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It's topics like this that make me miss Terris (with his endless anti-Steam rants).

Say what you want about him, but the guy knew how to rile up a crowd in these parts.

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argonautweakend posted...

i'd love to play it but epic game store is a hard pass.

Pretty much this. They're having a pretty good sale too, but most of their "exclusives" will be on Steam in a few months (where they'll likely have even better sales around Christmas time).

Gotta give Epic props for trying. Steam was hated when it was launched. Origin was hated when it was launched. Uplay was hated when it was launched. Epic's store is no different. It'll be hated, but eventually, people will soften up to it (namely because people hate to wait for for decent exclusives).

Of course, each of these game storefronts will have haters that persist till the end of time.

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Have any of y'all seen God Bless America?

In some ways, the plot was brilliant (great social commentary for how far we've devolved socially). But, geez..., it was heavy-handed.

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When I think of blackface in movies, I immediately think of Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder.

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Mel Brooks was a master at satire. I agree that Blazing Saddles saddles would never make it to theaters these days.

What are your opinions on Monty Python?

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I'm talking actual box-office movies. (Not Porn / Youtube / Etc. )

What movies are the most offensive, anti politically-correct ever made?

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wolfy42 posted...

You still have time to file online right now and that should count:)

We shall see. Let's hope it works.

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DPsx7 posted...

Dunno. I'm getting by for now. Less hours at work but at least I have something. Could spend this on fun stuff. That's the idea right, to fuel the economy? I'll probably wind up saving it until things are on sale, it's just what I do.

You should order a Valve Index. I hear Half-Life Alyx is pretty good.

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My wife and I are pooling our money together in our emergency fund as well. We had a kid born in September last year, but we haven't been able to file taxes yet this year (so our stimulus money is based on last year's filing). Maybe we can get the extra money for the kid as well (retroactively).

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I know it's not a "movie" but Stranger things also has a remarkably fitting soundtrack.

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There's so much confirmation bias in these sex assault accusations. When Kavanaugh was accused by Ford, nearly all democrats assumed guilt while republicans assumed innocence (neither of which can be proven). Now the republicans will assume guilt of Biden, and the Democrats will assume innocence (which, yet again, cannot be proven).

Who gives a shit about facts? If I like the guy, he's innocent. If I detest the guy, he's guilty. It's been that way ever since the hyper-religious Jewish leaders managed to get a death sentence for Jesus because he was stealing their thunder.

All of this confirmation bias can go fuck itself.

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LotR, which is particularly impressive, given how much time the music had to fill. I'm not sure how Shore's score managed to keep an epic fantasy feeling through all three movies without wearing out its welcome, but he pulled it off.

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Zangulus posted...

Youre responding way stronger than I am with this response. I merely pointed out the bad idea of this topic, and more importantly the refusal to accept information given in this topic.

Much the same as the other topic, I merely responded and pointed out the problems with your logic in that topic. Here you are thinking I even gave 1 second of thought about you outside of that topic. I havent.

I see your point. Fair enough.

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Zangulus posted...

I didnt even know that was you... Youre really not that special. So no, I was just commenting on what I saw in this topic, and this topic alone.

As for your real question, which didnt come out until now, the economy will recover.

People who die because of overcrowded hospitals dont.

But thats just my take.

Meh, either way. I'm willing to own my mistakes. Bad topic is bad (both that one and this one).

It's just that if there IS a way to minimize people's lives going to shit (whether via health or economics), it merits discussion. Sadly, there's no real winner in a pandemic, so no matter how you slice it, some people's lives are gonna go to shit (no matter how much planning / discussion / precaution / etc.)

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Zangulus posted...

TC: I wish we had an idea whether this would work...

Multiple responses: It does, and it saves lives.

TC: Yeah, but does it actually work! Also money is more important than people dying because we overloaded our medical system.

I think you still have it in for me from that other topic where I made that piss-poor comparison with Steve Jobs.

That's fair. But, here in reality-land where people are struggling to make ends meet, it doesn't seem unreasonable to seek a balanced approach. Perhaps I could have also worded the topic title better. The REAL question I'm getting at is How minimal can you make the damage to the economy while still curbing the spread of disease?

That's not an unreasonable question. But, hey, I'm on your shitlist, so who gives a fuck what my question is?

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funkyfritter posted...

It would be nice, but realistically the vast majority of people lack the background knowledge to properly assess a complex situation like this. Best thing we can do is pay attention to what the experts say.

That's been the general consensus. Learning from Italy's mistakes, it'll be better to overreact than to underreact (since once the damage is done, there's very little you can do to correct the issue at that point). I guess that's what's driving the general panic and fear as well. We don't want another Italy, so economy be damned.

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OniRonin posted...

waaah line go down, we should let millions of elderly and immunocompromised people die instead

Well, that's one way to draw the line. Perhaps there's a more balanced approach.

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Playsaver posted...

We do know.
https://fox2now.com/news/philadelphia-didnt-cancel-a-parade-during-a-1918-pandemic-the-results-were-devastating/
While not a quarantine, the link above shows what can happen when you allow large groups of people get together during a pandemic.

Mead posted...

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/

historically we know that this is an example of how social distancing works during an epidemic

But, mind you, they didn't shut the entire fucking city of St. Louis down. They merely cancelled the parade. But indeed, I guess that's the best measure we have to go by. (Learning from past mistakes). Also, just based on the napkin math of that incident's statistics, the death rate of Spanish Flu was about 3% (same as COVID-19, at least to date).

I guess the big question here is, How minimal can you make the damage to the economy while still curbing the spread of disease?

Nobody is saying that the CONCEPT of quarantines is faulty. We all know that (at least on paper, and historically) they CAN make a difference. There are just so many questions that reasonably follow. Do you JUST cancel mass events? (e.g. parades / stadiums full of 20,000+ people / etc.) Do we close down stores / restaurants / service industries? Italy has pretty much shut down everything at this point. Drawing the perfect line is easier said than done.

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When you consider that we're crippling economies, and causing millions to go without paychecks for nearly a month (or longer), it'd be nice to know definitively how WORTH IT these measures actually are. Even with the higher death tolls than influenza, the vast majority of the people sick with COVID-19 still make a full recovery. In reality, most people catch a good virus or two every single year (sometimes more than that), and even though you feel like shit, you understand that the bug will pass, and the world keeps on spinning (No shutdowns. No panic buying. No plummeting stock prices.)

Furthermore, if nobody in or around your life ever catches COVID-19, there's no way to definitively PROVE that you actually would have caught the bug in a scenario WITHOUT the massive quarantine / shutdown measures. (There's a very real chance that the virus would have dissipated on its own without affecting you, even though the media would SAY it's because "The quarantine worked.")

Lastly, even WITH the quarantines, you still have assholes like this guy in Kentucky, who disregard the rules of the quarantine, further undermining the effectiveness of the concept (and we all know damn well, this old geezer in KY is only one of thousands who don't give a shit.)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentucky-refused-quarantine-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

TL'DR Version: I wish we could know how much of a difference these quarantines actually make for health purposes, because they sure as hell make a difference to people's livelihoods. If people have a choice of feeling like shit for 4 days, or going without pay for a month, I'd wager many would rather just feel like shit and get back to work on day 5.

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Well, Romney is an arrogant dick, so..., not much will happen.

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As corrupt as elections are with super-pacs, it was very satisfying to see Bloomberg gloriously implode after riding the coattails of money-backed support.

It goes to show that even borderline limitless money-backing (though indeed helpful) isn't going to guarantee any outcome. At some point, the candidate has to open his or her mouth without sounding like a dumbass.

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streamofthesky posted...

Lightning Boy explicitly compared Fidel Castro to adolph hitler and hoped the topic would die after he got the last word in so no one would mock him for it, lol

I'm not gonna lie. This topic went far better than I was expecting.

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Mead posted...

I was gonna disagree with you because I didnt think she was in the FMVs all that much

but I rewatched some just now and at one point she gets knocked down on the highwind and there is some insane jiggling of globes

Dude..., it's no joke.

FMV Tifa is win!!!

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Also, shoutout to Ehrgiez Tifa.



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Mead posted...

yeah screw realism, give us tifa the way she is meant to be portrayed

I was referring to FMV Tifa, but yeah.

I think FMV Tifa may have been one of the very first characters to have "jiggle physics."

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Bulbasaur posted...

it's intact, and ever more outrageous

like the honey bee inn is a burlesque show now.

Didn't the honey bee inn get censored in the original western release? I've been wondering how they'll handle the "sex appeal." In some ways, it's been toned down (like Tifa's character model. More realistic.) On the other hand, they seem to have upped the innuendo.

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Mead posted...

its in the game theyve already previewed a lot of that

Oh, NICE! I must have missed that preview.

Have they revealed what the "overworld" exploration will be like in future installments (like, after we leave Midgar)? I'm curious how "detailed" and explorable the world map will be.

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I really, REALLY hope they leave in the "silly" content (like the whole Don Corneo questline) but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Mead posted...

Ive played the game several times and usually end up with 40 hours minimum

20-25 hours sounds more like a speedrun

I like FFXV but when you compare the games its obvious theyve put way more into the production of this one

Agreed. The scale of the original game is massive. When you think through the lushly detailed still environments (e.g. the Pagoda / the city of the ancients / etc.), there are so many insane details that they'd have to be fully modeling in 3d (textures and all) if they're going to maintain the level of detail shown in the demo.

FFXV was pretty, yes, but not at the same content scale of the PS1 games in sheer quantity of environment types.
My first playthrough of FF7 was very lengthy, but that's because I was exploring every back-door secret I could find (Golden Saucer arena / chocobo racing / chocobo breeding / vincent's hidden storylines / zack's hidden storylines / etc.). My shortest playthrough was about 40-45 hours.

All that content really adds up.

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Zangulus posted...

I get tired of people going "You can be just as happy with 0 money!" without thinking about the many problems with our society that requires money in order to have a chance at a lot of happiness.

Will it cure everything? of course not. But the 0 money = full happiness is horseshit.

Fair enough. The pendulum can swing to either extreme in this argument (or any argument, for that matter).

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Zangulus posted...

This is a horrible example. He had a very high survival rate and early detection of his cancer and he chose not to do what the doctors wanted and he literally ended up saying he regretted it before he died.

His money would have easily saved his life, had he not chosen alternative medicine. So yeah...

Mead pointed out the flaw as well. I've since deleted that post. I suppose I could have chosen several other (better) examples, even including ones that are going down right now (Alex Trebek, for example. He's fighting his pancreatic cancer as hard as he can, and I really hope he prevails.)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/alex-trebek-shares-emotional-inspiring-cancer-diagnosis-update/ar-BB10Kae5

Like I told Mead. I never wanted to start shit. I just get so tired of people touting money as a solution. Nobody's saying money doesn't help with life in general (it has many valid functions), but happiness is a deeper concept that merits further discussion.

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Mead posted...

a lack of wealth can absolutely cause someones life to be worse and full of more hardships

go ahead and tell folks that have to take lower doses of insulin because insurance wont cover the cost of it that money wont solve their problems

Just to avoid starting real shit here, I do see your point. There have been some interesting studies on "happiness" in relation to wealth / poverty.

https://medium.com/sojourners-heart/the-happiness-equation-does-poverty-effect-happiness-ecf12e9f83a

So, I guess to be fair, I should define the TYPE of happiness. If we're reducing happiness to just the most basic daily dopamine release (e.g. the "fulfillment" you feel after eating a nice meal), compared to a deeper "subjective" happiness that people get from fulfillment of dreams / goals (e.g. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs), the argument changes.

-FROM THE ARTICLE-
"A key factor in understanding a multidementional issue is to acknowledge there are more factors than just income that produces happiness. One of these factors is social comparison has an effect on how people rate their overall happiness."

"In conclusion of this study theyve found that there is an indirect effect on happiness because people with higher income levels do have a higher probability of finding employment and report higher levels of happiness. As well as education has a positive impact on happiness in the sense that it provides a sense of self-confidence and self-esteem leading to reported higher levels of happiness. If GDP, comparison in community, education, and quality of life factors all have an effect on happiness levels, what else plays a role in subjective happiness?"

So, fair enough. The last thing I want to do is minimize or downplay the affliction of people who are suffering. Poverty is a real issue. I guess I'm just referring more to the "subjective" (personal) happiness and fulfillment that deep-down, everyone wants (but can often be so hard to find, no matter where you are on the income scale).

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Mead posted...

wow what a shitty thing to say

you dont know anyone elses life or situation

Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. But, it's just reality (a sad reality, but reality nonetheless). Why do people keep thinking wealth will solve their problems? It simply CAN'T.

Also, my statement wasn't a knock against Steve Jobs in any way whatsoever. I have nothing but respect for the man.

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Cacciato posted...

Thats just something poor people say to make themselves feel better.

As for me personally, I'm actually pretty happy with the amount of money I make. My wife and I have income that far exceeds our expenses, so meh..., that's all I'm really shooting for.

By the logic of the argument, people like Michael Jackson, Prince, Chester Bennington, Amy Winehouse, Robin Williams, Phil Seymour Hoffman, Chris Farley, Heath Ledger, and Mitch Hedberg SHOULD have all felt fantastic about themselves due to their immense wealth and adoration of fans. Granted, some of their circumstances were legit painful (e.g. Kurt Cobain suffered from terrible chronic physical pain). But that just reinforces my point all the more. MONEY itself doesn't mean shit for lasting happiness. There will always be other factors, other layers, that need to be in place besides the money to find the fulfillment people desire. (Mind you, I'm not talking out of my ass with these examples. These are all well-known, documented cases of depression and suicidal failure IN SPITE of wealth / status / possessions / etc.).

Frankly don't understand how people can try to sell money as a solution to fulfillment, given so much overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Anyone who looks at real-life examples of people with wealth, and tries to claim that money makes you happy is either 1) in denial of reality, or 2) talking horseshit.

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Zangulus posted...

Someones never had to make medical decisions because of money.

I get what you're saying. But remember, Steve Jobs had all the money mankind could imagine, and it still didn't get him what he was hoping for. Life is going to catch up with you at some point anyway (again, regardless of the amount of money to your name).

The same rule I said about money correlating to happiness could be applied to other aspects of life as well (health / education / marital status / housing / etc. etc.)

For ALL aspects of life, merely possessing a desired wealth / relationship / status doesn't guarantee any actual FULFILLMENT. Like I said, it doesn't hurt, but even WITH it, there is zero guarantee of any happiness.

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Rule #1 of money: If you're not happy WITHOUT, you won't be happy WITH it (regardless of the amount).

Money is merely a tool that can do great things, but what gives actual meaning and fulfillment is what's accomplished with your tools given. For example, a mother can get just as much fulfillment from a 5-year-old son picking her a flower from a shrub in the front yard for Mother's Day (0 dollars) as a mother receiving a huge floral arrangement from an older son for Mother's Day ($50+). MONETARY value never guarantees any further EMOTIONAL value.

This is precisely why some of the wealthiest celebrities on the planet are also some of the most miserable. They realize that NO AMOUNT OF MONEY can guarantee actual happiness in life. Granted, it doesn't HURT, but happiness is going to take more than finances alone (time / effort / wisdom / etc.).

I mean..., I've stuck with this old sig all these years for a reason.

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Veedrock- posted...

That is not true. South Park even made a joke of it.

It was kind of like in the movie Gladiator. Hillary won in terms of facts, but Trump won the crowd (which, on election day, was all that really mattered).

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Meh

Trump had benefit of the doubt in 16, he doesn't get that again. People know how corrupt and incompetent he is now. It's going to motivate a lot of people and he hasn't expanded his support base.

I thought it was the exact opposite of this. Pretty much every poll under the sun showed Hillary winning in 2016. If ANYONE had the "benefit of the doubt" in that election, it was Hillary (by pretty much every measurable standard).

Mind you, that's not even counting the endless slew of bad PR that was levied against Trump ("grab them by the p____" / "Muslim ban" / mocking a disabled reporter / etc.). The biggest thing against Hillary was her email scandal, and thanks to Bernie himself, most of her voters gladly looked past that whole debacle.

Granted, as for how die-hard Trump's support is NOW (compared to 2016), it's difficult to actually measure, since his target base consists of people that don't typically participate in popularity polls, but DO actually come out to vote on election days (when the vote actually matters).

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For an old-ass man who constantly puts his foot in his mouth, it's surprising how much of a voter-base Joe still has. Do these people genuinely LIKE Joe Biden, or are they just trying to find somebody (ANYBODY) that has a shot a beating Trump?

There's no right or wrong answer here. Vote away, peeps!

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Ive seen so many people complaining that this first installment only gets you through Midgar (aka Disc 1 of the original release). Have people forgotten just how much raw content is in the original game? To exhaustively recreate ALL of that content at this level of quality would take more than a terabyte of PS4 space, easily. Battles aside, its reasonable to expect that much of the roaming / puzzles would be drastically toned down (e.g. the train yard in the slums). Can we not appreciate the fact that theyre actually finally pursuing this project at all? The barrage of people who were expecting a full-quality remake of every facet of the PS1 version for $60 are out-of-their-minds.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

there were some stupid decisions needed on the part of characters in order for the plot to work.
Axley spent enough on Kovacs' sleeve to steal the design from the protectorate and add special upgrades, but not enough to make it untraceable as stolen protectorate property.
In 300 years Jaeger apparently never realized that it was sending Kovacs on a mission to kill his sister that made him question his loyalties.
Quell has no memory of making a bargain with an Elder, then when she does regain her memory doesn't mention it until after the Elder has been separated from her.

I guess Quell knew Kovacs would have still resisted her on upholding the deal anyway, so why bring it up. That was sorta beaten to death through the whole season, seeing how she purposefully kept secrets from him, knowing he would act out on his feelings rather than objectively looking at what's best for the situation.

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I guess now that I've finished watching, I can go back and see the spoilers people were talking about.

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hypnox posted...

I miss the comic relief from the first season. Seems like S2 doesnt have any. Like S1 with the grandmother in the biker dude sleave was super funny.

Well, I finally finished watching S2, and I agree. This season was more heavy-handed. Ironically, even though they were more dark with the story, the graphic violence and nudity was toned down compared to S1, aside from when the Governor was re-spun up towards the end.

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So Falconer can control Ion Cannons with her mind. Convenient...

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Aculo posted...

i can respect this, i was going to do something similar, but i couldn't stop playing once i started.

was surprised how long it lasted, tbh. i figured for sure, they would have ended it just before the guard scorpion fight, but they kept in that boss fight, and the whole escape sequence, ok?

To be fair, that's exactly what they did with the original FF7 demo back-in-the-day. I remembered playing the hell out of that demo, and running around the starting area, just to explore what I could.

So, they stayed pretty much true-to-form. Enough to build hype, but not enough to cheapen the full experience.

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Cellfix posted...

Christopher Titus

Especially his first show dealing with suicide, mental illness, substans abuse, domestic violence and lots more.

I particularly liked his bit on racism.

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I'm not just talking about the FUNNIEST comedians. Which comedians do you think present the most intelligent points on stage? For example, when George Carlin was alive, he would often talk about actual, serious issues making many valid, sometimes even harsh points (though it was "masked" in humor, to make it easier to digest).

Which comedians do you think are the most intelligent and thought-provoking???

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