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ImagineUsngAlts posted...

A KKK member isn't technically a criminal either. One can acknowledge the harm they caused society is even worse than many criminals. It seems you're just basing your belief here on social values that have been pushed by the supremacist elites, not by actual logical values people can reason out. And that itself is part of the problem. The system, that you're upholding the values of, is the problem right now.

Are you saying that people should be allowed to mock a murder victim if they're right-wing or trying to get people to sign on to a revolution? I'm starting to get whiplash trying to piece through this post.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

The issue here may be the harsh profanity but "thoughts and prayers bozo" and the bait and switch from the somber phrase to the insult is amusing.

"Thoughts and prayers, bozo" is not what she said, though; "Thoughts and prayers, you Nazi bitch" is. That's not amusing or joking, that's just a straight up insult.

If you're going to defend her statement, at least have the intellectual honesty to call it what it is. You're allowed to try and defend her statement as within the bounds of what should be tolerable conduct, but don't try to insult people's intelligence with the, "She was only joking, guys!" angle - again, that's a MAGA trick that they use to defend Trump's bullshit when he says something outlandish. You're better than that.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

That left wingers shouldn't be forced to constantly gag themselves, making them not just look but be weak and impotent while their oppositions can do the flashy and savage jabs that it's clear most of society is drawn to.

Again, why are you using MAGA as a role model? Why are you looking at the sort of bullshit that Trump, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, and, yes, Charlie Kirk himself trafficked in and saying, "Hey, we should do that too, except on the left!"?

Remember when we all pointed at Trump's insane blather and recognized it for what it was? Can we go back to that? Why are we now saying, "They can do it, so we should too!"?

Just because MAGA has done its best to carve out a space where they can behave like rabid baboons doesn't mean you need to emulate them.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

There's no trying to reach across the table with them.
Trying to insist so enlightened centrism.

At no point have I suggested "reaching across the table" to MAGA and the far-right. This is just straw-manning.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

And what kirk does would be hate speech so he'd be a criminal thus mocking his death shouldn't be an issue. The fact that you put more stock in the corrupt American laws than the actual idealogy of things says a lot.

But Kirk's not from my country; he's from the US. And what he said was legal there.

And yes, that does make a difference. He followed the laws as Americans have set them. That means American society, as a gestalt whole, has said that what he did is acceptable - or, at least, not unacceptable enough to face formal punishment. If you disagree, get the laws changed. If American society is as on your side as you seem to believe, that should be very much doable.