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Mewtwo59 posted...

I really don't get how someone can dislike a guy because all he does is complain for an entire season and then put Rachel of all people first. Maybe she wasn't complaining here like on TAR, but you could swap Vince for Rachel in everything you ever said about Vince and that's my exact feelings on TAR Rachel. The only time she was ever more than a negative on my TV screen in three seasons of TAR was when Chris & Bret gave her karmic retribution, and even that didn't last long because I had to listen to her whine for the rest of the leg until she was finally eliminated.

Underleveled posted...

I don't know for Vis specifically but I firmly hold the belief that the overwhelming majority of Rachel fans (especially those on Reddit and Sucks) would revile a man who behaved exactly like her.

I think Vis used the words "visceral distain" to describe their feelings towards Vince in the last topic and that was how I felt about Rachel. Like, I actually had to stop watching the season because her behavior combined with the fact that so many fans enjoy it was infuriating me to a point where it legitimately didn't seem good for my mental health.

First off, it's the STYLE of the complaining. You can complain about something and be fun to watch if you're charismatic. Rachel Reilly is a very flamboyant personality, so whether she's happy or sad, she's going to be going 110%. Now, I can understand disliking that, but for me, it shows her passion for anything she does. Hell, her appearance on Amazing Race 31 with Elissa is my second-favorite team in the show's history. Now per darkx's point, I will acknowledge that her personality would not hit the same way coming from a man...but that's largely because there are just different societal factors at play; guys who make big, showy television tend to be more beloved by the audience as a whole (see: Keanu winning AFP with 65% of the vote), and their passion tends to be seen as a positive compared to the equivalent passion from a woman.

None of the above applies to Vince though, because even though we saw him throw a temper tantrum at the end of the season, for the most part, he just wasn't even remotely entertaining. The thing about Rachel is that her dramatics and whining are outward-facing, so she winds up in conflict and causing drama, and bringing out the best in everyone else around her. With Vince, he had SO MUCH power and control--more than Rachel did this season despite fears of a returnee dominating--yet when anything got even remotely difficult, he turned into this sniveling weasel, whining and crying about how bad he is and how hard things are. That's not exciting and it's not entertaining. And this was THE main character of the season. Rachel and Keanu were BIG characters, but Vince was the main character ALL season. All roads led to Vince, and he wound up with the fourth-most Diary Rooms for a single season EVER...and he lacks ANY of the necessary charisma to make that work.