LogFAQs > #986009416

DrizztLink posted...

Because the burden of proof is on the claim.

According to basic study design protocols, you don't say "prove the advantage does not exist," you say "prove the existence of the advantage."

Wouldn't asking for inclusion in established Women's sports, be akin to stating that there is no advantage over biological female athlete's? Thus trans-women are making the claim there is no advantage due to their sex. Women's sports already makes it clear, by its existence, that there is a clear biological difference between Male and Female athletes.

MC_BatCommander posted...

No. Burden of proof is on the people making the claim.

"Trans athletes have an advantage" is the claim.

"No they don't and here's why" is the counter.

Now it's on the original party to prove otherwise, and the fact that they have never bothered to do so should tell you volumes.

Actually the default position of the "original party" is that sports are divided by sex due to biological differences between the sexes, with males having physical advantage over females. The introduction of trans-athletes makes the claim there are no differences and thus no advantages.

El_Dustino posted...

Women's sports were established to be played by... women. Which trans women are. Sounds like a flawed attempt at an argument.

EDIT: Dang did not see the post before mine make the same argument oh well.

EDIT EDIT: Though the "trans women are intruding on women's spaces" language is really gross and makes me wonder how hypothetical this devil's advocate is.

I've never hid my opinions on trans issues. My only concern is finding the facts. This has been made extremely difficult as most ppl today will allow their biases to lead them to their own desired outcomes.

If you must know, I believe trans-women do have a base advantage over female athletes. What I really want to know is if this "advantage" is within acceptable tolerance akin to female athletes who have naturally occurring advantages, such as height or high-T. If it is not, can it truly be mitigated? If not by the current standards, then by what efforts would make the trans-athletes in-question acceptable, indisputably?