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TopicIm confused...didn't Trump HAVE to condemn both sides?
Funkydog
08/17/17 10:46:03 AM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Funkydog posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
As hideous and disgusting as the alt-right, Neo-Nazis, and the white supremacists message is, the left, mainly Antifa, did go there looking for a fight. It's outright unacceptable and damn vile that a person had to die expressing her first amendment right.

Anybody that thinks that only one side is to blame is either delusional or just plain trolling. It's like blaming just one side for all the gang violence inside an inner city. Is it the Cripts fault, is it the Bloods fault, or is it both sides fault?

Perhaps. But how would you feel if he said "both sides are bad" in response to any other terror attack? He calls other terrorists sad and thugs, but in this case "some of them are good people" - it is a severe change in language to his usual kind. And for a group of people with nazis among them.


In a vacuum, I'd agree. But this attack happened in the context of a year of escalating violence between antifa and the groups it counter-protests against, not all of whom are white identitarians.

Surely anyone who saw the footage of the guy taking a bike lock to the head knew it was only a matter of time before someone was killed.

This has been building for a while. The only appropriate response is to call out the violence on all sides. Unless of course, you're pushing for more violence, which admittedly a lot of people are.

The violence on both sides was not good, no. but what Luigi said is fueling the anger against Trump.

luigi13579 posted...
On his speeches, I think it's more the way that Trump handled them. The fact that he took so long to condemn the neo-Nazis by name played right into their hands. A lot of them believed that he was on their side, and when he refused to call them out specifically, they took that as implicit support (see the Daily Stormer response to the speech, for example).

If he'd specifically condemned the neo-Nazis straight away and then condemned all violence, I don't think so many people would have criticized him. The fact that he took so long initially, and then backtracked again, emboldened the neo-Nazis.

Only one side (between the neo-Nazis and counter-protesters, that is) has given support for Trump (and criticizing them would at least answer that question) and only one has an ideology that is inherently violent, hateful, racist, etc. (at least to the extent that it is).


If he intends to or not, he comes across as wanting to shy away from condeming nazi ideology, and trying to be "fair and equal " in blame when he almost never has for matters before. He has proven time and time again he doesn't hold back and strikes with all his fury. But this terror attack, he is suddenly reserved and proper? It doesn't make sense.
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