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Toonstrack posted...

Lukes character didnt do a 180. Hes completely consistent with how luke is in the OT. He just kept his flaws; which kids in the 80s didn't perceive.

It ignored all of Luke's character development in the OT and turned him into a cranky get off my lawn guy,. His death was a complete joke

2. Side quest was both relevant to the plot of the film and what the heroes were trying to do, AND expanded on the movies central theme.

lame side quest is still lame, it was more boring than Anakin and Padme on Naboo in Ep. 2 at the end of the day we could have skipped it entirely and changed virtually nothing.

3. You absolutely did not think rose was a turn coat because she was clesrly saving finn from a suicide kamikaze run in the movie when she does this.

You mean she it looked like she attempted to kamikaze Finn herself seriously I don't how the hell we could expect anyone to survive that other than PiS

4. Drawn out chase? Its a good thing they break it up with not one but two side plots then!

All 3 sucked and didn't make a watchable movie.

5. Holdo caused exactly zero problems. The bad guys, and poe being poe caused those problems. Holdo just prevented poe from doing exactly what poe telegraphed he would do. Which would've gotten them all killed. Compartmentalization same as nick fury.

Holdo came out of no where with no explanation, and if Nick were in a situation he was trapped on a ship he would have shown actual signs of leadership instead of standing there with a smug look and a half baked plan.

6. Leia has always been force capable. If you didn't know this before tlj you were not paying attention.

Of course she is doesn't make the scene less stupid

7. Poe isnt an idiot. Hes a hothead; thats consistent character writing to write him like an impulsive hot head. We've known this since epsidoe 7, when he tried to one shot *kylo ren* while being outnumbered and outrun by an entire stormtroopers fleet... alone. Thats not a flaw of the movie. Thats a strength.

Except the movie goes out of it's way to demean Poe

8. Here finn gets character development and grows a motive beyond just chasing after rey?

Yeah Finn had more character development in the first ten minutes of TFA than in TLJ and RoS combined.

9.Where was snoke a joke in this movie I'm? He did the exact same thing he did in 7. Actually he did more.. in 7 hes a crippled old man threatening a young villain. In this movie that young villain finally stops taking his crap and kills him.. where is there a joke there?

he's a caricature in 8 and gets the 2nd lamest death in the series (next to Luke)

10. All the ships are introduced for tension... they arent real lmao. Same as why in ESB the heroes are using ships shaped like pancakes to fight against the At At walkers and the falcon is out of commission all of a sudden. Because of dramatic tension. Also how is it impractical? It literslly works in the movie.

Snowspeeders are light aircrafts that at least are very maneuverable in the arctic tundra. Those bombers had about as much defensive capabilities defense as your standard Goomba in a Mario game, and with how big and slow they were they shouldn't have been able to bomb anything other than a nursing home. It took suicide bombing PiS for it to work, at least ESB had a creative solution.

Name one plot point JJ actually set up that Ryan "ruined". All JJ "set up" were mystery boxes he never intended to answer, which he always does. Blaming rian for actually answering them is nonsensical.

Luke leaving a map behind for when the galaxy needed him, reaches out cautiously towards his Lightsaber just has a go away attitude and ruin the weight of his return
Finn seemingly being force sensitive
Snoke being the main bad guy and what he was going to bring to the table
Rey's Parents
Phasma
Knights of Ren (which did get revealed in RoS but they were completely ignored in TFA which made them much more shoehorned inn)
Finn being unconscious and on deaths door meant nothing at all

Posts like thus highlight how weak the arguments against TLJ are. You have to achieve deny the existence of character writing and development to make them because most of them are just there to dress up the gripes about luke.

the whole movie was drag and had the most boring solutions and all the plots were written and executed like filler