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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 4:16:14 PM #96:	banananor posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure. i think you may want to take a step back and think about how you ended up with your gut on one side from the start it's a pretty interesting experience like obviously reading between your lines you have a basic assumption that all people are leeches upon society All I have is an awareness of all the ways I've spent the government's money. Looking at the things I have access, to they cost a lot. It's not a BAD thing when people take out more than they put in. It's the entire point of our infrastructure, that people who can't be productive enough to meaningfully contribute to it can still, say, have a smart phone and internet and air conditioning and transportation. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer or engineer, but lawfully residing in the US makes it way easier to live comfortably than most places. I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question. Peace___Frog posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible. you'll notice that my response to your initial post was to clarify that some of those costs are to private businesses and not the government, if you please Sure, but it's not always to private businesses. My HIV medication has a government-sponsored copay help program. Or if someone gets in a crash with a government employee or something. edit: didn't see this HaRRicH posted... Here's a source about Kansas in the meanwhile: 6/21/2017 TWITTER - Joy Reed (author) Kansans who voted for deportations & a wall discover that elections have consequences. Wait til they get what they asked for on healthcare. https://t.co/klQ0SVQFPa IN RESPONSE TO BUSINESSWEEK Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877573246496976896 "The price of milk would jump to $6.40 a gallon if U.S. dairy farms were deprived of access to immigrant workers, according to a 2015 report commissioned by the National Milk Producers Federation" that part sucks if it's true but I couldn't find that stat in the linked report, also the report didn't really distinguish between immigrants that are allowed to be here vs ones that are not --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886139644] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure.</quote> i think you may want to take a step back and think about how you ended up with your gut on one side from the start it's a pretty interesting experience like obviously reading between your lines you have a basic assumption that all people are leeches upon society</quote> All I have is an awareness of all the ways I've spent the government's money. Looking at the things I have access, to they cost a lot. It's not a BAD thing when people take out more than they put in. It's the entire point of our infrastructure, that people who can't be productive enough to meaningfully contribute to it can still, say, have a smart phone and internet and air conditioning and transportation. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer or engineer, but lawfully residing in the US makes it way easier to live comfortably than most places. I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question. <cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible.</quote> you'll notice that my response to your initial post was to clarify that some of those costs are to private businesses and not the government, if you please</quote> Sure, but it's not always to private businesses. My HIV medication has a government-sponsored copay help program. Or if someone gets in a crash with a government employee or something. edit: didn't see this <cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>Here's a source about Kansas in the meanwhile: 6/21/2017 TWITTER - Joy Reed (author) Kansans who voted for deportations & a wall discover that elections have consequences. Wait til they get what they asked for on healthcare. https://t.co/klQ0SVQFPa IN RESPONSE TO BUSINESSWEEK Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877573246496976896</quote> "The price of milk would jump to $6.40 a gallon if U.S. dairy farms were deprived of access to immigrant workers, according to a 2015 report commissioned by the National Milk Producers Federation" that part sucks if it's true but I couldn't find that stat in the linked report, also the report didn't really distinguish between immigrants that are allowed to be here vs ones that are not --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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