Hobbits aren't very thirsty for power, so they don't get corrupted as quickly. Furthermore they aren't very powerful, so they couldn't really be as dangerous as Aragorn, Galadriel or Gandalf would be.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

So first off a Tumblr called "MedievalPoC" is you source here?

And what's wrong? They never give an example of black people in Bohemia, just that paintings depicting Africans were done. People were always interested in culture outside their own why do you think Aladdin "takes place" in China?

And yes, the burden of proof is on the person claiming they were around in number. That's how it works. Weird how there are documented communities for some minorities like Jews and Turkic people but not for black people almost like they weren't present there

My source is what I found when I tried to trace the outrage to its roots. That tumblr post being shown on tumblrinaction seems to have triggered a lot of shit and brought a lot of attention to the issue.

As for the credibility of the tumblr account that specializes in poc in history? I'm inclined to defer, since they seem quite well read, they present arguments in a well-structured manner, and they provide clear references.
I'm not saying anything is wrong, but to me it definitely looks like the statement that "poc in 15th century Bohemia were very very rare" isn't entirely correct. And let's be clear, I'm not talking about black people, I'm talking about people of color, because that's what MedievalPOC is talking about.

Listen I'm not going to exactly trust MedievalPoC as much as a legitimate source. It's literally a Tumblr blog.

The start was a writer attacking the game for not including black people, spinning it to be PoC to cloud the argument and go "well actually..." Is ridiculous and spinning to suit the argument.

And minorities in those days were in far fewer numbers than the minorities of today.

But to be clear Turkish people and Arabs are PoC now?

They're white on the US census, didn't people call JonTron white just last year? He'd be a "PoC" by those standards.

I despise the term PoC. I come from a multicultural family. Talk about what they are not just "Not White" (which seems to be including more and more now)

Lucky MedievalPOC literally cites legitimate sources that you can peruse.
I've noticed that there seems to be some outrage that black people aren't represented enough in every European game. I haven't seen that here, but that specifically I think can often be very farfetched and ignorant.

As for what actually accounts to POC, again the MedievalPOC post addresses this, because historical accounts categorize people by religion and ethnicity rather than race. So in a sense they actually echo your concern.
As for despising the term POC, sorry about that. It's a commonly used term, coined by POC.
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Hexenherz posted...

Just because POC people were depicted in art does not automatically mean that those ethnicities comprised a large percentage of the population of the time, especially not in the area of the region where the game takes place. This proves the literal sense of "there were POC there", but it does nothing to actually illustrate just how much of the population were non-Slavs. There could have literally been five Black people in the area that happened to stand out and do some really amazing things and get painted, that doesn't mean that suddenly 15th century Bohemia looked like modern day London.

From what I saw, the link in that person's post was just to a book in general, not to specific pages.

I'm definitely not arguing that they're wrong that historically different ethnic groups live in that region in that time period. I'm just saying they are potentially overblowing the demographic composition for where the game takes place.

The art is not the only piece of evidence they cite. If it were, the argument would be that much weaker.
And you saw wrong. The book references had information about which pages the writer cited.
Feel free to argue whatever you want, you're arguing without sources against someone whose sources you refuse to read because "they're too many pages". And ultimately, I don't really think it matters either way. I think that tumblr post is perfectly reasonable, and it's not in any way a call to boycott the game. It's just a civil answer to a question and really warrants no outrage from either side. Yet MedievalPOC got flooded with hatemail after being featured on tumblrinaction.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

So first off a Tumblr called "MedievalPoC" is you source here?

And what's wrong? They never give an example of black people in Bohemia, just that paintings depicting Africans were done. People were always interested in culture outside their own why do you think Aladdin "takes place" in China?

And yes, the burden of proof is on the person claiming they were around in number. That's how it works. Weird how there are documented communities for some minorities like Jews and Turkic people but not for black people almost like they weren't present there

My source is what I found when I tried to trace the outrage to its roots. That tumblr post being shown on tumblrinaction seems to have triggered a lot of shit and brought a lot of attention to the issue.

As for the credibility of the tumblr account that specializes in poc in history? I'm inclined to defer, since they seem quite well read, they present arguments in a well-structured manner, and they provide clear references.
I'm not saying anything is wrong, but to me it definitely looks like the statement that "poc in 15th century Bohemia were very very rare" isn't entirely correct. And let's be clear, I'm not talking about black people, I'm talking about people of color, because that's what MedievalPOC is talking about.
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Hexenherz posted...

"There are paintings of black people from that time so they must have been very common. If you don't believe me, read this 569 page book about it!!"

Yeah. No thanks.

You seem to be mixing up the arguments presented in the response. One argument was that poc (not just black people) were depicted in art.
Another was that demographics that would have contained a lot of poc (Mongols, Turks, Greek, etc) lived there at the time. So two different pieces of evidence support the same conclusion.
And finally - they actually provide sources and which pages to look at and you dismiss them because they're too long? Lmao
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Name a black person in 15th century Bohemia. If they were some black people in that era, it should be easy to name one.

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/post/75252294049/hi-ive-been-looking-at-a-kickstarter-for-a

This seems to be what started the entire thing. Someone gave a bunch of arguments why the dev was wrong, then people got super pissed at SJWs.
I struggle to see how "you can't name a black person in 15th century Bohemia" implies "people of color in 15th century Bohemia were very very rare". Maybe my logic is weak.
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https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
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Leight_Weight posted...

Good job swedes

Ty fam
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apolloooo posted...

Because in their head a woman being raped by 5 armored, heavily armed and experienced soldiers can fight back and cut their penises and put it into their respective mouths.

That's a classical strawman. The argument I typically see against that sort of thing is that it treats rape in a very insensitive manner, like a cheap trick to add tension. Think what you will about that, but it's something completely different than the revisionist strawman you're attacking.
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COVxy posted...

scar the 1 posted...

What are those guidelines?

https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf

I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially.

That looks reasonable yeah. I don't think everyone at our uni follows that, by far. Some professors are supervisors in name only but will demand co-authorship. Maybe not demand explicitly but e.g., PhD students easily find themselves somewhat pressured to include them.
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What are those guidelines?
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COVxy posted...

Hexagon posted...

That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family.

I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it.

The institutions they represent should be reprimanded. And the funding they get should be reevaluated.
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I mean it's quite expected that they all use the same physics engine
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That's insane lol
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