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ButteryMales posted...

Correlation doesn't equal causation. Gay marriage wasn't legal before 2015 so that correlates just as much. I believe the Overton window shifted enough that people were wanting more than Obamacare. Obama passing a half measure gave people a taste of what countries with better healthcare systems have.

None of that is really contradictory to what I'm saying. The problem Democrats had was that one faction of the party, the one you're referring to in your post, got a lot more progressive really quickly in a way that was unsettling for the rest of the party, and that resulted in a divide that was so spiteful that Democrats have had struggles pulling consistent numbers since then, and when they do have good numbers, it's in response to Republicans getting away with some bullshit thanks to this divide.

Edit: If you mean in reference to this all being thanks to Bernie, take what I said more as a time approximation because he came onto the scene at about the same time gay marriage was legalized, but Bernie did help cement a resentment in people toward the status quo and it will be really difficult to convince me that didn't lead to voter apathy among the left. Again, I like Bernie Sanders overall, but I'll admit that it's hard at times for me to separate him from the hostility that came from so many of his supporters.