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conduit posted...

This is the exact same pathological aggression that Israelis have towards Palestinians and the rationale that their government use to justify the 17-year illegal blockade of over 2 million people and commit mass murder of women and children. If we enact harsh enough punishment on the civilian population eventually it will cause them to overthrow their oppressive rulers.

Not only does this not work, it's counter-productive as it only reinforces the enemy's propaganda narrative, makes the population hate you and pushes them further into the arms of their authoritarian rulers who rely on using external threats (whether actual or perceived) to bolster nationalist ideologies, justify their own claims to power and crackdown on political dissent. Totalitarian regimes use fear to control people. Punishing the population (especially one that has virtually no democratic rights) often just reinforces that fear and leads people to seek the protection offered by authoritarian strongmen.

Yeah, Ukraine should go full berserk mode and invade Russia when it is outnumbered 7-1 on the battlefield and cannot even break the deadlock in it's own country. That will definitely cause Putin to run away with his tail between his legs, the war will be over and we can all live happily ever after.

Are there no moderates here who believe a negotiated end to the war is possible, even preferable? Or are we still stuck in the mass delusion that "war is the only option", and anyone who disagrees is obviously a traitor and shill for the enemy?

https://quincyinst.org/research/the-diplomatic-path-to-a-secure-ukraine/#

russia started a war of aggression by invading ukraine and is currently still waging a genocidal war in ukraine. peace is prefferable, but anything less than russia fully withdrawing would just be appeasement bullshit that already failed in ukraine and has historically always failed in geopolitics.

ukraine is a sovereign nation and their position is that any peace will require full russian withdrawl from all occupied territory.

appeasement didnt work when neville chamberlain tried it and it didnt work when the world let russia take the crimea. russia will just rebuild its forces and invade again if their illegal war isnt crushed in its tracks.

if ukraine is willing to fight for the survival of their nation and autonomy the world should be willing to support them in every material way possible. if russia is allowed to take what they want both recent and world history has shown that they will just move on to the next thing they covet and start the process over again