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AlecTrevelyan006 09/10/11 10:20:00 PM #42:	Most writers and directors and other people in the business are men. They usually can't write good women. The tropes that most writers fall on for women tend to be more annoying than those of men. For example, I often don't like Lily much for the same reason I don't like Carla on Scrubs, because she is the trope of "I must be in control of everybody else's lives FOR THEIR OWN GOOD". The whole maternal instinct towards adults tends to piss me off. You rarely see that with male characters. There's plenty of other bad traps that people fall into for female characters and when it gets down to it, if you're going to do a few hundred episodes of a show, you're going to fall back on the standards at some point. Of course, there are similar problems with "double standards" (for lack of a better word) in real life. "Positive" traits in men and women are different. Unfortunately, many of the traits that make for "likeable" female characters often do not make for good drama/comedy. From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer \| #009 I hate when Ted says "dude" or "bro" Josh Radnor is really bad at selling Ted as being cool Ted isn't cool though. He just tries to be. I thought that was the whole point. -- http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/sihp/waluigi.gif <cite>AlecTrevelyan006 posted [p:318601] in why is lil... [t:60288901]...</cite> <quote> Most writers and directors and other people in the business are men. They usually can't write good women. The tropes that most writers fall on for women tend to be more annoying than those of men.For example, I often don't like Lily much for the same reason I don't like Carla on Scrubs, because she is the trope of "I must be in control of everybody else's lives FOR THEIR OWN GOOD". The whole maternal instinct towards adults tends to piss me off. You rarely see that with male characters.There's plenty of other bad traps that people fall into for female characters and when it gets down to it, if you're going to do a few hundred episodes of a show, you're going to fall back on the standards at some point. Of course, there are similar problems with "double standards" (for lack of a better word) in real life. "Positive" traits in men and women are different. Unfortunately, many of the traits that make for "likeable" female characters often do not make for good drama/comedy. From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer \| #009I hate when Ted says "dude" or "bro"Josh Radnor is really bad at selling Ted as being coolTed isn't cool though. He just tries to be. I thought that was the whole point. -- http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/sihp/waluigi.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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why is lily such a terrible, awful character?

AlecTrevelyan006
09/10/11 10:20:00 PM
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Most writers and directors and other people in the business are men. They usually can't write good women. The tropes that most writers fall on for women tend to be more annoying than those of men.

For example, I often don't like Lily much for the same reason I don't like Carla on Scrubs, because she is the trope of "I must be in control of everybody else's lives FOR THEIR OWN GOOD". The whole maternal instinct towards adults tends to piss me off. You rarely see that with male characters.

There's plenty of other bad traps that people fall into for female characters and when it gets down to it, if you're going to do a few hundred episodes of a show, you're going to fall back on the standards at some point.

Of course, there are similar problems with "double standards" (for lack of a better word) in real life. "Positive" traits in men and women are different. Unfortunately, many of the traits that make for "likeable" female characters often do not make for good drama/comedy.

From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #009
I hate when Ted says "dude" or "bro"

Josh Radnor is really bad at selling Ted as being cool

Ted isn't cool though. He just tries to be. I thought that was the whole point.

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        Most writers and directors and other people in the business are men. They usually can't write good women. The tropes that most writers fall on for women tend to be more annoying than those of men.For example, I often don't like Lily much for the same reason I don't like Carla on Scrubs, because she is the trope of "I must be in control of everybody else's lives FOR THEIR OWN GOOD".  The whole maternal instinct towards adults tends to piss me off. You rarely see that with male characters.There's plenty of other bad traps that people fall into for female characters and when it gets down to it, if you're going to do a few hundred episodes of a show, you're going to fall back on the standards at some point. Of course, there are similar problems with "double standards" (for lack of a better word) in real life. "Positive" traits in men and women are different. Unfortunately, many of the traits that make for "likeable" female characters often do not make for good drama/comedy. From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #009I hate when Ted says "dude" or "bro"Josh Radnor is really bad at selling Ted as being coolTed isn't cool though. He just tries to be. I thought that was the whole point.
        
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