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ImagineUsngAlts posted...

How about "a murder victim can be mocked if they're part of a hate group that actively pushes discrimination for groups to be oppressed and has significantly contributed to systems that do so to the point they've harmed just as much if not more than most criminals"?

So let's say Barrack Obama was assassinated tomorrow. Shot in the throat, same as Charlie Kirk.

Then out come the redcaps mocking his death, saying how glad they are he's dead, laughing at him for fighting gun control but ultimately dying to a gun, the works. You decide to call one of them out - they point out that Obama oversaw an extensive drone campaign in Iraq that killed hundreds if not thousands of civilians.

Is that aboveboard in your world or no?

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

Dictators are technically not criminals.

You're taking the piss now, surely.

"Dictators are not criminals?" Really? Ignoring that this is blatantly incorrect, are you seriously attempting to advance that argument?

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

It's the same thing. Nazi bitch is just harsher.

Yes, and that's the point. "Jokes" aren't supposed to be "harsh", they're supposed to be funny.

Gretchen wasn't calling him a Nazi bitch so that people would giggle - she was mocking his death by saying, in essence, that he got what he deserved.

Again, at least have the intellectual honesty to be real about what she was saying. We can do without the "What she actually meant was..." Trumpist bullshit, thank you.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

Again, the fact that you think these are equal is more an indication which direction you lean more towards.

Oh yes, the guy who has spent the whole topic talking about what a piece of shit Charlie Kirk was and how the left shouldn't be copying MAGA because MAGA are trash is totally a right-winger. Brilliant deduction, Holmes.

And no, I don't think the two things you mentioned are equal, that is just more strawmanning from you and I'm getting a bit annoyed with it. Two things can both be wrong without being equally wrong. If I say petty theft and murder are both bad, that does not mean that I consider the two actions equal.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

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Got some bitter medicine for you here, bud - pointing out how you're eagerly going down the same road MAGA has trod is not "same things, both sides". I get that people don't like having their hypocrisy pointed out, but it's needed from time to time. I may not be from the US, but the rest of the world benefits from the US not sliding any further into insanity than it already has. I'm not doing this because I think "both sides bad"; I'm doing this because I don't want the left to turn into blue MAGA.

Be better.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

Then why are you pearl clutching at a nazi's death getting made fun of? Who's that supposed to appeal to?

Exactly who I've been talking to this entire topic - those on the American left who, as I've said several times so far, represent the last part of the American political system that's still somewhat sane. Again, I have no sympathy for Charlie Kirk and I'm certainly not doing this for his sake; I'm doing this for the sake of those in the US who represent the only hope of a return to good governance.

The right abandoned years ago the idea of calling one another out for their excesses and instead fell into the trap of purity tests and hatred. We don't need that shit infecting the left as well.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

So I guess in places where abortion is illegal you support people getting charged for it? You support LGBT people being arrested in places where it's illegal?

Nope, I do not, because those things are morally wrong.

You're talking about two different issues now - these examples are criminalizing "conduct"; what we're discussing is criminalizing "speech". The two are not going to have the same standards applied to them.