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closetjpopfan posted...

Russia's objective is not the "extermination" of Ukraine though... That's another war.

Well, the extermination of the Ukraine as a sovereign country... I guess. But then what's new. Not like say the USA has never done something similar, etc.

I'm not saying yes, Ukraine should surrender, no question about it. I'm asking, is there really no limit to the price of freedom? How many more need to die? How much deeper in misery does a country need to go down? It's a question, no matter how uncomfortable.

No matter how reasonable you people try to make it sound, you always make it sound like surrendering will somehow lessen the deaths and misery of the Ukrainian people. They are resisting as hard as they are precisely because they know that's not true.

Russia has promised to kill Ukraine as a nation and identity, we've seen how they rape, torture, and murder occupied cities/towns that have been reclaimed, they've taken over a nuclear power plant and have handled its security very stupidly and intentionally irresponsibly (which is a threat to pretty much all of Western Europe due to nuclear fallout), they intentionally target civilians through both military attacks and damaging utility infrastructure, and we know that they've stolen a plethora of citizens and sent them into Russia proper for who knows what.

I truly don't understand how anybody could be foolish enough to think appeasing Putin here would somehow end/mitigate the misery of the Ukrainian people. If anything you'd exacerbate it because he knows he has cart blanche to do whatever he wants with the country.

The world already tried appeasing him when he invaded and stole Crimea, thinking it would prevent him wanting more and yet here we are.

The Ukrainian people are fighting because they know they need to, they know what surrender to Russia means, the rest of the world just needs to support their self-defense.