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ssjevot posted...

You keep ignoring that all the military leaders were in agreement it wasn't actually necessary to kill civilians and yet, here you go making up excuses. Just like you did in this topic. It isn't either you support killing civilians or you support a genocide. That's a fake dilemma you made up to defend American war crimes.

I'm not gonna get into derailing this.

The fact is at the time, Japan's offer to surrender was not a real one. They wished to keep their wartime holdings and continue the genocides they were committing against the native populace. I provided you with evidence of this. You ignored it. It's not worth debating with you because you spam the same quotes, ignore contrary evidence and anything from anyone else but what you've already decided.

What you refuse to consider is that new information has come to light over the course of decades thanks to other perspectives, document declassifications etc.

We know far more than we did in 1945. We now know more about the internal Japanese politics than most of the top brass did then, too. You cannot just cite the personal opinions involved and ignore literal decades of new evidence, scholarship and analysis.

The fact is regardless of what Herbert Hoover felt, Japan's offer to surrender was "we give up nothing, we keep the land we conquered, we have immunity to warcrimes. Deal?"