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Topic	You shouldn't support or defend Antifa
_RETS_ 08/18/17 11:22:17 AM #32:	justaguy3492 posted... TheMikh posted... WW2 taught me that Nazis and Communists both commit awful atrocities, and that one should stand strong against both. Who says antifa is communist? I understand where you're coming from, but the ideologies of antifa are much more loose than that of the neo-nazis. The reason I don't give antifa as much flack is because they seem to be a reactionary movement against these extremist bigoted ideas. Were it not for the people calling for the removal of immigrants, racial purity, or any other nonsense, then antifa wouldn't exist. Do they mess up and attack people who aren't fascists? Yeah they do and that should be condemned, but when there are nazis marching in the streets with blunt instruments and tiki torches, sorry, but I want an opposing force there confronting them. Absolutely, but you are giving a group the authority to determine the conditions. This time they were right. They are often wrong. And that is not something to be accepted or upheld as noble. And if they are a reactionary effect, it can be assumed that the alt-right will also see reactionary growth. There is no perfect way to stop all of this shit, but violence is far from the top of the list. The alt-right, for the most part, is an impotent minority. This past weekend doesn't change that but because of this past weekend, the minority got a little bigger. They've been condemned from both sides of the aisle, which is a good thing. And if both sides are working on a solution, then that is a step in the right direction. But having what are essentially vigilantes going after who they think deserve it (again, them being right in this case is irrelevant), undermines any legitimate effort to snuff out the problem. Pretty much everyone can agree that there is nothing more unamerican than supporting Nazism. In fact, the country was last at its best and most unified when we were joining forces to eliminate them in WW2. The vast, vast majority of people agree they should be dealt with. But having a radical, reactionary faction attacking them is not the way to do it because when they are wrong it strengthens the opposition. obviously from a civil rights standpoint we had a long way to go, but in terms of unity for a cause the country was at its best <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:885003512] in You should... [t:75683493]...</cite> <quote><cite>justaguy3492 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote>WW2 taught me that Nazis and Communists both commit awful atrocities, and that one should stand strong against both. </quote> Who says antifa is communist? I understand where you're coming from, but the ideologies of antifa are much more loose than that of the neo-nazis. The reason I don't give antifa as much flack is because they seem to be a reactionary movement against these extremist bigoted ideas. Were it not for the people calling for the removal of immigrants, racial purity, or any other nonsense, then antifa wouldn't exist. Do they mess up and attack people who aren't fascists? Yeah they do and that should be condemned, but when there are nazis marching in the streets with blunt instruments and tiki torches, sorry, but I want an opposing force there confronting them.</quote> Absolutely, but you are giving a group the authority to determine the conditions. This time they were right. They are often wrong. And that is not something to be accepted or upheld as noble. And if they are a reactionary effect, it can be assumed that the alt-right will also see reactionary growth. There is no perfect way to stop all of this shit, but violence is far from the top of the list. The alt-right, for the most part, is an impotent minority. This past weekend doesn't change that but because of this past weekend, the minority got a little bigger. They've been condemned from both sides of the aisle, which is a good thing. And if both sides are working on a solution, then that is a step in the right direction. But having what are essentially vigilantes going after who they think deserve it (again, them being right in this case is irrelevant), undermines any legitimate effort to snuff out the problem. Pretty much everyone can agree that there is nothing more unamerican than supporting Nazism. In fact, the country was last at its best and most unified when we were joining forces to eliminate them in WW2. The vast, vast majority of people agree they should be dealt with. But having a radical, reactionary faction attacking them is not the way to do it because when they are wrong it strengthens the opposition. obviously from a civil rights standpoint we had a long way to go, but in terms of unity for a cause the country was at its best</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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