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Topic	Since it's Politic season, anybody here still upset about the DNC...
SecretBase 02/06/24 5:54:49 PM #23:	Kradek posted... His media team was far shittier. In 2016 he had Anita Sanders, I think her name was. Good point. But it was hardly preventable. The people he hired were the best people he could hire. 2020's primary was a lot more active than 2016's, and thus there was stiffer competition for staff hires. Many progressives drifted to Warren and younger candidates. Symone Sanders switched to Biden's of all campaigns. He was basically left with aggressive progressive, dirtbag left types who were out of touch with the silent majority. He can't just magically get unavailable talent to work with him. So while this is a metric where one could solidly claim he declined I'm not sure how personally at fault he was. Kradek posted... She had great outreach and focused on trying to court non-white support for Sanders. According to his performance in the early states (and polling, though many don't count it) his 2020 base was slightly more diverse than his 2016 base. ( https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/latest-democratic-polls.html ) Thing is the rise in minority support coincided with a drop in white support. This created an issue for him. While he was able to win in 2020 a couple of states with large minority populations (Nevada and California) that he lost in 2016, he was never going to be able to win similar states after the party united behind Biden. While the white states Bernie had in 2016 are more prone to flipping off the Democratic party and voting for outsiders, allowing Bernie to keep winning states even after he lost Super Tuesday to Hillary. Minority states don't often do that, so after Bernie lost Super Tuesday to Biden he also lost basically every other state that votes too. You can adjust your messaging to make inroads with minorities, but I'm not sure how to do so without also losing whites. LoZguy709 posted... He doesn't have to do anything wrong for another candidate to be preferable Yes, that was my point in the quoted post. The political climate shifted to one where his brand was even less preferable than before. I don't actually see any road for Bernie to have put together a majority coalition in the 2020 particular primary. Even gaining a plurality lead at all was a miracle. My post wasn't intended to question a "I don't like Bernie" stance but specifically a "Bernie fucked up" stance. I think his perfornance closely matched the tools available to him. LoZguy709 posted... because their political positions are more realistically achievable as president and because the latter candidate is more realistically electable, given the same political positions Subjective, but I understand why some might make those assumptions. --- Stop it. Get some help. <cite>SecretBase posted [p:978693666] in Since it's... [t:80688580]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted...</cite><quote>His media team was far shittier. In 2016 he had Anita Sanders, I think her name was. </quote>Good point. But it was hardly preventable. The people he hired were the best people he could hire. 2020's primary was a lot more active than 2016's, and thus there was stiffer competition for staff hires. Many progressives drifted to Warren and younger candidates. Symone Sanders switched to Biden's of all campaigns. He was basically left with aggressive progressive, dirtbag left types who were out of touch with the silent majority.He can't just magically get unavailable talent to work with him. So while this is a metric where one could solidly claim he declined I'm not sure how personally at fault he was.Kradek posted...</cite><quote>She had great outreach and focused on trying to court non-white support for Sanders.</quote>According to his performance in the early states (and polling, though many don't count it) his 2020 base was slightly more diverse than his 2016 base. ( https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/latest-democratic-polls.html ) Thing is the rise in minority support coincided with a drop in white support.This created an issue for him. While he was able to win in 2020 a couple of states with large minority populations (Nevada and California) that he lost in 2016, he was never going to be able to win similar states after the party united behind Biden. While the white states Bernie had in 2016 are more prone to flipping off the Democratic party and voting for outsiders, allowing Bernie to keep winning states even after he lost Super Tuesday to Hillary. Minority states don't often do that, so after Bernie lost Super Tuesday to Biden he also lost basically every other state that votes too.You can adjust your messaging to make inroads with minorities, but I'm not sure how to do so without also losing whites.LoZguy709 posted...</cite><quote>He doesn't have to do anything wrong for another candidate to be preferable</quote>Yes, that was my point in the quoted post. The political climate shifted to one where his brand was even less preferable than before. I don't actually see any road for Bernie to have put together a majority coalition in the 2020 particular primary. Even gaining a plurality lead at all was a miracle.My post wasn't intended to question a "I don't like Bernie" stance but specifically a "Bernie fucked up" stance. I think his perfornance closely matched the tools available to him.LoZguy709 posted...</cite><quote>because their political positions are more realistically achievable as president and because the latter candidate is more realistically electable, given the same political positions</quote>Subjective, but I understand why some might make those assumptions. --- Stop it. Get some help.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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