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TopicWhat's the stronger motivational force: pleasure or pain?
meisnewbie
09/05/11 11:45:00 PM
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CeraSeptem posted...
Uh most emphatically no. Torture is a good way of extracting information yes, but whether it's accurate information is very questionable. Might i point out that torture was used to convict defendants in the Salem witch trials?

If you torture someone who simply was not speaking, they will say something. They may lie, but they'll talk.

If you promise them all the riches in the world, even if you could prove you meant it, I would wager they're still far less likely to even speak.

Torture is a far more effective method of interrogation. It's just not particularly useful, but that's not the question.


Your criteria is nonsensical and not based in fact. Why should we care about whether someone speaks or not? I mean, if you get arbitrary enough, I'm pretty sure someone tortured via waterboarding would have a lot harder time speaking during torture than someone offered some amount of money to say a word, any word. Like, sure you're claiming that someone is far more likely to act based off of torture, most likely based off your internal model of how you would act, but such a model is by no means representative of how other people or even yourself would act.

This isn't even counting the fact that you don't make any justification for why you consider the incredibly vague term "torture" equivalent to "all the riches in the world" and while it may seem like only a semantics squabble, and that you actually just mean "any really pleasurable event" it really isn't. There's a big difference between, let's say "all the riches in the world" or "the ability to experience the maximal amount of pleasure possible for X amount of time" or "harem of 50 raven haired Brazilian belly dancers (if you were so inclined)" simply because it may be that torture simply cannot be negated by anything we can do now or that it's harder to think of what specific things you can do with X amount of money rather than picking for someone.

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