I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power
guess we'll see in the tourney
He was matching Goku blow for blow and casually blocked a Kamehameha all while holding back. You'd have to be blind to ignore his bullshit power jump. Honestly I doubt he's exactly their level, but he's very clearly just below SSJB, which is pretty stupid and inconsistent. Though I guess expecting consistency from Toei is a bit of a pipe dream.
Of course he had a power jump, I get that he's been training these past years and I even like the idea that Android's get stronger
But I still get the feeling Goku was going easy on him in SSB like he was with Krillin. And I doubt he blocked the Kamehameha while holding back casually, he put up and shield, grunted, then the shield failed
But his demeanor barely even changes, and he literally used a single hand to do it lol. And 17 was holding back, so the poor excuse people used for Krillin simply doesn't work here. It barely even worked for Krillin, but considering 17 said he was holding back, it sure as hell doesn't work here.
what I said still stands, we won't know his power level until the tourney starts
we just know they were both holding back, I'm just assuming Goku was holding back much more
Your point about 17 not holding back doesn't still stand. And you're very clearly intentionally underestimating 17, when the fact of the matter is that Toei has proven that they don't give much of a damn about power levels.
And 17 getting as powerful as he did, or Piccolo, or even Krillin is all still bullshit ---